[Reader-list] Yasin Malik Ko Gusa Kyoun Aatta Hai

[taraprakash]

Hello Inder.
For you the personal and political aspects of the problem may intersect at 
the point when brittishers sold the land to maharaja, for some others it 
begins with the concept of ownership of property. When the Man decided X 
part as the land of the self and Y part as the land of the other. That 
perhaps was the beginning of colonialism. This is when Nature started losing 
to Culture and universal to personal. Our cousins/leaders/rulers seem to 
have always embraced the personal when in the advantageous situations, and 
universal in less favorable times.
You ask what is law. I believe you know that law is the instrument of 
offering and justifying benefits to the people in power at a given time.

I do sympathize with you again but I have no sympathies for Mr. Malik nor 
with his cause. Forgive my cynicism in saying that India never became free, 
nor shall Kashmir ever be. Kashmiri rich may be able to buy the land from 
the Indian rich, only thing that apparently will change is who provides for 
the chains. Human memory has become very short, 10, or may be 50 years, from 
now I will have forgotten about your loss of your land. If at that time I 
meet your cousin in a dismal situation, as his cousin sold "his" land, I 
might again be sympathetic. That will look like "beginning of political," 
but I don't think it should becalled beginning.

Regards


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Inder Salim" <indersalim at gmail.com>
To: "taraprakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com>
Cc: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Yasin Malik Ko Gusa Kyoun Aatta Hai


Thanks dear Taraprakash for this wonderful and  profound reflection on
 ' reality out there ' besides anger of Yasin which is only Kashmir
specific.

Thanks for writing  "I am sorry for your plight  inder "  and i feel
connected. That is how we human beings connect each other. But, i know
few who commented on my personal land dispute, that it is between you
and my cousin,  and so they have nothing to comment, which means that
they maintain relationship with the my cousin ,  and   with me as
well.

But there are some who bluntly said to my cousin that u have done
something grossly unethical.

that is the layer one, but if we dont recongnize the dispute as
significant in the first place then the benefit of doubt goes to the
opressor, not only in my personal case, but  it applies to all the
conflicts, including Kashmir. So, that then comes about what is Law?

To maintain a two square piece of land and call is our own is  not '
baniyagree' but something very basic in the present situation. and
even in the past.

if not, then do we need to re-define 'space' as and when we debate
social relationship in any given system. or we know what we own at our
personal level and also at national level, and also at world level.
The poet obviously own the entire cosmos, but s/he simultaneously uses
the sounds which are too earthy and have social values, withou which
the meaning of cosmos is lost even.  I should see the poet protesting
about the injustices committed by  those landlords who rendered
millions of people homless, and landless . The suffering beging from
indifference of this violence. Perhaps, these greedy cousins create
insecurities amongst masses, which might be the reason of wars even.

True, i am not the exception to land dispute, but to feel  'sorry'
about ones plight is perhaps the
begining of the political. To feel sorry for someone being raped or
humilated or killed is also a very basic human emotion, which is not
far for depriviping somebody from basic rights.

that is a true human emotion which i understand. The world of
appearances is not a shallow one, but deeper and profound at the same
time. True that metaphysical dimensions of reality are merged with
this wordly one. but can we seperate the two, since we are almost lost
in this maze of our  respective beings on this earth as social
animals, which is full of contradtions. i agree that there is
suffering and we are generally ' sorry ' for that. But that is much
better than indiffernce.

And so, in the bitter reality of ours, we indeed feel that cousin
Yasin and cousin Manmohan singh , both you and me, and all the cousins
can sell each others lands without permission. Ah, what at practical
eye to look at things.

So, then Britishers who sold the land to a maharaja without the
permission of J&K people were perhaps doing what was norm for rulers
to do. But what if the same becomes political now?

hope i was able to convey

regards
love
is



On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:41 PM, taraprakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cousin Yasin Malik is as likely to sell my land without my permission as
> cousin Manmohan Singh is. The latter is a distant cousin so my protest is
> likely to be louder and more vociferous if the latter sells my land. In 
> that
> case scenario my closer cousin is also likely to join me in demonstrating
> anger. He didn't have personally to lose, but he lost the opportunity to
> gain. I am sorry for your plight Inder, but what happened is not really
> unusual; the problem is not exclusive for you or for the "valley". You, 
> Mr.
> Malik and Mr. Thakuray are all justified in demonstrating their anger.
>
> Anger is a natural human emotion, it has to find its way in to you, if
> people don't have an issue, they can create one. If we don't lose our 
> land,
> we lose our identity. Did you see a recent anger on an old song 
> demonstrated
> by an organization that seems to have run out of issues? I wish people 
> were
> as angry about child labour, corruption, discrimination on the basis of
> wealth, or lack thereof. Some fatvas, some trishools, some anger, to 
> rectify
> these problems are so much needed.
>
> As about the distant and close cousins they often happen to be the rulers 
> of
> our destiny:
>
> Kya afrangi, kya tatari
> Aankh bachi aur barchi mari
> Kab tak janta ki bechani
> Kab tak janta ki bezari
> Kab tak sarmaye ke dhandhe
> Kab tak ye saramayadari?
>
> Badal bijali rain andhiyari
> Dukh ki mari parja sari
> Bacche burhe sab dukhiya hain
> Dukhiya nar hai dukhya nari
> Basti basti loot machi hai
> Sab baniye hain sab vyapari.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Inder Salim" <indersalim at gmail.com>
> To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:04 AM
> Subject: [Reader-list] Yasin Malik Ko Gusa Kyoun Aatta Hai
>
>
>> Yasin Malik ko gusa kyoun aata hai?
>>
>> Recently, i managed a ' Biradari meeting ' (civil society meeting )
>> in Jammu to settle my personal land dispute with my Ist cousin, who
>> sold my ancestral property ( home ) clendestinely in Kashmir. My
>> counsin, being too elderly, started with things alien to the core
>> dispute. Some personal attacks and lies which made me angry, and i
>> shouted in the middle of his opening presentation, which perhaps
>> ruined the chances of a just settlement. The case is still in the High
>> court, but 'out of court' settlement is difficult to arrive , because
>> he is now the beneficiary of our decadent' civil' legal procedures,
>> and even if settled in my favour, he has really very little to lose,
>> except to part away with the 1/2 share which is already mine. And why
>> he should he honour the ' biradari' , money after all matters.
>>
>> I regret that the meeting failed, not because i lost my cool, but
>> that i was optimistic about powers of ' biradiri'. Now, i should
>> either forget my rights, or throw stones at him. The pain in the ass
>> is that i cant forget my rights, and neither i can throw stones...
>>
>> only diplomats, lawayers, judges and other such high profile ranks are
>> trained to mask their emotions. Common man , often speak what they
>> feel is true, even loudly. Because, we live in the mundane reality of
>> our reality, which looks existential from most of the angles. And the
>> reality is contaminated, both literally and metaphorically.
>>
>> unfortunately the trend is diplomatically speading to other circles as
>> well, and the worst is that this so called cool mannerism falls in
>> the catagory of non-violence, and ah, the rest is violence!
>> Creative people, i guess, ought to deal with violence creatively.
>> Indeed, violence creates violence, and so catogorized, but who two
>> people do live in peace ? It is not a black and white game.
>>
>> Burning British garments was Gandhi's creative political move, which
>> has nothing to do with Violence or non-violence. Perhaps, Jinnah was
>> less creative and could not think beyond his master idea: Pakistan.
>> Some sense of humour could have changed the destiny of millions in
>> 1947, but alas.
>>
>> Given the fact that people can be defined beyond this violence
>> non-violence binary, which might give us the idea why we beleive in
>> civil societies, and for what, if not to undersand the anger of a
>> community or even an individual. To say, that a clean shaven politican
>> X is non-violent in comparison to a militant named Y is again our own
>> limitation to enter the maze of our society. Any society is
>> intrinsically made up of a mosaic of different realites, violence and
>> non-violence are just two colours in it.
>>
>> Stragely enough, we human beings proliferate on earth by being so
>> violent to each other in the first place, and simultaneously to the
>> nautre as well, and yet we keep on talking about the de-merits of
>> non-violence. Quite ironica, and if we think only about the explicit
>> forms of non-violence we are again doing some violence to the subject.
>> Non-violence is one of most profound subjects, because it often
>> begins with that ' know they self' thing, and then the other. And do
>> we have a formula to manifest ' the self' ?
>>
>> Since Mahabarata, we have zillions of cases related to land dispute,
>> and millions pending in our courts for the same reason. The violence
>> erupts from that sense of not being to own what our given complex
>> beings desire. It is true that we dont know what we actualy want, and
>> yet we have a reason to pick up a fight for protecting what we feel we
>> possess.
>>
>> Here, i may start writing on why Yasin Malik expressed anger about
>> 'Kashmir issue' in a recent ' civil' meeting at Delhi's Teen Murti.
>> But that is again a repetition of what we already know......given the
>> fact that 'Kahsmir issue' is now thoroughly internalized in the valley
>> minds; they feel it is personal. The violence of ' the past' has
>> perhaps made it happen like that.
>>
>>
>> with love
>> is
>>
>>
>>
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