[Reader-list] UK bans radical preacher Zakir Naik from entering UK

Sat Jun 19 23:18:04 IST 2010

Well, banning of thoughts is not the answer, instead, spread the good words,
whether geetha, Bible or Quran, they are ancient wisdom for the way of life
for humanity, not to fight which is better, but to live life of harmony and
peace in mankind, the fact is humanity likes peace whereas a small set of
individuals who preach the script, use the details to spread devil in
society for their gains in all these faiths, as against the ethical moral
values inculcating in the society by the scirpts and good words, it is the
details of dos and donts of the scripts and the details which are devilis in
society.
All faiths are way of lives in the journey of life to show the way about the
truth of sufferings, the reasons of sufferings, to means of avoidance of
sufferings and cessation of sufferings by practise of good faith by
individuals, but the followers who promise heaven of virgins or the only
heaven of the saviour forget that GOD is one concept open to different
interpretations according to intellect of the individual, the choice being
that of individual, why the faith should have any role in democratic rule of
laws is the disturbing dilemma for a common citizen like me.
love and regards,
rajen.

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good that you sent those links. As I said earlier, I don't like Naik
> myself.
> But what do you think about his definition of terrorism (and I am talking
> about Islam v/s West terrorism). If America has its justification for
> killing millions of innocents and destroying Iraq and Afghanistan (now for
> the new found 3-trillion dollar lithium in Afgh too), the other side has
> its
> justification for the terror too. People like Zakir Naik are really the
> small fish compared to American arrogance and greed for more. No wonder UK
> doesn't allow him to come close.
>
> But once again, I am not justifying the killing, destruction and
> displacement of the innocents by anyone in any situation.
>
> Thanks
>
> Javed
>
> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Did Zakir Naik say "Every Muslim should be a terrorist"? There iseems to
> be
> > video evidence available.
> >
> > Please see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxk5AAA5FbI
> >
> > The transcript quoted in The Guardian is accurate.
> >
> >  “Beware of Muslims saying Osama Bin Laden is right or wrong. I reject
> them
> > … we don’t know.
> >
> > “But if you ask my view, if given the truth, if he is fighting the
> enemies
> > of Islam, I am for him. I don’t know what he’s doing. I’m not in touch
> with
> > him. I don’t know him personally. I read the newspaper.
> >
> > “If he is terrorising the terrorists, if he is terrorising America the
> > terrorist, the biggest terrorist, every Muslim should be a terrorist.”
> >
> > Zakir Naik has many 'interesting' things to say.
> >
> > His recent appearance on NDTV in Barkha Dutt's show was not to his
> liking.
> > Naik presents an interesting analysis (from the little I watched) spread
> > over 25 video files starting with
> >
> http://www.youtube.com/shahadahproject#p/c/51EDB13BC5C647F5/0/ZJ29c_uFrbA
> >
> >
> > Kshmendra
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On *Sat, 6/19/10, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] UK bans radical preacher Zakir Naik from
> > entering UK
> > To: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Date: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 3:09 PM
> >
> >
> > Great. So I hope you will also post messages that show "that
> > particular" thought about other religions too (and not only Islam),
> > since every wrong deed needs to be criticized and questioned. You
> > didn't comment about the fact that Zakir Naik's TV channel is Peace TV
> > and he advocates peace.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com<
> http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pawan.durani@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Javed,
> > >
> > > I appreciate your mail and your thoughts , however I would like to
> > > clarify that I have nothing against any religion .
> > >
> > > I am just anti the particular thought , which also made an entire race
> > > of 7 lac homeless , who live as refugees since last 20 years.
> > >
> > > It is just that particular thought process that I hate , which is
> > > spreading like epidemic.
> > >
> > > I hope I have made myself clear. We would need more people like you to
> > > contain that particular thinking.
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > Pawan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com<
> http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=javedmasoo@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >> Pawan, although I think Zakir Naik should be banned from entering or
> > >> exiting from any where, but I don't think he ever said "every Muslim
> > >> should be a terrorist". His channel is called Peace TV and he does
> > >> talk most of the times about Islam being a peaceful religion (although
> > >> I may not agree to most of what he preaches). But I think this
> > >> Telegraph report is highly biased and wrong in quoting him this way.
> > >>
> > >> I think your food doesn't get digested until you have posted thirteen
> > >> anti-Islam messages everyday. Eh?
> > >>
> > >> Javed
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Pawan Durani <
> pawan.durani at gmail.com<
> http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pawan.durani@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >>> "A radical preacher who claimed that “every Muslim should be a
> > >>> terrorist” has been banned from coming to Britain,"
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7836557/Home-secretary-Theresa-May-bans-radical-preacher-Zakir-Naik-from-entering-UK.html
> > >>>
> > >>> n her first major test of being tough on extremism, Theresa May, the
> > >>> new Home Secretary, said she was banning Zakir Naik from entering the
> > >>> UK.
> > >>> Dr Naik, a 44-year-old Indian televangelist, had been due to give a
> > >>> series of lectures at arenas in Wembley Arena and Sheffield.
> > >>>
> > >>> The Home Secretary can exclude or deport an individual if she thinks
> > >>> that their presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good.
> > >>> There had been speculation that Dr Naik would be allowed into the UK.
> > >>> However Mrs May said she was excluding him because of the “numerous
> > >>> comments” he made were evidence of his “unacceptable behaviour”.
> > >>> This behaviour applies to anyone who writes or publishes material
> > >>> which can “foment justify or glorify terrorist violence” or “seek to
> > >>> provoke others to terrorist acts”.
> > >>> Mrs May told The Daily Telegraph: “I have excluded Dr Naik from the
> > >>> UK. Numerous comments made by Dr Naik are evidence to me of his
> > >>> unacceptable behaviour.
> > >>> “Coming to the UK is a privilege not a right and I am not wiling to
> > >>> allow those who might not be conducive to the public good to enter
> the
> > >>> UK.
> > >>> “Exclusion powers are very serious and no decision is taken lightly
> or
> > >>> as a method of stopping open debate on issues.”
> > >>> Home Office sources said Dr Naik had been filmed on a website making
> > >>> inflammatory comments such as “every Muslim should be a terrorist”.
> > >>> He said: “When a robber sees a policeman he’s terrified. So for a
> > >>> robber, a policeman is a terrorist. So in this context, every Muslim
> > >>> should be a terrorist to the robber.”
> > >>> He has also been filmed saying: “There are many Jews who are good to
> > >>> Muslims, but as a whole … The Koran tells us, as a whole, they will
> be
> > >>> our staunchest enemy.”
> > >>> In a web posting from 2006 he said: “Beware of Muslims saying Osama
> > >>> Bin Laden is right or wrong. I reject them … we don’t know.
> > >>> “But if you ask my view, if given the truth, if he is fighting the
> > >>> enemies of Islam, I am for him. I don’t know what he’s doing. I’m not
> > >>> in touch with him. I don’t know him personally. I read the newspaper.
> > >>> “If he is terrorising the terrorists, if he is terrorising America
> the
> > >>> terrorist, the biggest terrorist, every Muslim should be a
> terrorist.”
> > >>> He is also reported to have said suggested that western women make
> > >>> themselves “more susceptible to rape” by wearing revealing clothing.
> > >>> He reportedly said: “Western society has actually degraded [women] to
> > >>> the status of concubines, mistresses and social butterflies, who are
> > >>> mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers”
> > >>> Last night Patrick Mercer MP, the former chairman of the Commons
> > >>> counter-terrorism committee, said: “This is really good news. It
> shows
> > >>> that firm Government action can be taken against people.
> > >>> "This is exactly the sort of man who we want to exclude from this
> > country.”
> > >>> Dr Naik has been named as the third most popular spiritual guru in
> > >>> India and was judged in 2009 to be 82nd in a list of India’s most
> > >>> powerful people.
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Rajen.