[Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims

Wed May 6 15:17:12 IST 2009

Dear chanchal,

I think you forgot to mention that modern chemistry has its roots in Arabia,
so does the understanding of modern geography especially for sailors from
which thales borrowed was of semetic origin.

since, you are close to hindutva vadis, kindly tell us why VHP leader ashok
singhal is mostly in america and uk -- what is his business there if as you
say that hindutva vadis are internalising their struggle here?

it is easier to get votes by fanning out faith-based issues but in that
process one ends up cheating their personal gods, if you know what i mean.
it is shame that you are accusing one whole community because some
criminals, some shrewd individuals on some innocent. if we go by how you are
describing these acts, then gujarat riots, kandhamal was planned by the
hindus and whole of hindu community is responsible for that. but we dont do
so because a large number of hindus do not want to be a part of these acts
-- they want to carry on with their daily lives, even if it is mundane. i
dont see your ideas being different from that of al-qaeda.

-anupam

On 5/6/09, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> What is wrong in Kamasutra... It is a Science of Sex... to be practiced
> during Grihastha Aashram....
> Sex is not a closed deal for Hindus... It is a natural science... and who
> will deny that the whole creation of the Universe lies on this very concept
> of Sex....
>
> Are Muslims born without sex... and is their own parental sexual positions
> different from the science of kamasutra....
> hindus are not bigotry...  muslims rape Hindu women by order of God and
> criticize Kamasutra...
> Tulsidas told - Bhikhari upwaas kare to use upwaas nahi kehate...
> Muslims talking about Kamasutra is hopeless... Because they are by order of
> God allowed to marry many and hold many...
>
> Do not talk of the maturity of Hinduism towards which Science is bound to
> move.... From where has this concept of 4.3 billion years of earth's age
> come... it is from Hinduism... if you do not believe Hindu book, read
> Akbarnama where author has said about Hindu calculation and mentioned about
> this.... he told it crazy but now science is saying the same thing...  the
> beginning of all scientific theories are now merging with Hinduism... which
> will be criticized by Religions... because these Religions want to throw
> away God..and do all crimes.. and force God to forgive them.. and make the
> sufferers further suffer....
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
> To: Sarai Reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:14:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
>
> [satire]
>
> clap clap clap clap
>
> thanks. what a balanced view you have written. that was very enlightening
> as
> hinduism is/out to be.
>
> because i had thought hinduism was the hari krishnas, kamasutras, ajantas,
> temple prostitution and naked fakirs. . in addition to the baniyas fleecing
> people and tribals dancing around fires. and who wants to wait for houris
> anyway. when you have the jantar mantar.
>
> i like saffron. we use it in cooking. and we have it when we return from
> bombing the americans. as you predicted rightly, hindus are next as youve
> gotten a taste. ie if you harrass the locals too much and we start getting
> complaints, we are coming from across the northwest as is the custom for a
> a
> few thousand years.  what makes u even think you can win or even hold out
> for one second.
>
> namaste
> stay safe
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 9:01 AM, chanchal malviya <
> chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Indian Muslims are those whose forefathers betrayed with their own base
> > foundation Hinduism - either out of fear or lust.
> > Indian Muslims are those who historically didn't play a major role in
> > Indian Independence, and rather took lead in Khilafat with Gandhi (the
> > apostole of peace) to massacre over 10,000 Hindus in the name of God...
> > Indian Muslims are those who established a thick line in 1947 that they
> > cannot live with Hindus who unfortunately happens to be their own
> ancestral
> > brothers...
> > India Muslims now have loosed their credibility of being a part of
> > Nationalist attitude by publicly denying to accept National Anthem,
> National
> > Song and denying Bharat as maata... when these things should have nothing
> to
> > take with Hindus... but now slogans like 'Bharat maata ki Jai', 'Jana
> gana
> > mana', 'vande maatram'... are all part of only Hindu culture...
> > Indian Muslims are now a partners of Terrorism, and by and large declared
> > Terrorism... most of their leaders shout publicly that every Muslim
> should
> > be a terrorist with some logical background that terrorism should be for
> > non-believers often purified through management language...
> > Indian Muslims or any Muslim in this world (barring exceptions - 1 to 2 %
> > of the population), has to re-establish their credibility that they are
> > humans and worshipers of humanity first before unknown, unseen God who
> > according to them hates, prepares fire of hell, prepared heaven with
> houris
> > and virgins, asks people to murder...
> >
> > WHO WILL SOLVE THIS IGNORANCE OF HATRED IN THE NAME OF GOD - ONLY
> HINDUS...
> > That is the reason Muslims have existed from over thousand years in
> India,
> > and Hindus and others have been eliminated from Islamic lands...
> > Historically proven, demography of today proves this...
> >
> > One should not enforce their own intolerance upon Hindus in the name of
> > Babri and Gujarat Riots... They must go back into 1000 years of History
> > which created Babri.. Kashmir.. and Godhra...  One must talk of CAUSE and
> > not EFFECT alone... The Effect on Hindus are much deeper than anything
> else
> > in this world...
> >
> > The well integrated four Varnas - popularly known as Aryas - were divided
> > and remains divided because of Invasion and Western Politics still ruling
> > this nation...
> > The ever free women of India were put under 'Ghunghat' for ever to hide
> > their face from the Islamic looters... Brahmins had to impose child
> marriage
> > among Hindus because their girls were picked away at an early age in the
> > name of 'Virgin' given by God to Islamic rapers... British took advantage
> of
> > this and teached the whole population that these are the raw culture of
> > Hinduism...
> >
> > Unfortunate, the same Best Scientists, Philosophers, Pschologists and all
> > failed to defeat Swami Vivekananda who put Hinduism on top of everything
> on
> > their land... Read him, read Hinduism from its scripture (and not from
> the
> > mouth of Dr. Zakir Naik)... and you will know that WORLD LIVES BECAUSE
> > HINDUISM IS ALIVE EVEN IN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY...
> >
> > A person respecting his parents is Hinduism, A person loyarl to his
> > Religous Guru is Hinduism, A person dedicated to his job is Hinduism, A
> > person marrying and leading a stable family is Hinduism... A person
> getting
> > spiritual in line with God is Hinduism...
> > You may change the books, induce impurity in the name of God in those
> > books... but the truth will ever remain... The world exists because of
> > Hinduism and the world will exist only as long as Hinduism is alive -
> > directly or indirectly....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> > To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> > Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:38:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
> >
> > Dear Kshmendra
> >
> > Who is an Indian Muslim?
> >
> > We need to answer this before we can answer your "...should they be
> > thinking about using the Islamic flag..."
> >
> > Javed
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > QUOTE:
> > >
> > > It also carried drawings of two white and black flags, the former being
> > the main flag of Holy Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him) and the latter
> > his military standard. Even now, black-turbaned TNSM members carry the
> small
> > white and black flags as they walk ahead of Sufi Mohammad. ...... UNQUOTE
> > >
> > > This quote is from an article on Maulana Sufi Mohammad written by
> > Rahimullah Yusufzai.
> > > http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=175825
> > >
> > > No green flag. No crescent and star on it.
> > >
> > > The green flag with the crescent and star on it which is used by Indian
> > Muslims has often caused misunderstandings.
> > >
> > > One recent example has been Simi Garewal talking about Pakistani Flags
> > being flown by Indian Muslims. She apologised later for having mistaken
> the
> > Islamic Flag of the Indian Muslims for the Pakistani Flag.
> > >
> > > The close resemblance between the 2 flags confused even Anupam
> > Chakravartty, who inspite of video coverage from Times Now showing it to
> be
> > a Pakistani Flag, insisted that what was flown in Assam with " sickle
> (sic)
> > and star on green background  is an islamic symbol"
> > > http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2009-April/018755.html
> > >
> > > In an earlier mail I had commented:
> > >
> > > """""" If this is factual, then the question arises for the Indian
> > Muslims that should they be thinking about using the Islamic Flag without
> > the Crescent and Star so that it does not appear to be close to being the
> > flag of Pakistan? """"""
> > > http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2008-December/017016.html
> > >
> > > Just thinking aloud
> > >
> > > Kshmendra
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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