[Reader-list] (off topic) Re: 'Krishna existed. The schooltexts arewrong':says nuclear scientist

[anupam chakravartty]

Dear Taraprakash,

I do not really understand if it is you or someone else replying on your
behalf. I really dont care. But i dont understand the reasons why you,
specifically you are behaving like this. Have i said something personally to
you sir? Or my presence is a threat?

Yes i have refuted the argument of this so-called american scientists saying
Krishna is not a myth and school texts are wrong. I have refuted it to the
best of my knowledge. if you wish argue on the same lines or have more
information on it, why dont you post it here?

if i am a bullshitting free man, what proves that these bunch of scientists
are not in the information provided through the news report. i have
repeatedly said i would welcome the findings like many others.  why do i
feel you are also kind of a zealot trying to prove your intellectual bla and
blah. i dont care what sarai list was in the past. the only impression of
sarai for me during my college years is that it is place for critical
thinking and analysis. a lot of disagreements also. i see that by no means i
have gone against very purpose of this organisation. i would request the
moderator to block me out, if my posts are offensive. not you sir.

-anupam


On 9/2/09, taraprakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:

> Now this off list. I did not want the rest of the list to be bothered
> watching the shit being cleaned with shit. You seem to be a cronic case of a
> bull shitting free man. You will set your fingers at liberty and set your
> mind to rest. I am not free, have plenty of work to do. I don't have energy,
> time or inclination to indulge in a brawl with a nincompoop. So I will let
> the street fight go on and stay in my doors. You will be 13th person on the
> list to be blocked by my e-mail filters. Before finishing my last e-mail to
> you, I will advise you to develop a coherent thinking and express it in your
> writing, on the list or elsewhere. If you come out of the denial mode and
> read your mails on this thread, you will know what I am trying to say. You
> are free to consider the Hindu scriptures myth or reality, abominable or
> examplary, your messages are trash if they don't add to the basic
> information. REader list used to be a haven for intellectual discussion and
> information till some Hindutva zealots and later on "street fighters" like
> you flooded it with filth. It is a pastime for 3 or 4 of you (currently) for
> the big majority, they add nothing academically. Not everyone is as
> technologically savvy to be able to block the users, so have pity on them.
> It will also help if you stick to your proposal of boycotting a specific
> agenda. A lot of back and forth of e-mails which adds nothing to our
> information can be reduced. But in any case, your mails will not reach my
> inbox anymore.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "anupam chakravartty" <
> c.anupam at gmail.com>
> To: "sarai list" <reader-klist@`sarai.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] (off topic) Re: 'Krishna existed. The
> schooltexts arewrong':says nuclear scientist
>
>
> Dear Taraprakash,
>>
>> I really sad to hear about your state of mind. let me clear again, I am
>> arguing for the genuius of the authors who composed Mahabharata. the mail
>> did not speak of any insecurity but the very thing about education system
>> and what is being taught to kids points out that at least one set of
>> people
>> are not comfortable with what is being taught. one can very easily infer
>> since history writers could not locate krishna as historical figure, there
>> is this sustained effort from the side of this coterie to prove that
>> things
>> like ram setu or krishna existed. independently, the research is
>> interesting. but this select group of people (namely a set of insecure
>> Hindus) would use this research for racial superiority and other things
>> that
>> comes along with the right wing political. no wonder you can so easily
>> i nurse hatred against the hindus although i have repeatedly appreciated
>> the
>> authors of mahabharata and their sense of astrology.
>>
>> and frankly, you are no different from a bully: "And there is so much of
>> shit flowing around, it is not fair to blame you alone." first you clean
>> your shit then you come and say that mr taraprakash.
>>
>> -anupam
>>
>>
>> On 9/1/09, taraprakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't mind your hatred against such people as you described. But this
>>> person was neither talking about Hinduism specificly nor he was
>>> suggesting
>>> any insecurity. He, in fact, said something to the effect about religion
>>> (not Hinduism) being tool for world peace. In one of your previous mails
>>> when you reacted as if you were stung by million bees, the reason was
>>> just
>>> use of the word Hindu. The mail did no speak of any insecurity etc. The
>>> irony that the writer was pointing towards, like it would happen to any
>>> street bully, went over your head.
>>>
>>> And yes, you are right. I don't read most of your mails, I don't read
>>> most
>>> of the list mails in fact. There is not just 1 bully on this list. A lot
>>> of
>>> mails on this list, some written by you as well, stink of shit. And there
>>> is
>>> so much of shit flowing around, it is not fair to blame you alone. But
>>> you
>>> seem to have pretensions of sophistication, so I smell some of it from
>>> you.
>>> But no more. If you can't see the contradiction in your mails written on
>>> this thread, I pity your intelligence.
>>>
>>> Sorry list, there wasn't much for anyone in this mail but since Anupam is
>>> anyway going to make it public by putting this on his blog, I did not
>>> send
>>> him this mail privately, which I should have done. Apologies again.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "anupam chakravartty" <
>>> c.anupam at gmail.com>
>>> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 'Krishna existed. The school texts
>>> arewrong':says nuclear scientist
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Taraprakash,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You may be partially right about my hatred towards all such Hindus who
>>>> are
>>>> desperate to prove their insecurities by finding something with
>>>> reasoning
>>>> (just to be in that same league of solomon's treasure hunters) which the
>>>> scriptures itself have said that only prajna or moving beyond reasoning
>>>> towards a purer belief (untouched by their insecurities) can lead to
>>>> knowledge about the God.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like you dont read my mails. I have never said such research is
>>>> not
>>>> welcome. I would be happy if someone proves that there was Krishna, and
>>>> fairies, and Yeti, and That there were UFOs who actually helped
>>>> Egyptians
>>>> to
>>>> build pyramids. however, some how rationality, reasoning and research
>>>> would
>>>> keep showing otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for calling me a bully. I cant stop smiling at this comment.
>>>> It
>>>> goes on my blog :)
>>>>
>>>> "Aren't you being a bully by showing your desire to prove that you are a
>>>> "street fighter" (a claim made by you or someone who knew you on the
>>>> list),
>>>> who wouldn't like to give a reasonable chance for negotiation about his
>>>> position?"
>>>>
>>>> -Anupam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/1/09, taraprakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all and Anupam. Your hatred towards anything to do with Hindus is
>>>>> clear, but not understandable. Whether Krishna's existence was a fact,
>>>>> as
>>>>> this scientist suggests with a reasoning, or whether it was myth, as
>>>>> you
>>>>> are
>>>>> claiming without actually substantiating your claim, can be proved with
>>>>> research. It may not be decissive but if someone wants to do a research
>>>>> on
>>>>> it, what's wrong in it? Aren't you being a bully by showing your desire
>>>>> to
>>>>> prove that you are a "street fighter" (a claim made by you or someone
>>>>> who
>>>>> knew you on the list),  who wouldn't like to give a reasonable chance
>>>>> for
>>>>> negotiation about his position?
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally if we all were to become wary of things that would offer
>>>>> skeletons
>>>>> from the closet, would there be any investigation in to massacres,
>>>>> there
>>>>> would actually be no teaching of history.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "anupam chakravartty" <
>>>>> c.anupam at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:02 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] 'Krishna existed. The school texts are
>>>>> wrong':says nuclear scientist
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am wary of anthropological investigations because they always render
>>>>>
>>>>> skeletons from the closet. Here the scientists are just touching the
>>>>>> tip
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the iceberg in form astrological positions. My expertise in astrology
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> juvenile as the claim that a character called Krishna existed because
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> was a real planetary position. It certainly is a matter of immense
>>>>>> importance to have more interesting data about the authors of these
>>>>>> texts
>>>>>> namely Mahabharata and Ramayana. In the sense, a certain way of
>>>>>> locating
>>>>>> fictitious event and to make it seem real, locate the event with real
>>>>>> star
>>>>>> positions. If the aryan feudal battles were recorded with the star
>>>>>> positions, that also is important contribution to the history writing.
>>>>>> Would
>>>>>> be interested to know more about this project rather than basing my
>>>>>> opinion
>>>>>> on a news report. This would be an important revelation and I look
>>>>>> forward
>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After reading this news report, it take me back to a phase when I was
>>>>>> fascinated with Erick Von Daniken's Chariots of the Gods, and then
>>>>>> ... suddenly someone told me about a bunch of people committing
>>>>>> suicide thinking about of the some kind of superior race of aliens
>>>>>> hovering above this planet waiting to take them to heaven.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -anupam
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Kshamendra
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have no issues with people having interest in all such activities,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> include myself in some of these. But I believe there are larger
>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> solved for the people across the world, so we need not spend public
>>>>>>> funds
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> such things. What we can ask is for the corporates to fund these
>>>>>>> things,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> this requires painstaking research and money, which is already in a
>>>>>>> crunch,
>>>>>>> and only once public requirements are fulfilled, we can think of
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rakesh
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