[Reader-list] Pakistan kids on reality show face MNS ire

Sun Aug 1 09:47:03 IST 2010

Dear Bipin
You have found one poor Pakistani on this list and you are blasting
Yasir with all your life-long prejudices against Pakistan. Come on.
You have mentioned "we have no Kashmir topic taught in school to prove
anything" - how wrong can that statement be. Are you sure all our
textbooks and media right from 1947 are not full of nationalist
rhetoric. We have been fed lies about all kinds of things (just as
Pakistanis have been fed) and we have assumed everything to be the
truth. All our problems could be solved if we stopped being too
nationalistic and greedy.

Subhash

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
> Dear Yasir,
>
> Now you come to the point. You have been taught in school and this is the way Pakistan spreading poison between the people of two countries. There is historical evidence that J&K allotted to India. It is our great leaders blunders to take the issue in UN. In India, we have no Kashmir topic to taught in school and no need since we don't have to prove anything!
>
> J&K is border state and army bound to be there as usual all the country keep normally in the border. Kashmir is special case infiltration and terrorists threat forced to keep army and nothing wrong in it. There is no question of screwing the people. People are willing to live in India and recent election 60% voting proved it. Those 40% not voted, I am sure half of them are of the opinion to remain with India only. So, total 80% are happy and willing to remain with India. Only few separatists influenced and supported by Pak want be independent or remain with Pak.
>
> Thanks
> Bipin Trivedi
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:reader-list-bounces at sarai.net] On Behalf Of yasir ~?? ??
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:54 PM
> To: Sarai Reader-list
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Pakistan kids on reality show face MNS ire
>
> Dear Bipin
>
> No, correction, all pakistanis think Kashmir should either be either in
> pakistan (that is the part still occupied by india), or independent. In fact
> ask the kashmiris, thats what pakistan had been saying, we were taught in
> school. Far from good governance, the indian army is desperately hanging on,
> not knowing where this is going, while people are getting screwed. so thats
> just to correct what you thought pakistanis think. i am no kashmir expert.
>
> of course, i think the regional dynamics need to change with the US fuelling
> militarism in the region. they need to leave afghanistan. may be then, and
> only then, could militancy and covert insurgencies ease (in pakistan, india
> and afghanistan hopefully with a regional development plan) This would i
> think allow popular reasoning to let go of the kashmir fixation and
> militarization on the part of the the indian and pakistani states. before
> that forget it. its like watching a dynamic stalemate in a nuclear chess
> game. there is no shah-mord or checkmate, and border continues like some of
> the other walls, berlin, korean, israeli-palestinian, keeping the people in
> pain upset and in a frenzy.
>
> Best.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>
>> Dear Yasir,
>>
>> Thanks for your view that Kashmir belongs to whom make no sense to you.
>> It's not question of tera ya mera but it's question of Pakistan blunder and
>> keep this issue in priority want to grab J&K by hook or crook which is not
>> belong to them. For this only they terrorize the region. Any answer?
>>
>> By telling Kashmir belong to whom makes no sense to you itself gives the
>> answer. Since technically all the pak people knows that J&K belong to India
>> but still keep mum silently agreeing with such agenda.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bipin Trivedi
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:reader-list-bounces at sarai.net]
>> On Behalf Of yasir ~?? ??
>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:49 PM
>> To: Sarai Reader-list
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Pakistan kids on reality show face MNS ire
>>
>> Dear Bipin,
>>
>> Thanks for writing. i dont think i can answer everything. and definitely I
>> cannot answer for what my government does. I am sure you feel as powerless
>> when i comes to telling your government what to do, as I do. May be you do
>> really have a weak government which cannot stand on its own and learn from
>> you.
>>
>> As far as people are concerned here. there is no problem. I have a number
>> of
>> indian friends who live and work in pakistan. I think it is a compliment
>> that to indian industry that we watch more indian tv programmes (whether
>> sateliite or not, reality tv also comes via satellite) than indians
>> watching
>> pakistani tv. not only that we also have to watch the advertisements :)
>>
>>  as for permissions, it  is very difficult to get indian visa for
>> pakistani,
>> even when there are divided families. the same is true on the other side.
>> In
>> fact visa policy is usually matched tit-for-tat on either side.
>>
>> in any case india is named after the indus which is in pakistan and my
>> family and relatives live everywhere from UP to bengal and bombay, and the
>> history is very long. so all this talk of kashmir mera ya tera, mine or
>> yours, makes absolutely no sense to me.
>>
>> best
>> yasir
>>
>>
>> 2010/7/29 Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
>>
>> > Dear Yasir,
>> >
>> > Release of bollywood film or TV channel program telecast in Pak is
>> > altogether different things. TV channel are satellite transmission and
>> > everyone free to see it.
>> >
>> > Here live or reality show program topic is there. How much of Indian
>> > artists allowed there for live show in this decade? In India Pak artists
>> can
>> > come and participate in TV reality shows like singing, comedy, dance
>> while
>> > what is the revert position? Can Indian artists can participate there?
>> No.
>> > if they want to go then lots of hindrance they have to suffer to get
>> > permission while here they can come easily.
>> >
>> > Pak has to retrospect themselves that why some section of Indian people
>> > oppose? taxi driver not charged a peny or they welcome Indians without
>> > hindrance because they have confident in Indian people that by no way
>> they
>> > will harm us. But, what is the reverse position? Today it is proved
>> > universally that Pak is epicenter of terrorism, so naturally people here
>> > will somewhat hesitate to welcome.
>> >
>> > What Pak foreign minister Qureshi did recently? He has insulted India by
>> > insulting our foreign minister and responsible to break away the talks.
>> > Those who visit here or allowed to visit here from Pak, India must seek
>> > clarification about Kashmir stand and I am sure even most of the people
>> of
>> > Pak will be exposed. Since Kashmir is belong to India and even POK is
>> also
>> > belong to India. Soft/weak stand by the Indian government encourages Pak
>> > authority/army and leads to more awkward position. If India adopts tough
>> > stand with Pak in all front and we can see the result in short time.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Bipin Trivedi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:
>> reader-list-bounces at sarai.net]
>> > On Behalf Of yasir ~?? ??
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:58 PM
>> > To: Sarai Reader-list
>> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Pakistan kids on reality show face MNS ire
>> >
>> > i think people are forgetting that bollywood is everywhere, that indian
>> > movies are running 24hrs on 5 channels on my cable, indian movies are now
>> > playing in cinemas in pakistan, add to that Star plus starsports,
>> tensports
>> > and the like. its actually part of life here. something you cant say at
>> the
>> > same scale for India regarding Pk artists. so please open your eyes.
>> >
>> > best
>> >
>> > y, karachi.
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