[Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development

[Britta Ohm]

What is the real truth?


Am 09.06.2010 um 07:00 schrieb Bipin Trivedi:

> Calculated attack? What a joke.
>
> Do you know any details why this happened? Why was happened? Unless  
> and
> until you don’t know the real truth think twice before making any  
> comment.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de [mailto:ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:07 PM
> To: Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi
> Cc: anupam chakravartty; Bipin Trivedi; sarai list; Britta Ohm;  
> TaraPrakash
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
>
> Why would you liken a terrible and very irresponsible industrial  
> accident
> to a calculated attack?
>
>> Anupam, may be you have other thoughts that muslims are also humans  
>> like
>> all
>> others who suffer in tragic events, but then, why you are quiet  
>> when the
>> tragedy hit the maximum number of muslims in Bhopal gas tragedy. ?  
>> Just
>> wondering, is it because it was then ruled by different
>> party...................?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:22 AM, anupam chakravartty
>> <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I thought the discussion was about the condition of Muslims in  
>>> Gujarat
>>> vis-a-vis Sachar committee report, and also about the relief  
>>> camps. The
>>> detractors have succeeded in hijacking the core issue yet again and
>>> discuss
>>> what is irrelevant and unneccesary.
>>>
>>> In most "successful" states as it is usually projected to its  
>>> people,
>>> democracy is only a mask especially if the state is proactively
>>> projecting
>>> itself as a democratic nation. Whether an institution, in this  
>>> case a
>>> state,
>>> is democratic, could only be ascertained over a period of time. If  
>>> i am
>>> correctly putting it, the idea of a democracy is not a priori but  
>>> it is
>>> dependent on the experience of the subject. If it is on paper,  
>>> that is
>>> not
>>> good enough to say that the state is democratic. It has been  
>>> observed
>>> that,
>>> apart from addressing large rallies ( a sign of majoritarianism),
>>> inspecting
>>> business models of large corporate houses and playing the 'cheif  
>>> guest'
>>> (in
>>> certain cases for marriages as well), if the head of the state is  
>>> saying
>>> she/he is ruling over a democratic institution, they are either  
>>> lying to
>>> the
>>> people or they live in some kind of make-believe. ICT enabled  
>>> approaches
>>> has
>>> even allowed some of the ministers in the state to address the  
>>> subjects
>>> through video conferencing. the excuse is usually a packed  
>>> schedule or a
>>> security threat!
>>>
>>> Frankly, I would not know about Singapore, but yes! several states  
>>> in
>>> India,
>>> especially Gujarat in the recent times, Assam between 1990 to  
>>> 2005, and
>>> India in general during the emergency years how a select group of
>>> persons
>>> subvert the rights of the people for their own political good. There
>>> exists
>>> other examples from these states where democracy or a system  
>>> resembling
>>> certain democratic ethos were highlighted to project itself as what
>>> could
>>> be
>>> called democratic. However, it is pretense.
>>>
>>> But at the same time, the issue cannot be solved by highlighting  
>>> only
>>> certain examples. it is the existing examples where such pretenses  
>>> exist
>>> need to addressed, which can go a long way to solve such issues.  
>>> One of
>>> the
>>> best approaches could be a participatory approach through both non  
>>> state
>>> and
>>> state actors.
>>>
>>> Anupam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Britta,
>>>>
>>>> Majoritarianism is not democracy.
>>>>
>>>> Is this statement you prefer for Gujarat only? Since all the  
>>>> states,
>>> union
>>>> government at Delhi all are ruling with majority in democracy!  
>>>> You are
>>> from
>>>> German and there is lots of difference in German and Indian  
>>>> politics,
>>>> ethics, discipline of public.
>>>>
>>>> Voters can easily come in the trap of political party offered by  
>>>> them
>>> as
>>> a
>>>> lollipop for short gain which is ultimately harmful to the public.
>>> Indian
>>>> public has to learn more on moral, ethics, discipline point of  
>>>> view. I
>>> hope
>>>> with this statement you must be aware of Indian political history  
>>>> and
>>> if
>>> not
>>>> make study then make yourself eligible for any such comment.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bipin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:
>>> reader-list-bounces at sarai.net]
>>>> On Behalf Of ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:55 PM
>>>> To: Kshmendra Kaul
>>>> Cc: sarai list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
>>>>
>>>> First of all we obviously have a dissent on the question whether
>>>> generalisations about the Indian public can be made or not, and  
>>>> given
>>> that
>>>> you accuse me of idiotic arrogance in this regard this dissent in
>>> itself
>>>> is very strong. So please tell me what exactly you find wrong  
>>>> with my
>>>> doing so. Then we have a second dissent which concerns the very
>>> question
>>>> of idiotic arrogance on my part, which I clearly dispute.
>>>> Since you brought in Bipin now: 'well-working' in terms of
>>> organisation
>>> is
>>>> not the same as 'well-working' in terms of democracy. The Third  
>>>> Reich
>>>> worked extremely well in terms of annihilating the German and  
>>>> European
>>>> Jews. Singapore works extremely well in terms of providing economic
>>>> security while curtailing freedom of speech. Under these conditions
>>> it's
>>>> obviously difficult to make out whether this finds the actual  
>>>> majority
>>> of
>>>> the voters, but even if it does, it's not democratic. Gujarat,  
>>>> which
>>>> cannot openly curtail democratic rights, works extremely well in
>>>> concealing the plight of many Muslims by simply denying that they
>>> exist
>>>> and by denying that the state systematically clamps down on those  
>>>> who
>>>> disrupt the picture presented. By finding a majority of the  
>>>> voters for
>>>> this strategy, it is indeed well-functioning but undermining
>>> democracy.
>>>> Majoritarianism is not democracy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Britta
>>>>>
>>>>> Dissent???? What dissent?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are talking about your 'dissent' with Bipin, I have little
>>>> interest
>>>>> in that, in the context of Modi/Gujarat since I do not know enough
>>> about
>>>>> Gujarat and am highly suspicious of Modi being any good for India
>>>>> (whatever else might be his claim to what he has done or not-done
>>> for
>>>>> Gujarat)
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not comment on your 'dissent'.
>>>>>
>>>>> I commented on the 'assent' you granted to your arrogance by  
>>>>> making
>>> a
>>>>> generalisation  about "Indian Public" in stating that:
>>>>>
>>>>> "silencing any rational counter-argument" ...... "has been the
>>> problem
>>>> of
>>>>> this list, and of the Indian public, for quite a while now."
>>>>>
>>>>> You obviously see nothing wrong with making such a generalisation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please have the last word.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kshmendra
>>>>>
>>>>> PS. Your comment to Bipin "Singapore is also a well-working state.
>>> But
>>>>> it's not a democracy." seems to suggest that you agree with the
>>> article
>>>>> you commented upon and that Gujarat is a "'well-working  
>>>>> state" (like
>>>>> Singapore) but that (like Singapore) there is no democracy in
>>>>> Gujarat.        Interesting
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Thu, 6/3/10, Britta Ohm <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Britta Ohm <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
>>>>> To: "Kshmendra Kaul" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 5:09 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kshmendra,
>>>>> that is indeed a very satisfying answer to a reasonable question.
>>>> Bouncing
>>>>> off dissent is the privilege of those who refuse communicating.
>>>>> I have the answer, thanks.
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 03.06.2010 um 13:10 schrieb Kshmendra Kaul:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Britta
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need to wonder about your "idiotic arrogance" then not much
>>> can
>>> be
>>>>> said to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep wondering. You might at some stage find the answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> K
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Wed, 6/2/10, ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu- 
>>>>> berlin.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
>>>>> To: "Kshmendra Kaul" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Cc: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de, "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:17 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder why it should represent an audacity to make a
>>> generalisation
>>> or
>>>>> to point to a problem. My name is Britta, by the way.
>>>>>
>>>>>> OHM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever be your feelings about the absence or presence of
>>> rationality
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> irrationality in an individual or members of this List, it says
>>> much
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> you when you make generalisations about the 'Indian Public'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Idiotic arrogance
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kshmendra
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Wed, 6/2/10, ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat's secular development
>>>>>> To: "Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi" <rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 8:57 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rajen, you're talking - even within the (lacking) logic of your  
>>>>>> own
>>>>>> argument - such nonsense that it hurts. If it is deliberate, it  
>>>>>> is
>>> a
>>>>>> smart
>>>>>> move, if not, it is very sad, in any case it has the effect of
>>> silencing
>>>>>> any rational counter-argument, and this has been the problem of
>>> this
>>>>>> list,
>>>>>> and of the Indian public, for quite a while now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What courage is needed to mention about the refugee camps of
>>> tibetans
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Bylakuppe and bailahongal in Karnataka, where the hard work, no
>>>>>>> nonsense
>>>>>>> approach to life and skills saw the tibetans rise again from
>>> strength
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> strength, what courage is needed to mention about the jewish  
>>>>>>> camps
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> millions were gassed and subsequent rush to other nations where
>>> they
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> refugees but integreted with the society to rise as powerful
>>>>>>> bankers.?What
>>>>>>> courage is needed to talk about the brilliance of the next
>>> generation
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> pandits who studied hard, played harder to acquire skills and
>>> achieve
>>>>>>> higher
>>>>>>> lifestyles.?
>>>>>>> courage is needed to talk about the camps of useless individuals
>>> who
>>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>> all gifts from the system for voting the leaders to power.!
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> rajen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:44 PM, anupam chakravartty
>>>>>>> <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bipin Trivedi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you do not have the courage to reply back when list members
>>> wanted
>>> to
>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>> you the conditions of the relief camps of 2002 survivors in
>>> Gujarat.
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> are you quoting this report for?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anupam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:34 PM, <ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Singapore is also a well-working state. But it's not a
>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Sachar Committee report indirectly challenges other
>>> states
>>> to
>>>>>>>> emulate
>>>>>>>>>> Gujarat chief minister's policy of secular development and
>>>>>>>>> ânationalise'
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> By Pravin Sheth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
> http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/article/59/20100527201005270359478766a84c375/
> Gujarat%E2%80%99s-secular-development.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In setting up the Sachar Committee, the UPA government had
>>> its
>>> own
>>>>>>>>>> objectives. Contrary to the expectations of Chief Minister
>>>>>>>> Narendra
>>>>>>>>> Modi's
>>>>>>>>>> critics, the committee's comparative statewise statistics of
>>>>>>>> parameters
>>>>>>>>>> like education, employment and income of the Muslim
>>> population
>>>>>>>> living
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> the country proves Gujarat is far ahead of other states, even
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> ruled
>>>>>>>>>> by so-called secular parties.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In terms of literacy, Muslims in Gujarat stood at 73.5% as
>>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> national average of 59.1. The figure for urban males is 76,
>>> and
>>> 81
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> those in rural areas as compared to the national average of
>>> 70
>>> and
>>>>>>>> 62
>>>>>>>>>> respectively in similar categories.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The average literacy rate of Muslim women in urban Gujarat is
>>> five
>>>>>>>> points
>>>>>>>>>> higher than the national average, whereas those in rural
>>> Gujarat
>>>>>>>> fare
>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> better with a literacy rate of 57 per cent as compared to the
>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>>>> average of 43.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A greater percentage of Muslims here have attained primary,
>>>>>>>> secondary
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> higher-secondary level education. The national average is
>>> 60.9%.
>>>>>>>> Muslim
>>>>>>>>>> children in Gujarat are benefiting from equal opportunities
>>> to
>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>>> secondary schooling as other children.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Take other aspect of economic well-being of Muslims in
>>> Gujarat.
>>>>>>>> Here
>>>>>>>>> also,
>>>>>>>>>> the Sachar Committee dispels the myth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The report counters the propaganda that injustice is being
>>> done
>>> to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Muslim community in Gujarat
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The per month per capita income of Muslims in urban Gujarat
>>> is
>>> an
>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>> Rs 875 â more than the national average of Rs 804. In
>>> contrast,
>>> it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> Rs
>>>>>>>>>> 662 in UP, Rs 748 in West Bengal, Rs 811 in Punjab, Rs 803 in
>>>>>>>> Andhra
>>>>>>>>>> Pradesh and Rs 837 in Karnataka.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In rural Gujarat, the per capita monthly income of Muslims is
>>>>>>>> 20-25%
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> than the Muslims living in rural areas of most other states.
>>> On
>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> average, it comes to Rs 668 compared to the national average
>>> of
>>> Rs
>>>>>>>> 553.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In terms of Muslims living below poverty line, Gujarat
>>> improved
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> 54%
>>>>>>>>>> in 1987-88 to 34% in 2004-2005, showing a healthy pace of
>>>>>>>> improvement.
>>>>>>>>>> Even in terms of share of Muslims in state employment, it is
>>> 5.4%
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Gujarat while it is 2.1% in West Bengal, 3.2% in Delhi and
>>> 4.4%
>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Maharashtra.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Overall, the total picture counters the propaganda that
>>> injustice
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> done to Muslims in Gujarat. The Sachar Committee on
>>> educational
>>>>>>>> condition
>>>>>>>>>> clearly shows that the Muslims of Gujarat are progressing
>>> well
>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> field of education and economic well-being. They are well
>>> cared
>>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>> facts on their economic conditions dispel similar myths about
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> discriminated against or being denied equal opportunity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The fact is echoed by the Imam of Jama Masjid in Ahmedabad,
>>> who
>>>>>>>>> reportedly
>>>>>>>>>> commented sometime back "Muslims have an opportunity to
>>> prosper
>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> peaceful environment that the Modi government has created.
>>> Modi
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> provided an atmosphere which is conducive for those who want
>>> to
>>>>>>>> trade
>>>>>>>>>> peacefully in Gujarat".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Sachar report indirectly challenges other states to
>>> emulate
>>>>>>>> Modi's
>>>>>>>>>> policy of secular development and ânationalise' it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ironically, vociferous secularists are silent regarding the
>>>>>>>> findings.
>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>> continue to focus on Modi-1 as branded during the 2002
>>> carnage
>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Sohrabuddin encounter â a chief minister habitually noted to
>>>>>>>> dishonour
>>>>>>>>>> the rule of law, a friend of corporate magnets to the
>>> detriment
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> villagers and SEZ-affected disadvantaged.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, there is popularly a more accepted Modi-2 â a
>>> dynamic
>>> CM
>>>>>>>>>> realising the Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor, the Special
>>>>>>>> Investment
>>>>>>>>>> Regions, port-based development, âHopenhagen', BRTS, GDP, and
>>> much
>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But the two Modis fail to merge as some anti-Modi ideologues
>>>>>>>> refuse
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> discern the significant transformation in his leadership.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can Modi, hubris-free, demonstrate his transformation to
>>> abridge
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> perception-reality gap?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Source Link:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
> http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/article/59/20100527201005270359478766a84c375/
> Gujarat%E2%80%99s-secular-development.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>> Dr. Britta Ohm
>>>>>
>>>>> Institute of Social Anthropology
>>>>> University of Bern
>>>>> Laenggassstr. 49a
>>>>> 3012 Bern
>>>>> Switzerland
>>>>> +41-(0)31-631 8995 (main office)
>>>>> +41-(0)31-631 8997 (direct line)
>>>>> britta.ohm at anthro.unibe.ch
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>>>>> ohm at zedat.fu-berlin.de
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Rajen.
>>
>
>

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