[Reader-list] Massacres - Part 3- ..present has a corollary in the past ..

Sun May 31 18:12:26 IST 2009

Dear LA

already written words are written again to write anything, history or
a poem or a novel, or psychology .
 and so  there is some deep subjectivity which plays a vital role
while we feel handling one category at one time, but i guess that is
not so. ..... t

there is always some imaginative fantasy in history books as well,
that is perhaps, because language has the power to fools us, although
unwittingly often but it naturally distorts the  facts.  It is not
surprising that we have twisted sense of the other, and about
ourselves. the reality will be always a mirage....

reading history from paintings and other sculptures is also full of
loopholes, but we are always free to interpret the written word or any
alternative to that. I guess the whole exercise is meant to sensitize
the mind, to emancipate the person who is involved in the passion of
reading history, but unfortunately, we have always an axe to grind

Who are these Islamistis who have come to Kashmir. We forget that
Islam was already a living tradition in the neighboring areas
/countires for more than 500 years when it entered Kashmir.  As we
know all our history is full of wars, and oppressive regimes that
followed each war. Is it not a fact that the present culture which we
celebrate is full of the horror stories of that past, Even in myth we
have nothing but wars.  Take Ramayana or Mahabharata,  And to believe
that Buddhist monks were peaceful while dealing with freshly arrived
Vaishnavites is always a fantasy. Late Moti Lal Saqi, the learned
scholar told me once that these Monks used to kill the outsiders
scholars if they failed in the game of discourse...

it is perhaps, our recent history that we are too concerned
with....about kashmir or anything that is related to our respective
pasts.?

But how many times do you think we remember our own near and dear dead
ones  in a calendar year ?

James Joyce in Ullysses ; The problem of Hamlet is his personal.

with love
is

.

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Lalit Ambardar
<lalitambardar at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> True, under normal circumstances it doesn’t make any sense to recall the horrors of the past. Kashmiri Hindu Pandits had suffered persecution for centuries. Yet they made a choice in 1947 when they choose to bury the past & responded with great fervour to the call of ‘Naya Kashmir’ ( New Kashmir) & stood firmly against the onslaught of the Pakistan sponsored jihadis under the banner ‘hamlavar khabardar, hum Kashmiri hain tayyar’ ( oh invader, beware , we Kashmiris are prepared) .It was then the Mahatma saw a ray of hope in Kashmir.
>
> But now when even the committed Islamists, not to talk of the so called liberal /secular mind set, are allowed to get away with the claim that Kashmir continues to be a ‘cradle of secularism’ when the minority Hindu Pandits are living as refugees in their own country ever since their ethnic cleansing in the valley two decades ago at the hands of the pan Islamists seeking secession from India, the present finds a natural corollary in the past.
> Regards all
> LA
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>> From: shuddha at sarai.net
>> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:31:18 +0530
>> To: pawan.durani at gmail.com
>> CC: reader-list at sarai.net
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Massacres - Part 3
>>
>> Pawan,
>>
>> For every one instance of assaults on Hindus by Muslims that you
>> post, someone else may be able to find one, two, three, four
>> instances of assaults on Muslims by Hindus. And none would be false,
>> neither your claims, nor theirs. And then you would find more, and
>> then they would find more, and life on this list would continue to
>> spiral on to a vulgar exhibitionism of everybody's agony and mutual
>> hatred. We've been down that road before. Who, after all, has not had
>> a hard time in the twentieth century? Which identity cannot claim for
>> itself the mantle of the victim?
>>
>> All this would only demonstrate what we know only too well, that
>> human beings are vile, that religions (all religions, without
>> exception, and modern ideologies, offer rationalizations for
>> gratuitous acts of violence). So, what does that achieve ? I think
>> nothing.
>>
>> Can we move on from this, and explore things that are new, that are
>> surprising, that are discoveries, that extend our appreciation of our
>> histories instead of trading the same monotonous charges, can we
>> sometimes locate the occasional highlights that still continue to
>> shine in the fragile house of the human spirit?
>>
>> Or must we remain forever trapped in this cycle of proving who had a
>> worse twentieth century than whom? Speaking for myself, I have better
>> things to do than be caught being a spectator to this kind of sado-
>> masochism of the spirit. I hope I am not the only one who feels this
>> way.
>>
>> Shuddha
>>
>> On 27-May-09, at 10:07 AM, Pawan Durani wrote:
>>
>> > Sanity and Madness on 13th July, 1931
>> >
>> > The communal pogrom against Kashmiri Hindus and Khatri traders was a
>> > pre-planned move by the leaders of 13th July agitation and their
>> > sponsors - the British Political Department.
>> >
>> > Hindus became victims of the mad frenzy in Vicharnag, Maharajganj,
>> > Khankah Mohalla, in Srinagar city and at Shopian and Anantnag towns.
>> >
>> > The events which took place in Khankah mohalla reveal an interesting
>> > pattern. While the members of the majority community displayed strong
>> > communal passions when they came to attack Pandits, the immediate
>> > neighbours played a positive role.
>> >
>> > Five Pandit families lived in Khankah mohalla, opposite the Kali
>> > Shrine. These families included three families of Kouls - Ram Nath,
>> > Nilakanth and Rughnath. They were all cousins. The other two families
>> > - Niranjan Nath Wali and Dina Nath Wali lived jointly.
>> >
>> > Soon after looting Khatri shops in Maharajgunj the big mob turned to
>> > Khankah Mohalla to attack Kashmiri Hindus. The neighbours of the
>> > Pandit families - Gh. Mohammad Qalinbaf and Ahad Sakka (water carrier)
>> > rose to the occasion and decided not to betray their neighbours with
>> > whom they had been living through generations. At the suggestion of
>> > these neighbours the Kouls hid themselves in attic storey (Brer Kani)
>> > of the house. Sakka had asked Kouls to throw some household refuse on
>> > the verandah and keep windows and doors open to mislead the rioters.
>> > The Pandits, on hearing about the atrocities in other parts of the
>> > city were gripped with fear. Ram Nath recalls, "we tied our womenfolk
>> > with rope lest they escape out of fear. We had also decided to poison
>> > them to death in case an eventuality of kidnapping/molestation arose".
>> >
>> > When looters came, the families of Ahad Sakka and Qalinbaff told them
>> > that Pandits fled from their home on learning that the mob was on way
>> > to attack them. To keep rioters in good humour, Sakka and Qalinbaff
>> > mockingly abused Pandits and succeeded in turning the mob away. The
>> > mob stood for 25-30 minutes at Kaul's house.
>> >
>> > Neighbours of Walis also tried to save Walis but the mob had its way.
>> > Niranjan Nath Wali was an affluent person. Some people in the mob owed
>> > him money. They succeeded in instigating the frenzied mob to attack
>> > Niranjan and loot his property.
>> >
>> > After the looters left, Kouls shifted to the house of Ahad Sakka and
>> > stayed there for three days. This was the fortnight when Hindus
>> > observe shraddas of their departed near and dear ones. Members of the
>> > Koul family would stealthily during the night go to their home,
>> > prepare food and come back. At Sakka's home they took only pears and
>> > water.
>> >
>> > 3 days later Kouls shifted to Chinkral mohalla first and later to
>> > Sathu Barbarshah where Ramnath's aunt lived. Nilakanth Koul served in
>> > Police Department.
>> >
>> > He shifted his family to police lines. Such was the terror that
>> > Ramnath's family was brought back to Chinkral Mohalla in a special
>> > police van, nicknamed by locals as 'Rat Trap'. The Kouls never went
>> > back to live in the Mohalla where they had lived for centuries. They
>> > sold their house to Gh. Mohammad Qalinbaf in 1932. This in itself is
>> > an indicator of the terror created by the events of 13th July. Kashmir
>> > Sentinel
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