[Reader-list] Pune: Islamic terror?

[Aditya Raj Kaul]

Warning from Islamic terror groups from Pak, Pune under attack! Where did
Hindus come in picture?

Aman Ki Asha - to - Aman Ki Ashes

These selective killings were initiated in Kashmir 20 years back. Just b'coz
we are still sleeping; the entire country is today its victim!

Sad situation!

Aditya Raj Kaul


On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:

> Unfortunately there are almost no hindus left in Kashmir. Else people like
> you and Shuddha would have lost no opportunity in even blaming Hindus for
> grenade attacks etc etc...
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Pawan
> > Your heart cries "especially for the brothers and sister from WB"?
> > What about the victims from other Iran and Nepal? My heart cries for
> > everyone who is the victim of terrorism whichever religion they belong
> > to. But my heart cries equally for those who would soon be wrongly
> > accused and thrown into jails for years, or killed in false
> > encounters, as we have seen in each of such terror cases. But now that
> > it has established that Hindutva forces have been involved in several
> > terror acts (such as that in Malegaon and so on), why can't one raise
> > a doubt about them? Every time there is an unfortunate terror act,
> > within seconds and minutes the media and intelligence authorities make
> > their judgment about who the perpetrators were. And now that Sadhvi
> > Pragya and Col.Purohit are part of the game, and very much active in
> > Maharashtra, and also party to the anti-valentine campaign, why can't
> > one raise a finger at them? What has doubt got to do with "Deen"?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Good one Javed !
> > > This group would probably support you well for a well deserved Subject
> > line.
> > > Very intelligently you are trying to serve your "Deen" by using this
> > method.
> > > Coming from this group is no surprise , as it was this group which
> > started
> > > to doubt Batla House as well.
> > > Good Going .... ..... Do i hear claps....????
> > > I am sure , India would have many more partitions..... inflicted by
> 1000
> > > cuts and the handlers  of "non state actors".
> > > The ordinary citizens gets satisfied by candle light vigils , while
> > ignoring
> > > the threats in the name of "sickularism".
> > > And for the intelligent ones....pls let me know where do i get designer
> > > candles.....!!!
> > > Hurt !!!
> > > Pawan
> > > PS : My heart cries out for all victimes , especially the brother
> sister
> > > from WB.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Pune And After
> > >> Why The German Bakery? Why not the Chabad House or the Rajneesh
> > >> Ashram? Why only one explosion? Why not serial explosions? Should
> > >> India go ahead with the Feb.25 talks with Pakistan or put them on
> > >> hold?
> > >>
> > >> B. Raman
> > >> http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?264301
> > >>
> > >> Statements and comments from home minister P.Chidambaram and officials
> > >> indicate that the explosion in the well-known and well-frequented
> > >> German Bakery of Pune  around 7 PM on February 13, 2010, was an act of
> > >> terrorism. The case is under investigation by the local police and
> > >> possibly too by the National Investigation Agency (NIA), which came
> > >> into being after the 26/11 terrorist strikes in Mumbai. According to
> > >> the latest information, nine persons, including one foreigner, died in
> > >> the explosion, which appears to have been not a sophisticated one,
> > >> that could have required any special training. The expertise involved
> > >> could have been locally acquired. One must control the reflex to point
> > >> an accusing finger at Pakistan.
> > >>
> > >> The NIA's first major investigation was into the travels and
> > >> activities of David Coleman Headley of the Chicago cell of the
> > >> Lashkare-Toiba (LET) and his associate    Hussain Rana, also of
> > >> Chicago, in India to collect operational information  required for
> > >> targeting by the LET. Some of the details collected by Headley were
> > >> used by the LET in the 26/11 strikes in Mumbai. He had also collected
> > >> target details about other places of interest including in New Delhi
> > >> and Pune. These details had not been used till now though his
> > >> interrogation by the FBI reportedly indicated that the LET was
> > >> interested in another terrorist strike--this time in New Delhi.
> > >>
> > >> Among the targets of interest to Headley in Pune was the local Chabad
> > >> House, a Jewish cultural-cum-religious centre, which is frequented by
> > >> Jewish visitors to Pune and the local Rajneesh Ashram frequented by
> > >> the Western followers of Rajneesh, an Indian spiritual guru, who used
> > >> to live in the US and was the mentor of some sections of Western
> > >> youth. Both these places reconnoitred by Headley were near the German
> > >> Bakery, but neither of them was attacked on February 13. Instead, the
> > >> German Bakery was targeted.
> > >>
> > >> Why the German Bakery? Why not the Chabad House or the Rajneesh
> > >> Ashram? Why only one explosion? Why not serial explosions well
> > >> orchestrated as organised by the Indian Mujahideen in Uttar Pradesh,
> > >> Jaipur, Bangalore, Ahmedabad and New Delhi between November 2007 and
> > >> September,2008? Is it a lone wolf terrorist strike as one saw over
> > >> Detroit on Christmas Day when a Nigerian tried unsuccessfully to blow
> > >> up a US plane as it was getting ready to land in Detroit or did it
> > >> involve a team of terrorists like the 26/11? What is the significance
> > >> of the timing? Anything to do with the forthcoming resumption of
> > >> Indo-Pakistan dialogue on February 25? The dialogue has been under
> > >> suspension since 26/11. Did the timing have anything to do with the
> > >> US-UK offensive against the Afghan Taliban in the Helmand province,
> > >> which got going on Feb.13? Is it a carry-over of the anger  against
> > >> the Germans which Al Qaeda elements from Germany based in Pakistan's
> > >> tribal belt have been showing since September last? Should India go
> > >> ahead with the Feb.25 talks with Pakistan or put them on hold till a
> > >> clear picture emerges?
> > >>
> > >> These are questions which have to be addressed by the NIA and the
> > >> policy-makers in Delhi as the investigation makes headway. The Govt.
> > >> of India should keep an open mind and look into all possibilities and
> > >> should avoid over or hasty reactions. Reconstruction and investigation
> > >> of the explosion should have priority and not retaliation against it.
> > >>
> > >> B. Raman is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of
> > >> India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical
> > >> Studies, Chennai.
> > >>
> > >> COMMENTS :
> > >>        HAVE YOUR SAY
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 12:30 PM
> > >> 21
> > >>
> > >> Maha,
> > >>
> > >> >> what points?
> > >>
> > >> The points raised in my post: "One must remember that Pune is the
> > >> headquarters of Abhinav Bharati and Janajagruti Samiti. Previous
> > >> blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a way that the
> > >> suspicion would fall on Muslims. Picking a location that had been
> > >> visited by Headley would serve that purpose. In my view however it is
> > >> more likely that the blast was the work of Indian Mujahideens or
> > >> Pakis, but as Raman said, "The Govt. of India should keep an open mind
> > >> and look into all possibilities and should avoid over or hasty
> > >> reactions.""
> > >> Anwaar
> > >> Dallas, United States
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 12:21 PM
> > >> 20
> > >>
> > >> Varun,
> > >>
> > >> >> we are going to have put up with mendacity, irrationality and
> > >> >> obfuscation from Islamists and just from Moslems in general who
> want
> > to
> > >> >> blame some Hindu group.
> > >>
> > >> Actually most of the mendacity, irrationality and obfuscation is from
> > >> you side! Raman recommends, "The Govt. of India should keep an open
> > >> mind and look into all possibilities and should avoid over or hasty
> > >> reactions." But obviously keeping an open mind is just beyond you.
> > >> Anwaar
> > >> Dallas, United States
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 10:24 AM
> > >> 19
> > >>
> > >> "It is pretty obvious you have no answer to the point raised."
> > >>
> > >> what points ? Anyone can create a blog and write biased junk
> > >> propaganda articles. That does not mean we have to respond them. There
> > >> some isolated incidents with these hindu idiots and these losers are
> > >> turning this into some kind of national conspiracy of hindu terrorism.
> > >>
> > >> It is interesting you have easily bought this, but still not convinced
> > >> about ISI's involvement in terrorism in India.
> > >> Maha
> > >> NJ, United States
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 10:08 AM
> > >> 18
> > >>
> > >> Exactly. It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu
> > >> terrorist. I am sure likes of Vishal Arora, Ram Puniyanis, Teestas
> > >> will be able to link it to them through their great investigative
> > >> work.
> > >> Maha
> > >>
> > >> For the next little while, we are going to have put up with mendacity,
> > >> irrationality and obfuscation from Islamists and just from Moslems in
> > >> general who want to blame some Hindu group for the latest attack. For
> > >> some real beauts, check out Countercurrents.org The list of suspects
> > >> here would include Mossad and the CIA.
> > >> Varun Shekhar
> > >> Toronto, CANADA
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 09:39 AM
> > >> 17
> > >>
> > >> Usual trick by the usual suspects is blame some obscure Hindu group, I
> > >> suppose.I do not think the victims of this bomb blast will care to
> > >> know whether local Islamist or Paki sponsored Islamist was
> > >> responsible. Have a look at this and I totally agree with the author,
> > >> Sandeep.
> > >> http://www.sandeepwe...fter-and-ever-after/
> > >> Rama
> > >> sydney, Australia
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 07:37 AM
> > >> 16
> > >>
> > >> "Exactly. It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu
> > terrorist"
> > >>
> > >> I do not know about that but one thing is sure. Pakistan had
> > >> absolutely NO hand in the incident.
> > >> Ganesan
> > >> Nj, USA
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 05:19 AM
> > >> 15
> > >>
> > >> Maha,
> > >>
> > >> >> It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu terrorist.
> > >>
> > >> It is pretty obvious you have no answer to the point raised.
> > >> Anwaar
> > >> Dallas, United States
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 03:10 AM
> > >> 14
> > >>
> > >> http://prabhuguptara...stika-terrorism.html"
> > >>
> > >> Exactly. It is pretty obvious that Pune blast is work of Hindu
> > >> terrorist. I am sure likes of Vishal Arora, Ram Puniyanis, Teestas
> > >> will be able to link it to them through their great investigative
> > >> work.
> > >> Maha
> > >> NJ, United States
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 02:22 AM
> > >> 13
> > >>
> > >> Maha,
> > >>
> > >> Re: "Previous blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a
> > >> way that the suspicion would fall on Muslims".
> > >>
> > >> "The police had also reportedly found Muslim taqiyahs (skullcaps) and
> > >> fake beards in Rajkuntwar’s house."
> > >>
> > >> http://prabhuguptara...stika-terrorism.html
> > >> Anwaar
> > >> Dallas, United States
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 01:42 AM
> > >> 12
> > >>
> > >> "Previous blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a way
> > >> that the suspicion would fall on Muslims"
> > >>
> > >> I agree. Most of the blasts that are suspected to be done by islamic
> > >> terrorists are found be done by Abhinav bharatis and other hindutva
> > >> terrorists.
> > >> Maha
> > >> NJ, United States
> > >> Feb 15, 2010 01:18 AM
> > >> 11
> > >>
> > >> " The Govt. of India should keep an open mind and look into all
> > >> possibilities ...."
> > >>
> > >> Mr.Raman is right. Among "all possibilities" one must remember that
> > >> Pune is the headquarters of Abhinav Bharati and Janajagruti Samiti.
> > >> Previous blasts by Hindutva terrorists were carried out in such a way
> > >> that the suspicion would fall on Muslims. Picking a location that had
> > >> been visited by Headley would serve that purpose.
> > >>
> > >> In my view however it is more likely that the blast was the work of
> > >> Indian Mujahideens or Pakis, but as Raman said, "The Govt. of India
> > >> should keep an open mind and look into all possibilities and should
> > >> avoid over or hasty reactions."
> > >> Anwaar
> > >> Dallas, United States
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 11:25 PM
> > >> 10
> > >>
> > >> Nasser u r showing pathetic mindset.Using Malaegaon and Samjhuta to
> > >> condone Pune is abysmal thinking and deadly dangerous.Dont know why
> > >> are you blaming Hindus for maligning yr Fellow Muslims.Have they not
> > >> indulged and continue to indulge in senseless acts of terror in the
> > >> name of Islam.WHy dont you guys look into yourselves and then blame
> > >> others.If at all your very own are to be blamed.
> > >> drharun
> > >> chennai, India
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 09:49 PM
> > >> 9
> > >>
> > >> "Mr Raman is a diehard Sanghi and one of his prime activity is to cast
> > >> aspersions on Muslims by preemptive judgment and then help the police
> > >> frame innocent or unconnected Muslims"
> > >>
> > >> Moslems the world over( and you are evidence of it) despite Anwar's
> > >> laboured denials, feel that the assault on Mumbai in Nov/2008 was
> > >> really a conspiracy between the US, Israel/Mossad and some local Hindu
> > >> group( Abhinav Bharati?), who proceeded to massacre even Jewish
> > >> visitors to Mumbai with the idea of maligning Moslems.
> > >>
> > >> This is the level of mentality of Moslems, and the kind of mendacious
> > >> and irrational people India is up against.
> > >> Varun Shekhar
> > >> Toronto, CANADA
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 09:46 PM
> > >> 8
> > >>
> > >> "Mr Raman is a diehard Sanghi and one of his prime activity is to cast
> > >> aspersions on Muslims by preemptive judgment and then help the police
> > >> frame innocent or unconnected Muslims'
> > >>
> > >> Nasser
> > >>
> > >> Hadely and Rana have bare many things about the Inidam Mjuhidins .Try
> > >> to accept the truth.
> > >> a k ghai
> > >> mumbai, India
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 09:20 PM
> > >> 7
> > >>
> > >> http://news.rediff.c...towards-pakistan.htm
> > >>
> > >> This cannot be true. This is pure Sanghi propaganda to malign our
> > >> great neighbor.
> > >> Maha
> > >> NJ, United States
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 08:59 PM
> > >> 6
> > >>
> > >> An excellent article
> > >>
> > >> http://news.rediff.c...chasing-a-mirage.htm
> > >> Ganesan
> > >> Nj, USA
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 08:45 PM
> > >> 5
> > >>
> > >> Mr Raman is a diehard Sanghi and one of his prime activity is to cast
> > >> aspersions on Muslims by preemptive judgment and then help the police
> > >> frame innocent or unconnected Muslims.He deliberately kept silent on
> > >> the revelations of Late Kharare the honest and conscientious police
> > >> officer's finding of the Hindu terrorist outfits who were involved in
> > >> blasts in Malegoan,Samjhuta Express and in others places in
> > >> Maharashtra.Sangh parivar and BJP have more to gain than Pakistan in
> > >> these blasts.
> > >> nasar
> > >> Raleigh, USA
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 08:45 PM
> > >> 4
> > >>
> > >> A great news! Talks with Pak is still on. As CNN-IBN reports, India is
> > >> not going to react in a knee-jerk manner. What broadmindedness! What
> > >> diplomacy!!! Touche!!!! My heart melts.
> > >>
> > >> I have a question though. Why were the talks suspended after 26/11?
> > >> And India's position then was till the culprits are brought to
> > >> justice, there will be no talks as it would not be meaningful. Did the
> > >> govt acted in knee-jerk manner then? Or did I miss the news that the
> > >> culprits of 26/11 have been brought to justice?
> > >>
> > >> What a joke!!! None of the terror incidents in the last 10 years has
> > >> been solved. Not one terrorist who planned any of those attacks has
> > >> been killed in retaliation. Not one culprit who masterminded the
> > >> attacks have been brought to justice. Manmohan Singh goes out and
> > >> makes a statement(I am convinced it was a routine statement recycling
> > >> the old ones. He did not bother one bit about this) about bring this
> > >> bunch of culprits to justice as though the previous incidents have
> > >> been solved. The shameless media dares not ask one question.
> > >>
> > >> But why blame Manmohan or the press? People do not care one bit about
> > >> terrorism. And this callous, knee-jerk response is what they will get.
> > >> In a week, this incident will be forgotten like the hundreds before,
> > >> we will be praising the virtues of peace talks till the next terror
> > >> attack.
> > >>
> > >> And the clarion call "We will bring the culprits to
> > >> justice..........." (End of episode 2569. TO be continued)
> > >> Ganesan
> > >> Nj, USA
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 07:21 PM
> > >> 3
> > >>
> > >> Dear Mr Raman;
> > >>
> > >> This incident,s timing is very sensitive. It looks like a deliberate
> > >> attempt in stalling the proposed talks with Pakistan? If so whose
> > >> interests are these rouge elements serving?
> > >>
> > >> What needs to be thoroughly scrutnised is Pakistans sentimence towards
> > >> the talks, where they receptive or skeptical and was being forced to
> > >> accept the offer of talks by us , so they might want to withdraw or
> > >> stall the new initiatives?
> > >>
> > >> If the Pakistanis were receptive and open to the talks, were there any
> > >> 'strings attached'?
> > >>
> > >> Or if the Pakistanis were open hearted in their approach, whose
> > >> interests were the talks going to have a negative impact on?
> > >>
> > >> What were to be our gains, which might have had negative impact on
> > >> other's designs?
> > >>
> > >> The root might be more political and economic, as;
> > >>
> > >> a) India is heading for major arms purchase drive with billions of
> > >> dollars involved in the stake.
> > >>
> > >> b) An increased understanding (remotely possible) between India and
> > >> Pakistan and subsequent (again remotely possible) reduction of
> > >> anti-India activities from Pakistani soil, so India might be able to
> > >> concentrate more on more important issues? Like counter measures to
> > >> balance the threat from further north.
> > >>
> > >> c) The American intent of leaving Afgan, and the possible consequences
> > >> or benefits for India vis-a-vis a better relation with Pakistan, also
> > >> the possible losers if India were to have more amicable relations with
> > >> Pakistan.
> > >>
> > >> d) The Proposed gas pipelines from Iran and its future direction, if
> > >> ever India and Pakistan were to be on more amicable terms that the
> > >> present of the past.. Who stand to win and who stands to lose in this
> > >> regard?
> > >>
> > >> e) The recent curry bashing in Australia - which seems to be scripted
> > >> to strain Indo-Aussie relations? Subsequently attemting to ignite some
> > >> sour sentimense against India as a whole, in the heart of foreigners ,
> > >> especially the western world? If so whose interets would it serve?
> > >>
> > >> f) Or is this a rouge incident by other regional actors to divert
> > >> attention from the recent MNIK controversy?
> > >>
> > >> If we are to gain from indulging in fruitful taks with Pakistan, in
> > >> the long term or short term, my call is our country should pursue the
> > >> talks and at the same time be vigilant as ever.
> > >>
> > >> JJ Jhb-Za/Ktm
> > >> JJohn
> > >> Kottayam, India
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 04:58 PM
> > >> 2
> > >>
> > >> The timing has surely got to do with the entire focus of the
> > >> Maharashtra government getting concentrated firstly on Rahul Gandhi's
> > >> Mumbai visit,followed by the CM himself getting involved in protection
> > >> to showing of MNIK film.It surely is the handiwork of local Jihadis.
> > >> S.S.Nagaraj
> > >> Bangalore, India
> > >> Feb 14, 2010 03:22 PM
> > >> 1
> > >>
> > >> It is time india realised that it is a big market and people want
> > >> access to that. americans are practically beggars including the entire
> > >> west. China also wants access to indian Market.
> > >>
> > >> Use that clout and impose sanctions on anyboy who wants to sell goods
> > >> to India but at the same time works against our interest. There is
> > >> huge list of countries which can be put in that list. One such measure
> > >> and all of them will fall in line.
> > >>
> > >> Emmar for e.g. is just floating on Indian oxygen but Dubai keeps on
> > >> propping up Pakistani "interests". One such measure and Dubai will
> > >> fall in line.
> > >> vibhaas, Doha
> > >> vibhaas
> > >> Doha, qatar
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