[Reader-list] plight of the muslim women and appeasement

Wed May 20 10:11:22 IST 2009

Anupamji& Rakeshji,
            Please check up whether it is the trust which gives money or the Govt of Delhi. Even if I agree to what you say, it is no business of Govt machinery to distribute money to the students in the school through govt officials on behalf of Trust of a specific religion.Let the trust distribute money to anyone outside- who bothers then.It is the tender minds of kids who feel discrimination on the basis of religion.  Distracting a little -seen saying kids Papa aap SC/ST hote to kitna achha hota. It is a debateable issue and I agree benefits of reservations could be given to underprivileged for sometime based only on Caste because they had been discrminated for several years.Would you justify this:--My colleague at Joint Secy level in Govt got his sons admitted to Engineering and Medicine while a poor driver's son can't make it because he happens to be from a higher caste.Let us stop the reservations or appeasement to section of society who don't
 deserve the same.Since the Trust is Muslim so no one can criticize.What I read through and opine that had this been done for Hindu girls, there would have lots of secularists coming up to criticise.

I have yet to see a local sweeper's son making it to engineering because they are unable to move beyond 8th class.My only submission is that the benefits should accrue to people who really deserve the same irrespective of caste, creed or religion.
2. MP govt's scheme and there is a similar one of Delhi Govt( some scheme from UP as well ) which gives benefits to girl childern born in the respective states. Please Anupamji note that these schemes are not religion based, applicable to girl child of any religion but must be born in that state which is giving the benefits.There is no use looking at justifications,pliable officers in Govt can justify or unjustify anything.
If you have seen political appointments or selections one is not appointed just because he/she is intelligent and deserves but because they happen to be from a particular religion and you can be  called Secular amd mind you,You are only Secular if you appoint a person from the  miniority religion and not otherwise. 

(A.K.MALIK)

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Reader-list] plight of the muslim women and appeasement
> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 11:19 AM
> Perhaps Mr malik is not aware of the
> fact that plight of the muslim women
> among facing the gender discrimination is worst in india.
> it is true that
> Maulana Azad Trust has been Rs 500 to disburse Rs 300
> scholarship each to
> the muslim girls.
> 
> i dont see a reason why as you have cited that extra Rs 300
> given to a
> muslim girl, while free books and copies are given equally
> to other kids is
> a question of muslim appeasement. can you explain why have
> you used a word
> like appeasement to describe an initiative that helps most
> discriminated
> ones? how many hindu families are willing to say that dont
> give them Rs 300
> -- wouldn't rather say give us Rs 300 as well?
> 
> anupam
> On 5/18/09, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Malik jee
> >
> > If what you have stated is true (meaning that a Hindu
> poor can't get that
> > additional amount but a Muslim rich can), then I must
> say it is wrong;
> > whether it can be termed appeasement or not in my own
> definition I would
> > have to figure out. I believe that appeasement is
> pleasing for the sake of
> > pleasing. It could be appeasement if this amount is
> being provided but no
> > proper education is being given in these schools (I
> presume these are govt.
> > schools and not private schools. Please do correct me
> if I am wrong))
> >
> > However, I would be very happy if you can provide me
> with the following
> > details:
> >
> > A) Is this scheme known by some name, which I can read
> and get information
> > about in net? Can you provide me some links to this
> about which I can read
> > more into?
> >
> > B) Are there any reasons based on which this has been
> justified?
> >
> > C) Are there specific areas in which this is being
> implemented? Or are
> > there
> > some special areas where it is being implemented?
> >
> > Ultimately, each scheme must be checked in its context
> to find out whether
> > it indeed is a case of appeasement or it's a case of
> helping people. Hence,
> > I need to get more information about this.
> >
> > What's more, since the amount is being given to Muslim
> girls, one can
> > certainly understand that being a patriarchial
> society, with any
> > deterioration in law and order or with any chance for
> men to portray their
> > authority, women are the first victims and girls are
> therefore denied the
> > chance to be educated on this logic. May be the govt
> thought that since the
> > insecurity among Muslims is greater and therefore they
> may not send their
> > girls at all to be educated, this idea was hit upon.
> So again, one has to
> > look at the logic being given by the Delhi govt. for
> this.
> >
> > So one must look at the rationale of this. If it is
> meant for economic
> > reasons, then it could be appeasement. If it is meant
> for security reasons,
> > then it can't be appeasement; what can be done is to
> suggest alternatives
> > so
> > that all girls are given incentives to be taught. For
> example, if the NREGA
> > and the RTI can be brought, why not introduce the
> Ladli Laxmi Yojana that
> > Advani was talking about in his campaign. (Introduced
> in MP, as soon as a
> > girl is born, a bank account is opened in her name and
> a certain amount is
> > added monthly in her account. At the age of 18, this
> money sums up to Rs.
> > 1,00,000/- and the girl can take it out. This can be
> introduced for BPL
> > families or even APL families upto a certain income
> limit.)
> >
> > But as I said, if what you say is true, yes, it can be
> a case of
> > appeasement, if the actual education being provided is
> useless and the only
> > benefit for Muslims is to get Rs. 300/-.
> >
> > Also one more thing. Please see the reasons and
> rationale for doing things;
> > don't construe each and every act as act of
> appeasement.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Rakesh
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