[Reader-list] The Hindu plight!

Vedavati Jogi vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com
Fri May 22 11:34:41 IST 2009 

i don't have any muslim trauma 
i am not against muslims 
but i am definitely against these pseudo seculars 
 
vedavati
 

--- On Thu, 21/5/09, subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in> wrote:


From: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
Subject: [Reader-list] The Hindu plight!
To: "Readers list Yousuf Sarai." <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 6:24 PM


Dear Rakeshji,
              I have a bad hait of interruption. If Vedavatiji has some Muslim trauma, do you have a Hindu trauma? Nay religious trauma? Is Bin Laden or Sri Ram Sene Chief religious? How many Hindus or Muslims support them?
Do you not see the potent idea of community? In lesser developed world, communities are closed, vWerifyable and strong. I do not like closed, for any carnal value. But this idea of being something else than nobody. In a society, most people do not hold high stature, the 'high' says it all, they can not pocket Beurocrats. Lousy, weak and slow they move on! To them a community is precious. For information, support a community is precious, for believers Faith is precious. Many Hindus like me have sidelined seperatists. I have seen muslims doing so. A religion can bring close only those who believe or trust it! We are not seperatists, and we do not believe in either mosque, Akali Takht or Temple raaj! Isn't all this enough? Now can we be left to our privacy and build a community, around temple, around social service? You know bringing everything under one regime appeals to only the rulers and paid soldiers! Many of these peple at ground level have varied
emotions and thoughts attached to our place of worship not on religious seggregationary lines, and if we do not know our verses well not certainly on idealogies. Not Saffron millatants, this is just one community, a strong community which we depend upon! Let us assoscite. We do not nowadays even attack aethists,let us survive!It would not attack your regime,so no need to overstrech secularism! By the way if Pak collapses, & we get friendly with most of our neighbours, Nation Chauvinism turned into itself will suffocate masses. Indeed we are Indians, and Hindu or Muslim or Christian or Satan. Unless we get into each other, doesn't Nationality and religion imply differrrent attributes, limited to extent. Or do we do sacrreligious things in the name of the Nation, like things we have heard about the BSF in bangladesh border? Conflict arises when irrationality and thus incompatibilty develops somewhere, in todays world where is it? There lies the answer!


Regards,
Subhrodip.



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From: Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
To: subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co.in>
Cc: Readers list Yousuf Sarai. <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Thursday, 21 May, 2009 1:13:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast


Rakesh jee, 
   it is not the fear that is at work, but sad feeling that the hindu is divided lot, unable to even defend himself/herself if fanatism takes over by any other follower of faith.I surely think that you have not seen the effect of the such in places where the "minorities" are not even majority, but are in sufficient in numbers like Bhatkal in Karnataka, Kannur, Mallapuram in Kerala, where the percentage of minority is not 17 % but around 40 %, divided hindu society is in fear as divided hindu sees a theeya being attacked or a brahmin being attacked or a nair being attacked, not a hindu being attacked, rule of laws also take no steps as the police is scared to go into such ghettos as false cases of molestation, harassment of minority get immediate attention of all by "secular" media.

   When rule of laws is applied without fear or favour, none need to be having fear of united communities of faith, as they only make the society stronger, but the strength if used for mischief and avoidance of the course and process of  laws , it is indeed sad. Society as such does not have faith in revenge, avenging the wrongsfor such acts of violence only breeds more violence and more revenge and misery, thus society lives in hope for better tomorrow, in good system of governance, but when judicial process is delayed,  justice is taken over by mobs to deliver the justice as such mobs feel fit, which is unacceptable in civil society. 

Regards,

Rajen.


On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM, subhrodip sengupta <sub_sengupta at yahoo.co..in> wrote:

Is the strong unity of sikhs and Muslims the reason for distrust? Communal behaviour can at times be hazardous and has to be permiable to outside for more trust(crimes against women or people are less reported or recognised, leave alone approach outside world), there are good aspects of brother feelings. This is visible if there is positive and humane treatment meeted out to everybody. As regards suspicion many classes of Hindus too stay together and some used to claim at a certain peiod of time that they were not Hindus at all! Let us chalk a long list of such Marwaris, and other sects which give preference to own clan, Biharis, Baniyas, Brmhins etc and then the components and limits of exclusion. It would be fun, and then we can make more precise attacks, though generalised and made of suspicion alone, but more effective! They raped our sisters. We raped theirs as well!




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From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
To: Vedavati Jogi <vedavati_jogi at yahoo.com>
Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
Sent: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009 10:36:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Election Forecast

Dear Vedavati

You are already so scared of Muslims....I wonder what your plight would be
if you were passing through the old areas of any city which are generally
Muslim dominated. If you are already so afraid of Muslims (who are also
Indians), I sometimes feel what would a 'nationalist' do for the country if
sent to the border. Probably you would run away seeing Pakistani soldiers as
they too would be mainly Muslims.

This mistrust is not going to help you sir, nor is it going to help India,
even from the nationalist perspective. Therefore, for India's sake (if not
yours), get rid of this disease called mistrust.

Get well soon.

Regards

Rakesh
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