[Reader-list] No Burqa, No teaching in West bengal

[Rajkamal Goswami]

 I completely agree with Salim Ji

On 7/30/10, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
> Taraprakash ji,
>
> I was surprised that some of my posts and yours have been deleted on the
> discussion about bank accounts and Muslims in India. I have also observed
> that you engage in a name calling exercise when your arguments are
> countered. I can see that I was being referred as a scoundrel in your
> previous post.
>
> But you have been continuously trying to dilute very essence of the argument
> about the difficulties faced by Muslims opening a bank account. Your
> attempts on diluting this issue starts from a comparative analysis
> (basically attempting to talk about the similar such experiences of other
> communities) to pushing for an utopian ideal: "I will be with those who ask
> for a new country as long as they promise that every Muslim will be treated
> equally in that country". Then you offer: "Forcing a homogeneous identity on
> all the Muslims is wrong." But the very next line has a list of identities
> (we are not sure if they fit your homogeneity index), which you think, have
> constituents with share of stories wherein they have been discriminated.
> Finally, you suggest that: "We must recognize and expose the double
> standards"
>
> Taraprakash jee, such attempts to dilute a particular issue doesn't work
> especially your name calling business.
>
> My observations about Muslims not allowed to open bank accounts have an
> empirical basis to it which was shared by others as well on this very list.
>
> Thanks
> Anupam
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:01 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ignore my previous mail Rakesh. I found the mail. I would like to differ
>> with you on one account. The term is not "misusing", it should be "using."
>> Anyone using a religious text or any other text for that matter, to
>> control
>> another human being's life should not be allowed to enter a place like
>> university. Not sure if their place is behind the bars, but I agree that
>> those who curb other people's freedom, have not right to remain free.
>>
>>
>> As I found the missing mail, I also found the mail of a scoundrel, that I
>> missed earlier. Well, I am borrowing the term "scoundrel" from Samuel
>> Johnson who said "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." The
>> scoundrel wanted me to make India a great country in my response to my
>> mail
>> about bank accounts. Well, I am not a scoundrel to be bound by such
>> shackles. Why not make Pakistan also great? Every country has a right to
>> become great as long as they don't define greatness in heinous way.
>> Tagore's dream for India, mind without fear, is broken by the nightmare
>> situation that we are in right now. When the government on the other side
>> of
>> the border of Shonar Bangla has brought fanatics under control somewhat,
>> the
>> "secular" set up on the Indian side is letting them flourish. A "minority
>> community" that does not justice to the "minority" within, has no
>> legitimate
>> right to ask for justice from "majority community." We must recognize and
>> expose the double standards.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rakesh Iyer" <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
>> To: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] No Burqa, No teaching in West bengal
>>
>>
>>  This is dubious. The university should be stripped of its legitimacy if
>>> they
>>> continue with this dubious aspect. Nobody anywhere in India should have
>>> the
>>> right to determine this dress code for teachers. If teachers feel any
>>> dress
>>> code should be maintained, it should be out of their own individual
>>> convictions and shouldn't be enforced by them on others.
>>>
>>> As for the Left front, it should be congratulated for spectacularly
>>> promoting fundamentalism and conservatism among the Muslim community to
>>> seek
>>> votes. While the BJP and the RSS indulge in feeding off the fear of the
>>> Muslims to seek votes (through demonizing Muslims), the Congress and the
>>> other 'secular' parties just feed off this fear of Muslims and let them
>>> remain in bad economic conditions in perpetuity to get their votes.
>>>
>>> Left is the third factor which people don't talk about. I as a Hindu
>>> don't
>>> have to refer to the Gita, Mahabharata, Ramayana or other religious texts
>>> to
>>> prove that women deserve equal rights as men or that untouchability is
>>> wrong
>>> or that women should also have the right to ask for divorce like men
>>> equally. I just have to refer to the Constitution. But a Muslim has to
>>> prove
>>> this using the Koran. And some fools are making the wrong use of it.
>>> Anybody
>>> misusing religious texts for such purposes should be put behind bars and
>>> they should get life term straightaway.
>>>
>>> And the disaster is for our people, including the Muslims.
>>>
>>> Rakesh
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