[Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
A.K. Malik
akmalik45 at yahoo.com
Thu May 7 09:28:03 IST 2009
--- On Thu, 5/7/09, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian Muslims
> To: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com
> Cc: readers-list at sarai.net
> Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 9:21 AM
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/7/09, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of Indian
> Muslims
> > To: "chanchal malviya" <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 9:15 AM
> >
> > I tend to agree with Chanchal. During the partition
> > Gandhiji forced Hindus in Hindu dominated mohallas to
> stop
> > killing Muslims but no one ever dared to stop Muslims
> in
> > Muslim dominated mohallas to stop killings of Hindus.
> The
> > scars remain.
> > Even today everyone talks about Modi not stopping
> Godhra
> > killins but no one dares talk about killing of
> innocent
> > travellers in train at Godhra.
> > If you crticise Hindus for any action, you become
> secular.
> > I have yet to find a single Muslim who crticised the
> UP
> > Minister who offered 51 crores or so for killing...
> > We are a broad-minded society so we accept atrocites
> on us
> > being inflicted by any one to make us secular.
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of
> Indian
> > Muslims
> > > To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com,
> > "M Javed" <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 2:29 PM
> > > I am not copying the mail to you...
> > > It is through the network it is reaching you..
> and I
> > am not
> > > the modifier...
> > >
> > > And please... If you do not have the gut to
> accept
> > the
> > > Truth.. do not use words like Idiotic...
> > >
> > > I know who is fracturing India... You will know
> only
> > when
> > > sword will reach your throat... however, it will
> > hardly
> > > matter.. you have already changed your father
> > > (Dharma)...
> > >
> > > Why don't you give a fair trial of Gandhiji....
> > Gandhiji
> > > used to read Quran in Temples... But he never
> > committed the
> > > mistake of reading Gita in Masjids... why don't
> you
> > complete
> > > the work of Gandhiji and prove that I am
> dividing...
> > and
> > > that division don't pre-exist....
> > > Please do it once and then talk to me... and do
> not
> > talk to
> > > me what you never did...
> > > Go and live in Kashmir or area where Hindus are
> not
> > more
> > > than 10%.. and then talk to me....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> > > To: M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>;
> > > chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 1:21:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of
> Indian
> > > Muslims
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Chanchal
> > >
> > > If you think you are a good Indian or a good
> Hindu you
> > are
> > > totally mistaken. You are a disgrace to both.
> > >
> > > People like you are nothing but enemies of India
> who
> > by
> > > word and action do nothing but bring about
> divides in
> > India
> > > and fracture it.
> > >
> > > Please do not copy any of your idiotic mails to
> me.
> > >
> > > Kshmendra
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 5/6/09, chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: chanchal malviya <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of
> Indian
> > > Muslims
> > > To: "M Javed" <javedmasoo at gmail.com>,
> > > kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> > > Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009, 9:31 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Indian Muslims are those whose forefathers
> betrayed
> > with
> > > their own base foundation Hinduism - either out
> of
> > fear or
> > > lust.
> > > Indian Muslims are those who historically didn't
> play
> > a
> > > major role in Indian Independence, and rather
> took
> > lead in
> > > Khilafat with Gandhi (the apostole of peace) to
> > massacre
> > > over 10,000 Hindus in the name of God...
> > > Indian Muslims are those who established a thick
> line
> > in
> > > 1947 that they cannot live with Hindus who
> > unfortunately
> > > happens to be their own ancestral brothers...
> > > India Muslims now have loosed their credibility
> of
> > being a
> > > part of Nationalist attitude by publicly denying
> to
> > accept
> > > National Anthem, National Song and denying Bharat
> as
> > > maata... when these things should have nothing to
> take
> > with
> > > Hindus... but now slogans like 'Bharat maata ki
> Jai',
> > 'Jana
> > > gana mana', 'vande maatram'... are all part of
> only
> > Hindu
> > > culture...
> > > Indian Muslims are now a partners of Terrorism,
> and by
> > and
> > > large declared Terrorism... most of their
> leaders
> > shout
> > > publicly that every Muslim should be a terrorist
> with
> > some
> > > logical background that terrorism should be for
> > > non-believers often purified through management
> > language...
> > >
> > > Indian Muslims or any Muslim in this world
> (barring
> > > exceptions - 1 to 2 % of the population), has to
> > > re-establish their credibility that they are
> humans
> > and
> > > worshipers of humanity first before unknown,
> unseen
> > God who
> > > according to them hates, prepares fire of hell,
> > prepared
> > > heaven with houris and virgins, asks people to
> > > murder...
> > >
> > > WHO WILL SOLVE THIS IGNORANCE OF HATRED IN THE
> NAME OF
> > GOD
> > > - ONLY HINDUS... That is the reason Muslims have
> > existed
> > > from over thousand years in India, and Hindus
> and
> > others
> > > have been eliminated from Islamic lands...
> > > Historically proven, demography of today proves
> > this...
> > >
> > > One should not enforce their own intolerance
> upon
> > Hindus in
> > > the name of Babri and Gujarat Riots... They must
> go
> > back
> > > into 1000 years of History which created Babri..
> > Kashmir..
> > > and Godhra... One must talk of CAUSE and not
> EFFECT
> > > alone... The Effect on Hindus are much deeper
> than
> > anything
> > > else in this world...
> > >
> > > The well integrated four Varnas - popularly known
> as
> > Aryas
> > > - were divided and remains divided because of
> Invasion
> > and
> > > Western Politics still ruling this nation...
> > > The ever free women of India were put under
> 'Ghunghat'
> > for
> > > ever to hide their face from the Islamic
> looters...
> > Brahmins
> > > had to impose child marriage among Hindus
> because
> > their
> > > girls were picked away at an early age in the
> name of
> > > 'Virgin' given by God to Islamic rapers...
> British
> > took
> > > advantage of this and teached the whole
> population
> > that
> > > these are the raw culture of Hinduism...
> > >
> > > Unfortunate, the same Best Scientists,
> Philosophers,
> > > Pschologists and all failed to defeat Swami
> > Vivekananda who
> > > put Hinduism on top of everything on their
> land...
> > Read him,
> > > read Hinduism from its scripture (and not from
> the
> > mouth of
> > > Dr. Zakir Naik)... and you will know that WORLD
> LIVES
> > > BECAUSE HINDUISM IS ALIVE EVEN IN ISLAM AND
> > > CHRISTIANITY...
> > >
> > > A person respecting his parents is Hinduism, A
> person
> > > loyarl to his Religous Guru is Hinduism, A
> person
> > dedicated
> > > to his job is Hinduism, A person marrying and
> leading
> > a
> > > stable family is Hinduism... A person getting
> > spiritual in
> > > line with God is Hinduism...
> > > You may change the books, induce impurity in the
> name
> > of
> > > God in those books... but the truth will ever
> > remain... The
> > > world exists because of Hinduism and the world
> will
> > exist
> > > only as long as Hinduism is alive - directly or
> > > indirectly....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: M Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> > > To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> > > Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 5:38:01 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] The Islamic Flag of
> Indian
> > > Muslims
> > >
> > > Dear Kshmendra
> > >
> > > Who is an Indian Muslim?
> > >
> > > We need to answer this before we can answer your
> > "...should
> > > they be
> > > thinking about using the Islamic flag..."
> > >
> > > Javed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Kshmendra Kaul
> <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > QUOTE:
> > > >
> > > > It also carried drawings of two white and
> black
> > flags,
> > > the former being the main flag of Holy Prophet
> > Muhammad
> > > (Peace be Upon Him) and the latter his military
> > standard.
> > > Even now, black-turbaned TNSM members carry the
> small
> > white
> > > and black flags as they walk ahead of Sufi
> Mohammad.
> > ......
> > > UNQUOTE
> > > >
> > > > This quote is from an article on Maulana
> Sufi
> > Mohammad
> > > written by Rahimullah Yusufzai.
> > > > http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=175825
> > > >
> > > > No green flag. No crescent and star on it.
> > > >
> > > > The green flag with the crescent and star on
> it
> > which
> > > is used by Indian Muslims has often caused
> > > misunderstandings.
> > > >
> > > > One recent example has been Simi Garewal
> talking
> > about
> > > Pakistani Flags being flown by Indian Muslims.
> She
> > > apologised later for having mistaken the Islamic
> Flag
> > of the
> > > Indian Muslims for the Pakistani Flag.
> > > >
> > > > The close resemblance between the 2 flags
> > confused
> > > even Anupam Chakravartty, who inspite of video
> > coverage from
> > > Times Now showing it to be a Pakistani Flag,
> insisted
> > that
> > > what was flown in Assam with " sickle (sic) and
> star
> > on
> > > green background is an islamic symbol"
> > > > http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2009-April/018755.html
> > > >
> > > > In an earlier mail I had commented:
> > > >
> > > > """""" If this is factual, then the
> question
> > arises
> > > for the Indian Muslims that should they be
> thinking
> > about
> > > using the Islamic Flag without the Crescent and
> Star
> > so that
> > > it does not appear to be close to being the flag
> of
> > > Pakistan? """"""
> > > > http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2008-December/017016.html
> > > >
> > > > Just thinking aloud
> > > >
> > > > Kshmendra
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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