[Reader-list] Are Hindus ‘others’?

Mon Apr 19 14:44:55 IST 2010

Dear Syed Yunus

What is the "veil of shadow" about the origin of KPs?

If I see the veil then I can perhaps try and part that veil, if competent to do it.

Kshmendra

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, Syed Yunus <delhi.yunus at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Syed Yunus <delhi.yunus at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are Hindus ‘others’?
To: "Kshmendra Kaul" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi" <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>, "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 2:23 PM

Dear Kshmendra Kaul,

Thank you for sharing this piece of information. Can you also throw some light or remove the veil of shadow about the origin of KP's. 
regards,

Yunus

On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Rajen

I do not intend to enter this discussion but would like to share the following with you, which you might find interesting.

1. The Toda is a tribe in the Nilgiri range. You must have heard of them.

    The Toda worship the Buffalo. No other man or animal.

    The Toda believe that their Heritage is connected to the Pandava. From all of the various personages in the Dharmik (Hindu) traditions, the Toda have reverence only for the Pandava. But they do not worship the Pandava.

     In the Toda Heritage 'fraternal polyandry' was practised. Meaning one woman married all the brothers from another family. Just like Draupadi married all the Pandava brothers.

     It would be wrong to draw any conclusions from these bits of information but isnt it interesting?

2. In the Heritage of Kashmiri Pandits (KPs), there was no place for the Ramayana and the persons connected with it. Any Ram or Hanuman Mandir (of which there are a couple or so) was established in Kashmir only by the Hindus of the plains. The festivals like Divaali and Dusshera, as linked with the Ramayana are not in the traditions of the KPs.

   In the (far back) Heritage of KPs, there does not appear to have been much place for the Mahabharata either. Though Janamsaatmi (not Ashtami) took root at some stage as a festival, there are no Heritage Krishna Temples.

  The ruling deities of Kashmir are various aspects (symbolic representations) of Shakhti (Devi) and the Heritage traditions link these with Bhairava (as guards). The Bhairava Tantra in fact is the Heritage for KPs and at the root of what is generally know as Kashmir Shaivism, which as you would know is significantly different as a philosophy from many other recognitions of  Shaivism.

  Isnt it interesting how varied have been the practices encompassed in what is today known as Hinduism.?

Kshmendra

--- On Fri, 4/16/10, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Are Hindus ‘others’?
To: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 7:53 PM

Well, Pawan,
there is no ambiguity as far as hindu is concerned, as being hindu is being
humane, and it is a way of life, with known , recorded history of over 5000
years, if compared to any other ways of life of followers of any faith,
particularly Abrahamic, starting from Judaism, to christianity to islam, all
have atmost, the recorded history of about 2400 years.!
Even as a society, hindu and followers of hindu way of life are a divided
lot thanks to the invasions, not aggressions that you can talk about, as
hindu way of life and the kingdoms never aggressed by violence, but
established their rule of kingdom by letting loose a horse, decorated with
insignia of kingdom, and the ritual was known as Ashwamedha, the kings
recognised this, chose to be under the rule of the stronger kingdom, by
agreeing the rule of that kingdom, and the king, then known as
Chakravarthy,but with influx of other followers of different faiths, gradual
conversion in society started to be close to rulers, thus the hindu way of
life accepted other faiths, the ways of life, adopted the good of those
faiths, thus life of all became peaceful and harmonious, but later the
democratic rule where the rulers started the society on language, region,
religion and faith, those who did not have faith, atheists had a rallying
point in Karl marx.
Secular did not mean any thing more than respect to all faiths, to the
followers of all faith, in governnce, but in practice it became a tool to
divide the hindu segment in to castes, dominent castes labelling themselves
as Other Backward castes, who were in fact the rulers and ruling class in
the kingdoms.!
Thus democracy only made further divisions of HINDU segment of the society,
weak, weaker than the most minor followers of any other faith.!
Regards,
Rajen.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:

> I share a subject line as it is from a respectable newspaper.
>
> And the fact about the subject can be ascertained not shouted down.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:28 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Really ridiculous. on one hand, you want send mails after mails demanding
> > punishment for Sajjan Kumar and Tytler for killing sikhs, while you post
> > ridiculous issue about religion with a subject line: "are hindu others".
> can
> > you stop this divisive political agendas here?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Iftedah he Sicokular Ishq mein ..Sari raat jaage ....Allah jaane Kya
> Hoga
>  >> Aage ....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.dailypioneer.com/249530/Are-Hindus-‘others’.html<
> >>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/249530/Are-Hindus-%E2%80%98others%E2%80%99.html
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> *Are Hindus ‘others’?*
> >>
> >> *Abhishek Anshu | New Delhi*
> >>
> >> *GGSIPU admission form raises eyebrows*
> >>
> >> In an apparent error of omission on the part of authorities, Guru Gobind
> >> Singh Indraprastha University (GGSIPU) has asked all applicants to
> mention
> >> their religion in the admission form by marking the appropriate option,
> >> but
> >> failed to provide that of ‘Hindu’ even though all minority faiths are
> >> listed
> >> specifically.
> >>
> >> Those belonging to the Hindu religion are, therefore, left with no
> choice
> >> but to indicate their faith by ticking the ‘Others’ column on the list.
> >>
> >> While such a format has sparked widespread confusion and panic among
> >> students and applicants, IP University Vice-Chancellor Prof DK
> >> Bandyo-padhyay has said by way of clarification that the “column
> contains
> >> minority religions and Hindu falls in the category of ‘Others’”.
> >>
> >> “This is nothing unusual as it is known to all that Hindus are the
> >> majority.
> >> The ‘religion’ column has minorities in it and the Hindu students should
> >> fill out the ‘Others’ option given in the religion column of the form,”
> >> said
> >> Bandyopadhyay.
> >>
> >> The V-C added that in the form, SC/ST/OBC and ‘Others’ are separate
> >> options.
> >> “In the form, we have the options of Minorities, SC/ST/OBC and ‘Others’.
> >> Hindus, being the majority, should fill up ‘Others’,” he said. All
> >> explanations notwithstanding, students are still perplexed about how to
> >> fill
> >> the admission forms and some of them are even in a state of panic.
> >>
> >> “I filled up the application form but when I got to the religion column,
> I
> >> got confused as ‘Hindu’ was nowhere on the page. I have filled forms of
> >> various universities but this is for the first time I have seen
> something
> >> like this,” Aarushi, an applicant, said.
> >>
> >> She added she had to reread the admission brochure to confirm there were
> >> no
> >> printing errors. “I was scared there was a printing error. After going
> >> through the brochure, I learnt that the option was simply not
> mentioned,”
> >> she said. IP University was hit by controversy recently when over 1,000
> >> fake
> >> admission forms were submitted by applicants.
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