[Reader-list] In Valley, gunmen take to moral policing: ‘enforce hijab in college’

A.K. Malik akmalik45 at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 1 21:13:50 IST 2009 

Well Sir, in case these were military or paramilitary unit persons,  Mehbooba would have created a ruckus in the State.
Regards,

(A.K.MALIK)


--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Wali Arifi <waliarifi3 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Wali Arifi <waliarifi3 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] In Valley, gunmen take to moral policing: ‘enforce hijab in college’
> To: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 3:59 PM
> Dear all,
> 
> 
> 
> The Indian Express report just mentions “gunmen” in the
> story. And gunmen in
> Kashmir mean anybody holding a gun --- from state or
> non-state. It’s
> appalling the champions of e-activism just pounce on
> anything that comes
> their way, without even scrutinizing the reported facts.
> 
> 
> 
> How does Indian Express story only mean that militants have
> done it? Why
> can’t be it army? Any paramilitary unit, or for that
> matter the police?
> After all, they are also ‘gunmen’!
> 
> 
> 
> The point is when it comes to Kashmir everybody tends to
> stick to the
> statist position and our e-warriors have mastered this art
> of twisting
> semi-facts into suitable arguments to their fixated
> positions.
> 
> 
> 
> This incident, as reported by the principal, happens not
> more than two
> kilometers from the nearest massive army camp. Police
> categorically rule out
> any possibility of presence of armed six or seven militants
> in the area
> where incident occurred. They say there are operational
> hazards for
> militants to carry out such an action in the area as it has
> all the
> possibility of “rendering huge sacrifice (in the form of
> lives) for
> achieving a small goal (of enforcing dress code!).” The
> police officials say
> the action defies logic, particularly in the current
> scenario when militants
> are constantly on run and also have tremendously polished
> their operational
> capabilities. They say there has been almost no sighting of
> more than three
> militants in a group for last many years now for multiple
> reasons.
> 
> 
> 
> So who are these ‘gunmen’? Either the college principal
> is misleading or
> they are gunmen from some state agency?
> 
> 
> 
> Kashmir has witnessed strange incidents related to morality
> post Shopian
> rape and murder of two young women. In many strange
> incidents, which the
> Indian mainstream press has conveniently ignored to report,
> the Mualvis and
> respected elders in various areas have been humiliated and
> thrashed by
> strange-looking gunmen. These incidents have particularly
> occurred in those
> country side areas where anti-India protests have been more
> intense.
> 
> 
> 
> There have been concerted efforts to paint people in
> Kashmir as
> "fundamentalists out there to malign" the central armed
> forces in whatever
> they do. The fact is that many journalists who live on
> "information" fed to
> them by the intelligence establishment have tried this even
> in Shopian in an
> attempt to neutralize embarrassment to the state.
> 
> 
> 
> What is most appalling about this skewed and motivated
> e-activism in the
> name of journalism is that the law that the state employs
> to violate a
> people are never even commented upon let alone scrutinized.
> Media reportage
> alone about a place like Kashmir should never be allowed to
> form opinions
> and inform positions on disputed political entities. It is
> good to know the
> ground than to exist in an orbit tied to a statist or
> nationalist string,
> far removed from the center of gravity.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Wali
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:07 PM, rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Dear All,shuddha,
> >
> > I have never ever said that their havent been the
> Sufi's of highest order
> > in
> > Kashmir though I always have had my love for those who
> were born in Kashmir
> > rather than the ones who came from elsewhere,Iran
> included.
> > If a link to that needs to be provided I shall be glad
> to provide that as a
> > support of my statement.
> > But as far as spread of Islam is concerned I firmly
> maintain that Islam was
> > spread in Kashmir through forcible means.Incidentally
> I am these days
> > translating a Persian text called Tohfatul Ahbab by
> Shmasdin Araqi and it

> > records with great pride how the so called sufi
> forcibly put an end to
> > "infidel practices" like dance,festivities,singing and
> wine making.
> > Here i how it is recorded
> >
> >
> > *“He baton charged the dancing amd singing women,the
> musicians and the
> > drumbeaters till they ran away.Wine and liquor
> assemblies had been set up
> > around and he closed them down.Pitchers of wine were
> broken and in this way
> > the black customs of the infidels were put an end
> to.All this was done on
> > the day of the Spring Festival.The festivities were
> taking place at the
> > foothills of the Hari Parbat.On the following day he
> ascended the  heights
> > of Koh-i-Maran(Hari Parbat).Together all of them
> destroyed even the
> > minutest
> > remains of the idol house and scattered even the bits
> of the idols.”*
> > So Shuddha while I have great regard and respect for
> ShamS Faqir,ahmed
> > Batwari,Rahim saeb,Ahmed Dar,swoche kral, Ahad azad
> saeb,Wahab khar,Shah
> > Gafoor ,Shah Kalandar,Samad Mir,Santosh and my Guru
> Ayub Betab and many
> > such
> > real great sufis I cannot by any means draw myself to
> accept what is not
> > truth and truth that I know or have read from original
> texts myself
> > thankfully.
> > So let us stay in the realm of reality and accept
> truth as it is.
> > With that hopefuly we can end this discussion
> >
> > I say to you
> >
> > Chalo ab shiddate narazgee mehdood karte hain
> > chalo aut bhi aao,chalo main maan jaata hoon.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Rashneek
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> <shuddha at sarai.net
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > > I did not find the names of Sikandar Butshikan
> and Syed Hamadani in the
> > > sentence from my posting quoted so kindly by
> Rashneek Kher in support of
> > his
> > > argument.
> > >
> > > "It is necessary to remember that Kashmir is a
> part of South Asia where
> > the
> > > rise of Islam
> > >
> > > *did not accompany a military invasion, but
> occurred largely due to the
> > > example set by missionaries and religious
> divines."*
> > >
> > >
> > > If anyone does find them I would be grateful if
> they could help me locate
> > > them.
> > > Nor do i find it necessary to digress too far in
> pointing out that the
> > > meaning of the word 'divines' as used here
> (indicating religious adepts)
> > is
> > > quite different from the sense of anything being
> 'divinely ordained' (or
> > > commanded by god). Whosoever should wish to
> educate themselves on the
> > > semantic distinction between these two instances
> of usage could consult a
> > > standard dictionary of the English language. But
> let us leave that aside
> > for
> > > now.
> > >
> > > I find Rashneek's second assertion that 'even a
> kid in Kashmir' would
> > know
> > > that the process of bringing Islam to Kashmir was
> spearheaded by Sikandar
> > > 'Butshikan' and Syed Hamadani entertaining. And
> this is where the meat of
> > > his contention lies.
> > >
> > > Because, 'every kid' in Kashmir, and a few adults
> elsewhere, would also
> > > know that these two names were not the only ones
> on whose backs Islam
> > came
> > > to Kashmir. Islam came to Kashmir from diverse
> sources, and if we do not
> > > want to dissimulate, we must remember that some
> of these sources were
> > > different from, and contrary to those represented
> by Sikandar 'Butshikan'
> > > and even, Syed Hamadani. Some of these strains
> were distinctly heterodox,
> > > for instance, Sheikh Yaqub of the Kubrawi order,
> also credited with the
> > > spread of Islam in Kashmir, was often disparaged
> as a 'but-parast' (and
> > idol
> > > lover) and he in fact challenged the ulema of his
> time to find fault with
> > > this finding truth in the altars of icons. The
> history of Islam in
> > Kashmir,
> > > as 'every child' knows, is a testament to its
> doctrinal diversity.
> > >
> > > How else do we account for figures like Bulbul
> Shah (who is said to have
> > > carried out the first conversions) Sheikh
> Nooruddin Wali (or Nund Rishi -
> > of
> > > the entirely Kashmiri indigenous sufi order of
> the 'Rishis').  Apart from
> > > the inflence of the entirely local 'Rishi' order,
> the rise of early Islam
> > in
> > > Kashmir was marked by the influences of the
> Nakshbandi, Suhrawardy, and
> > > heterodox Qadiri and Kubrawi orders, besides
> several different strains of
> > > Shia Islam, and of course the presence of
> canonical, orthodox Sunni
> > Islam.
> > > To say that this variety of beliefs and practices
> amounted to one thing
> > is
> > > to be totally oblivious to the enormous variety
> in the cultural and
> > > religious landscape of early Islam in Kashmir
> > >
> > > Here, for instance is one of Nooruddin Wali/Nund
> Rishi's 'vaks'/
> > > utterances. Incidentally, Nooruddin is
> affectionately referred to as the
> > > 'Alamdar-e-Kashmir' or the 'standard bearer'.
> This is what he has to say.
> > >
> > > *"We belong to the same parents.
> > > Then why this difference?
> > > Let Hindus and Muslims(together)
> > > Worship God alone.
> > > We came to this world like partners.
> > > We should have shared our joys
> > > and sorrows together."
> > > ***
> > >
> > > This was written in the explicit context of the
> persecution of non
> > muslims
> > > and dissenting muslims that Sheikh Nooruddin was
> witness to in the reign
> > of
> > > Sultan Sikandar and some of his immediate
> successors. This clearly
> > > demonstrates that there were competing strains of
> tolerance and
> > intolerance
> > > within Islam in Kashmir. This is normal, it
> happens in the history of
> > every
> > > religious tradition in the world. To claim that
> intolerance alone marks
> > the
> > > history of any religious tradition, anywhere, is
> to pander to prejudice.
> > >
> > > The trouble is, I think that someone like
> Rashneek knows exactly what I
> > am
> > > talking about. He is not, in my opinion, unlike
> many others, a hysterical
> > > bigot. He knows that the history of Islam in
> Kashmir is not marked by
> > hatred
> > > of other ways of life or intolerance alone, but,
> and this is what is most
> > > disturbing, he still chooses to present a
> one-sided picture to score a
> > cheap
> > > polemical point. The knowing dissimulator, in my
> opinion. is far more
> > > disturbing than the ignorant bigot.
> > >
> > > best
> > >
> > > Shuddha
> > >
> > > On 31-Aug-09, at 9:40 AM, rashneek kher wrote:
> > >
> > >  dear all,
> > >
> > > i just hope Shudda's gives the right
> links,however i dont think even this
> > > forum can teach him that,otherwise he would have
> learnt it by now
> > >
> > > https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2007-November/011033.html
> > >
> > > I will not let the readers have the trouble of
> clicking the link.Here is
> > > what our friend Shuddha writes.
> > >
> > > *"It is necessary to remember that Kashmir is a
> part of South Asia where
> > > the rise of Islam
> > > did not accompany a military invasion, but
> occurred largely due to the
> > > example set by missionaries and religious
> divines."*
> > >
> > > and who were these people who spearheaded the
> conversion of Kashmir or
> >  let
> > > us say "rise of islam"(even a kid in Kashmir will
> us these two
> > > names-Butshikan and Syed hamdani),and what were
> the examples of these
> > > "missionaries and religous divines"...
> > >
> > > Iconoclasm and imposition of "true" Sharia
> through all means...which are
> > > enumerated here
> > >
> > > https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2007-December/014758.html
> > >
> > >
> > > So here we are.....Shudda's shoots himself in the
> foot again....
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > >
> > > Rashneek
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Shuddhabrata
> Sengupta <
> > shuddha at sarai.net
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Dear All,
> > >>
> > >> Rashneek says  -  "there is a
> history on this network here is a history
> > on
> > >> this
> > >>
> > >> network where people have called barbarians
> like Sikander Butshikan and
> > >> Syed
> > >> mohd.Hamdani divinely ordained dervishes and
> incidentally these are
> > people
> > >> who claim to have Marxist if not Moaist
> ideologies."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> This is a very interesting statement. I am
> not a Maoist (I consider
> > Maoism
> > >> to be yet another variety of degenerate third
> worldist nationalism - )
> > but I
> > >> am persuaded by critical strains within
> Marxism, (among other things)
> > and
> > >> have never concealed that fact.  I also
> happen to have mentioned
> > Sikandar
> > >> 'Butshikan' and Hamadani in one of my set of
> postings -
> > >> https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2007-November/011030.html
> > >> Annotations to the History of Iconoclasm in
> Kashmir - I (posted on
> > >> November 9, 2007) written, incidentally in
> response to Rashneek Kher's
> > >> postings on the subject of iconoclasm.
> > >>
> > >> I have trawled through the Reader List
> archives, and the only reference
> > to
> > >> Hamadani that I could find made by anyone who
> could even remotely be
> > >> described as a 'Marxist' (even by a stretch
> of imagination) occurs in
> > this
> > >> posting. So, I take it, that the gesture is
> made in my general
> > direction.
> > >> Hence this clarification.
> > >>
> > >> Nowhere in this posting do I deny that either
> Sikandar 'Butshikan' or
> > >> Hamadani were not in fact iconoclasts. I
> merely make the point that the
> > >> history of iconoclasm in Kashmir does not
> have a solely 'Islamic'
> > >> provenance. And that just as there were many
> non-muslim iconcolastic
> > rulers
> > >> in pre-Islamicate Kashmir, there were also
> several muslim rulers in
> > Kashmir
> > >> who protected non-muslim places of worship.
> > >>
> > >> More importantly, never, in any posting, have
> I characterized either
> > >> Sikandar 'Butshikan' or Hamadani as 'divinely
> ordained dervishes'. Shah
> > >> Sikandar is a king, and that is how I have
> described him, and Hamadani
> > is a
> > >> religious leader, which is exactly what I
> have called him. Neither of
> > these
> > >> two descriptions amounts to what it means
> when one says 'divinely
> > ordained'.
> > >> For that to obtain, I would have first of all
> to believe in the notion
> > of a
> > >> 'divnity' which I don't. And secondly,
> believe that such a 'divinity'
> > >> ordains the destruction of architecture and
> images, which, logically,
> > >> following from the first, i don't either. I
> have viewed all acts of
> > >> iconoclasm in the history of Kashmir,
> regardless of who caused them to
> > >> occur, as acts of violence. And have never
> said any thing that can be
> > read
> > >> to the contrary.
> > >>
> > >> I think, yet again, Rashneek, in his haste to
> score a weak point, has
> > been
> > >> a little too generous in his interpretation
> of the textual substance of
> > the
> > >> archive of this list. As always, I would urge
> him, and everyone else to
> > >> buttress their easily brandished opinions
> with a modicum of evidence.
> > The
> > >> point I made about Nadeem Paracha's loosely
> articulated polemic against
> > Roy,
> > >> which inititated this exchange, seems, to me
> to be strengthened by this.
> > I
> > >> do however, remain hopeful, that this list
> will eventually teach
> > Rashneek to
> > >> be more careful with his words.
> > >>
> > >> best
> > >>
> > >> Shuddha
> > >>
> > >> I
> > >>  On 28-Aug-09, at 12:40 PM, rashneek
> kher wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Dear Anupam,
> > >>
> > >> Well I am not confusing anything with
> anything.There is a history on
> > this
> > >> network where people have called barbarians
> like Sikander Butshikan and
> > >> Syed
> > >> mohd.Hamdani divinely ordained dervishes and
> incidentally these are
> > people
> > >> who claim to have Marxist if not Moaist
> ideologies.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >>
> > >> Rashneek
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, anupam
> chakravartty <
> > c.anupam at gmail.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>   Dear Rashneek,
> > >> "They would cleanse the society by imposing
> purity on the inhabitants
> > and
> > >> the sly shadows of Mao would cheer them and
> call them dervishes oops
> > >> divinely ordained dervishes."
> > >>
> > >> I think you are confusing Talibanisation with
> Marxism and Maoism. If the
> > >> so-called "armed" gunmen threatened the
> college principal, as the
> > reports
> > >> stated, to which he opposed and said: 
> "he would not be cowed by the
> > >> threat
> > >> and would continue to do his work at the
> college" and also the fact he
> > is
> > >> a
> > >> specialist in greatest Islamic revivalist of
> our times, Sayyid Qutb (who
> > >> the
> > >> neo-liberal sorts think that because of his
> criticism of the American
> > way
> > >> of
> > >> life has helped in shaping of al-qaeda) then
> there is an inherent
> > >> contradiction in your claims about dervishes.
> here we have someone who
> > is
> > >> specialist, who is opposed to imposition of
> hijab. i think i would
> > >> appreciate the principal's stand.
> > >> - thanks
> > >> anupam
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:26 AM, rashneek
> kher <rashneek at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Dear All,
> > >>
> > >> A story done by Indian Express on the
> Islamist Icons(Robin Hoods of our
> > >> friends) imposing Hijab and threating
> Prinicipals of Colleges by burning
> > >> their cars.
> > >> How I wonder would Taliban control the land
> that once infidelds lived
> > >> in.They would cleanse the society by imposing
> purity on the inhabitants
> > >>
> > >> and
> > >>
> > >> the sly shadows of Mao would cheer them and
> call them dervishes oops
> > >> divinely ordained dervishes.Their divine
> powers derived from mediveal
> > >> obscrutanist religiou practices-soon
> flogging,killing in football
> > grounds
> > >> and burning of girls schools would be the
> order of day.And our Marxist
> > >> demi-icons would sing paeans to the piety of
> the new age dervishes.
> > >> It may also be worthwhile to mention that the
> leaders of the "azadi"
> > >>
> > >> today
> > >>
> > >> have done exactly this when they "were a part
> of the armed struggle".For
> > >> the
> > >> proponents of jihad and their
> supporters...from Riyaz Wani
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >>  In Valley, gunmen take to moral
> policing: ‘enforce hijab in college’
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>    In the first such incident in
> the Valley since the decline of
> > >> militancy
> > >> started two years ago, masked gunmen waylaid
> the principal of a North
> > >> Kashmir college, destroyed his car, and gave
> him a three-day ultimatum
> > to
> > >> ensure the 3,000 girl students in his
> institution began wearing the
> > >>
> > >>   hijab.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  The principal, Muhammad Ashraf, a
> respected Islamic scholar, told The
> > >> Indian Express today that he would not be
> cowed by the threat and would
> > >> continue to do his work at the college.
> > >>
> > >>  Ashraf said seven men stopped his car
> — in which he was riding with his
> > >> son
> > >> and a local acquaintance — near his village
> at Dangiwacha, and
> > >>
> > >> commandeered
> > >>
> > >> the vehicle over a dirt track into a thicket
> of bushes. “They wore masks
> > >> and
> > >> dark glasses and were heavily armed with
> Kalashnikovs, pistols and
> > >> grenades,” Ashraf said.
> > >>
> > >>  According to the principal, the men
> appeared to know a lot about him:
> > >>
> > >> that
> > >>
> > >> he was a specialist on Sayyid Qutb — the
> Egyptian Islamist political
> > >> theorist and leading intellectual of the
> Muslim Brotherhood in the 50s
> > >>
> > >> and
> > >>
> > >> 60s who is thought to be one of the
> philosophical progenitors of Al
> > Qaeda
> > >>
> > >> —
> > >>
> > >> and that he had been trying to enforce
> discipline in his college.
> > >>
> > >> “You have taken some really good steps in
> the college like banning
> > >>
> > >> smoking
> > >>
> > >> and cellphones. Now, you must do something
> that we want you to do.
> > >>
> > >> Enforce
> > >>
> > >> an Islamic dress code for girl students,”
> Ashraf said the men told him.
> > >> They
> > >> gave him three days to carry out their
> diktat, failing which they would
> > >> “act”, they said.
> > >>
> > >> Ashraf’s college, Degree College, Sopore,
> has around 7,000 students on
> > >>
> > >> its
> > >>
> > >> rolls, 3,000 of whom are girls. It is among
> the largest colleges in the
> > >> state.
> > >>
> > >> “They told me that they had picked me to
> send a message to all other
> > >> schools
> > >> and colleges in the Valley in which girls
> study,” Ashraf said.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps to rattle the principal and send the
> message that they meant
> > >> business, the gunmen set his vehicle on fire.
> Ashraf and his companions
> > >> were
> > >> released after about two hours in captivity.
> > >>
> > >> The Dangiwacha police have filed a case, and
> are looking at all angles,
> > >> including one unrelated to militancy. “We
> are exploring the possible
> > >> dimension of college rivalry,” said a
> senior officer who did not want to
> > >>
> > >> be
> > >>
> > >>   named.
> > >>
> > >> No militant outfit has claimed responsibility
> for the incident. The
> > >> separatists too have been silent, and are
> perhaps trying to ascertain if
> > >> militant groups were involved.
> > >>
> > >> Senior Superintendent of Police Viplav Kumar
> said a hunt was on for the
> > >> gunmen. “We are trying our best. Hopefully,
> we will crack the case
> > soon,”
> > >> he
> > >> said.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-valley-gunmen-take-to-moral-policing-enforce-hijab-in-college/507208/0
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> best
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Rashneek Kher
> > >> http://www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> > >> http://www.nietzschereborn.blogspot.com
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> > >> --
> > >>  Rashneek Kher
> > >> http://www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
> > >> http://www.nietzschereborn.blogspot.com
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> > > The Sarai Programme at CSDS
> > > Raqs Media Collective
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