[Reader-list] Fw: Fw: siliguri

[subhrodip sengupta]

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Sent: Friday, 8 May, 2009 12:15:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: siliguri


Seems the last part I typed was in haste, please read, 'People of india want to fragment the Nation, in true spirit, India was not possible, nor Soviet Union, nor US not even Pakistan', When can we then dream of erasing cross-country borders? Not in times of relative peace, I suppose!
Well, there is according to me no 'real enemy'! Enimities are formed due to arising contradictions which place intersts of individuals at polar ends on issues. Sometimes one party single handedly starts an enemity as Shiv Sena, within the country. US was apparently India's bad-wisher, isn't that what enemy is, when it supplied arms to Pakistan or imposed Sanctions on India or after 24/11. Now they call it Strategic alliance! Who is real enemy? Well enemity is not that bad, for negative emotions are stronger than positive ones, and History has been formed by Fear, Distrust, Hatred, Lust, Deception, Greed etc. When did two lovers ever form a Nation? The key lies in identifying the root of conflict and trying to erradicate it, not necessarily through a (social)convergence, which can be stiffling at times, this may happen through a chaos as well!
Of now I'd think about modifying Police rules and old topic, or one of two reduce Army, at time not possible, and a more likely Repeal ARMS act to more tolerable extents. I think this can give more breathing space to Manufacturers as well as Mulayam Singh and the Like! As for Gorkhaland, indeed which does not share Mainstream economic Interests with Bengal excpet may be selling Cardigans in winter, nor ethnicity nor culture, the Gorkhaland formation is not bad! The culture and ethnicity and violence part, some of it is captured in the Video itself, and note that Siliguri being a plane, this kind a event was possible! I do not think that current waves will hold the demand away for long for the kind of repression and consequent feedback from these Gorkhas, all in all support the claim for such a state within India, apart from reservation and employment issues, and off course drain of tourism funds to industrial purpose, if some one could capture to a
 greater detail the suppression of the Issue, or why people are joining the movement, what for the Gorkha Economy, it will bw helpful. Seperate state at any rate is better than Spereate legally sanctioned Zone or separate ammends to Code of Civil Proceedure, at any cost can we not learn from our mistake at Granting kashmir a seperate Legal status? SOme people are making heavy investments, so they will never learn! 


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From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
To: reader-list at sarai.net
Cc: sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in
Sent: Thursday, 7 May, 2009 10:19:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fw: siliguri

who is the real enemy ?


On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:53 PM, subhrodip sengupta
<sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
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> Off course I'm yet to verify whether these people are from Gorkha regiment. They were wearing white shirts and not Uniform. There are members of off course the Gorkha Jana Mukti Morcha, a seperatist group, these people could be it's members, and this body of late has been using over-riding powers than the constitutional setup. But of using violent force I know not. The man injured was of Police and there is something to do with him in this hecckling. The crux of the matter is domination whether present or ex-army man or not is not the question. On the Voting eve I saw able bodied men with semi-automated weapons and black wiel over their heads so many of them you may call them Commando's, but to me any heavy display of arms in public is bad. In this sense I'd like to differ from many of my brothers who believe you and the nation is one, you and these fearful people should be in harmony, because I am a stake holder I have a spirit and society means not
>  Government and it's people. My concern is by giving power, one can not cure the spirit. Indeed two things I found funny:
> a> That people collectively as well as Individually, I'd draw from neo-classical ideology because individual comes to cost-bearing, can not help it, and collectiveness comes to benefit; have grown so submersive and unconscious of their rights and thus rights of their near and dear ones. When two male officers arrest a woman no-one intervenes. Who wants to be framed a terrorist, NOT MANY!
> b> These brave Commando's, with due respect at their valour,physique and skills, I saw them today directing the mob from a distance by sign language. They too are afraid to die! Inspite of having heavy weaponry!
> These guys who act as mere agents know the state means only a piece of terrirory sans it's people and thus licensed and immune, they proceed to vent their animal spirits.. This is what we call is maintaining spirits of army?
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>  Off course these are brave people, who are willing to lay their lives on their own interests, be it RAW or ISI both sohould be respected. Or not, there should be endless battle and Violence, and repress feelings of progress. May be individuals want to fragment India was not possible, nor Soviet, nor Pakistan nor US. Hatred is more powerful than harmony and progress, or is it because there is no material or natural backing, but barriers purpoted to aggravate violence?
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> To: Sarai Reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009 10:03:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] siliguri
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> ok.
> the title is :
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> Lathi Charge in Siliguri against Indian Gorkha Regiment by West Bengal
> Police*
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> how can the police beat up the Indian Gorkha Regiment ??*
> *isn't it more common the other way round. you cant mess with the army?*
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> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:23 PM, subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in
> > wrote:
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> > What else than the police seeking revenge, and using muscle power and human
> > right violation as tools to establish their supremacy!
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> > *From:* yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
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> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 May, 2009 4:05:25 PM
> > *Subject:* [Reader-list] siliguri
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> > so what is going on here?  i dont understand the title. best.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvaCr1lPD6k
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