[Reader-list] FW: FW: ATTEMPT OF TARNISHING GUJARAT IMAGE

[Bipin Trivedi]

I have applauding Modi for his efficient Governance ability. Its riot matter
we were talking and only Gujarat riot, not other riot everyone want to
highlight.

 

Other than riot, issue altogether different. Don't mix up riot and other
governing matters for discussion. For useless scheme like NREGA I have
already mentioned my views. 

 

 

From: Rakesh Iyer [mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:25 PM
To: Bipin Trivedi
Cc: sarai-list
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] FW: FW: ATTEMPT OF TARNISHING GUJARAT IMAGE

 

Dear Bipin

I post these mails in the hope that you would try to be rational and
understand that your faith in Modi is misguided. 

As for exaggerating things, I had written mails on Right to Food and NREGA
as well. Then nobody was around here to argue for such things or suggest
better concrete measures. Even you have only such issues to argue upon. Then
even you and those who support your views had nothing to comment. 

And I won't blame you, as I used to earlier. When people agree on certain
issues, there is nothing to argue about. People agree that a NREGA is
important or that a Right to Food is important, and therefore we don't
argue. 

But you have conveniently forgotten facts only to prove yourself right. I
don't say that Modi has done all things wrong, but this is and will remain a
major blot on his governance and his ideas. And I don't think he understands
development as well. 

Rakesh

@ Pawan ji: Even Rajiv Gandhi had sent the army after 3 days to quell the
1984 riots. That didn't stop the violence, because almost all the violence
took place in those 3 days. Same was the case here in Gujarat under Modi.
And as for the appeal, the appeal was followed, as Anupam pointed out later,
by a Gujarat Gaurav Rath Yatra, which was his election campaign. 

Modi was belting out statements like 'Hum paanch humare pachees' during his
campaign, in clear violation of all norms of society. He would have done
better to know that as per the only report done on this, more Hindus had
been practising polygamy in India than Muslims. This report based on a
survey conducted in 1974 found out that 1 crore Hindus and 12 lakh Muslims
had indulged in polygamy. (all figures for men). 

After that no figures have been obtained. So without figures, Modi has no
right to blame Muslims for having more wives than Hindus, based on his
useless perception-based theory. 

Anupam said it right, go and watch the documentary: Final Solution. In one
of his speeches, Modi states that if Godhra would not have happened, not
even one stone would have been thrown. The rest is well understood. 

Rakesh



On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:

Dear Rakesh,

Why you repeating all these, which you have mentioned many times and yet the
investigation going on by both commission and SC. The point here is only
this issue every one want to highlight while other riots swiftly forgotten
that was actually point I have mentioned in my mail in which you replied all
this. 

You are proving me right again that only this issue every one want to
highlight and exaggerate.

 

 

From: Rakesh Iyer [mailto:rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:38 PM


To: Bipin Trivedi
Cc: sarai-list

Subject: Re: [Reader-list] FW: FW: ATTEMPT OF TARNISHING GUJARAT IMAGE

 

Dear Bipin

You are talking about Godhra. First of all, Godhra is in Gujarat, and in
2002 when that incident took place, Gujarat had a BJP government in the
state whose primary responsibility it was to protect those who lost their
lives in the unfortunate incident. 

Secondly, during that time, the Indian Govt. was the BJP-led NDA govt., and
the Railways Minister was Nitish Kumar, the current Chief Minister of Bihar.
It was his and his ministry's responsibility to ensure that those travelling
in any train, including this one, were protected. 

Both failed, and the consequences were disastrous. 

Let us go further ahead and use the arguments Gujarat police have used. 

The Gujarat police initially declared that this was an ISI-led conspiracy to
use local elements and instigate them to carry out this heinous act. Any
such act should have been caught by the intelligence machinery and effective
measures taken to catch the culprits and counter this effort. The fact that
both central intelligence and state intelligence failed to do so, is a
failure of governments both at the centre and the state, both of which are
BJP or BJP-led. So again, the blame goes on the BJP and their governments. 

What is also shameful is that a whole pogrom occupied the matters of a state
for so much time which took place because supposedly ISI had a role in
burning of the train. So basically, if the ISI in Pakistan conducts an act
of killing Hindus here, there will be riots. What a shame indeed for the
Indian society and for the Indian state that all that the ISI has to do is
conduct such an act and then wait for a pogrom to take place! 

It was of course another matter that till date they have not been able to
prove how this was an ISI conspiracy to destabilize India. 

The Gujarat police has also been conveniently changing stands on the Godhra
case. First, they said the train was burnt from outside. When it was stated
by forensic experts that this can't be done and also cited the proof of the
same (being that if the train was burnt from outside, the tracks would also
have been burnt somewhat), the new theory formulated was that the vestibule
was cut and people went in and poured petrol inside. Nobody thought it fit
to realize that in the stone-throwing spree from outside, with the doors
closed, firstly people inside the bogie would have protested and pushed out
those who were pouring kerosene or petrol on the people. Secondly, all
sleeper coaches in such trains are connected and so people could have
escaped through these to other coaches. And most importantly, some people
did manage to escape through the door, though they did get injured due to
stone-throwing. And yes, while cloth rags were thrown inside the bogies, no
passenger eye-witness claimed any petrol or kerosene being thrown on them or
others. 

The Gujarat police arrested even a blind person as part of the conspiracy.
And all of these were charged under POTA. Never mind that there was not an
iota of evidence to prove that these people were terrorists or were part of
a conspiracy!

This is about Godhra. Till today, we don't know how this act of burning took
place. We don't know who are the perpetrators. Horror of horrors, we don't
know who all actually lost their lives on that day, since the identities of
some of those who died are still not known (never mind that the
RSS-VHP-BJP-Bajrang Dal combine states that they are karsewaks, without any
evidence to back their claim). And we don't know why unlike in normal cases,
the Railway Ministry didn't institute a commission of inquiry to investigate
the event within 48 hours (this work being done by the Nanavati-Shah
commission). 

When the police fails, a whole set of people are not able to get justice.
And a whole set of innocents then find themselves being implicated in false
cases. 

But then some people live in the irony of pride of Gujarat. 

Rakesh

P.S: 

It's hilarious for you to claim that we have started noting other riots or
pogroms. I don't think anyone with any sense of humanity can ever condone a
riot or a pogrom. Just because I didn't mention it or someone never
mentioned it doesn't mean they support it. First ask them before stating
such things.

For people like you who believe in tit-for-tat, two wrongs make a right.
Since Congress organized 1984 pogrom and got away with it, BJP according to
you also has a right to conduct 2002 pogrom and get away with it. Since
Congress according to you practises corruption, BJP also has a right to
indulge in corruption. And since Congress has a right to indulge in
appeasement of Muslims, BJP has a right to indulge in Hindu appeasement as
well. 

It would be good for you to understand that both are wrong, and because you
have done a wrong act doesn't mean I too have a right to commit that wrong
act. 

@ Pawan 

I wonder what kind of person are you, who claims on one hand to have
suffered at the hands of fundamentalists in Kashmir and also the government,
(forced out of Kashmir, your home), and supporting a mass-murderer like Modi
who has a completely skewed notion of development and was fiddling like Nero
while Gujarat burnt. 

I thought victims of tragedies of a similar kind understand each other. But
this notion of yours now makes me think twice about that assertion.