[Reader-list] Taliban is the future

Fri Mar 12 00:44:55 IST 2010

It is obviously not for India to say if Pk is credible on pipelinistan,
until it comes to the iran-pk-india gas pipeline, in which case there is
enough trust between the governments to go ahead. skeptics are skeptics. and
cold warriors cold warriors. but then kabir is kabir. hadd unhadd.

so obviously a different framework is required from the policy we've had of
a border as wall, not that it has to follow kabir. isi can react at will.

sorry i havent followed the water policy closely, apparently its under
re-negotiation, like other things, which can't be bad. i suggest you make a
trip, even though i do not know what you do. hope the visa situation relaxes
soon.

best
yasir

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>wrote:

>  Dear Yasir
>
> You did name India amongst the countries "stoking the fires .......... in
> the border regions of baluchistan and nwfp/f "
>
> If India did it in past/present/future, how would one answer the question
> "Isnt India justified in doing it as a counter to Pakistan (State or
> Non-State-Actors) stoking Islamic and Seperatist fires in India?"
>
> As far as 'pipelinistan' is concerned, I am of the belief that it would be
> foolish of India to receive 'gas' routed through Pakistan if interruption of
> such supplies will have any significantly adverse economic impact in India.
>
> Some plainspeaking. It is not only the threat of disruption of supplies by
> violent elements in Pakistan who do not want such a supply line to go
> through to India, but the larger issue of whether Pakistan can be trusted
> not to play dirty.
>
> Inspite of the propaganda against India in connection with the Indus Water
> Treaty, there is no credible evidence that India has stopped flow of waters
> to Pakistan at any time including when they were at war with each other.
>
> *Pakistan’s Indus Water Commissioner Jamaat Ali Shah has this to say "*Apart
> from the Baglihar dam, neither Pakistan nor India has had problems with the
> Indus Water Treaty."
>
> (When I watched the interview on DAWN TV, his exact words were "India has
> never stopped the flow of waters")
>
> It is an excellent interview where Shah talks of the nature of concerns
> Pakistan has had and is likely to have by the very form of the Indus Water
> treaty.
>
> http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/world/02-jamaat-shah-02
>
> Did I say it already? Let me repeat it. Pakistan is not to be trusted on
> "pipelinistan".
>
> Pakistan is not to be trusted. Period.
>
> Kshmendra
>
> (there is some sort of a personal sadness in all of this for me ..... some
> friends from pakistan i dearly love ........ some music from pakistan that
> feeds my soul)
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 3/11/10, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Taliban is the future
> To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 2:19 AM
>
> i forgot iran but its definitely there, but those links are more explicit:
> there is a border with iran! and a baluchi population on either side which
> is sunni...
> i hope you dont think it is a random list. I dont have to go by what is
> said
> on tv or in the papers, kk. and so i would be skeptical of the ttp-india
> link if someone is mouthing it on tv. but think pipelinistan (and everone's
> got their own map of pipes) , think central asia, and china, saudi
> influence
> in the region, and china & russia hovering, uzbekistan having kickbed out
> the americans, bbc and rfe ...the stakes get higher and people get
> meddlesome. I have said nothing about india. its very common for ministers
> &
> officials  to point to raw like you do to isi. i am sure its all true__ :)
> soon we'll have a pipline running from iran to india via pk :)
>
> best
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kshmendra2005@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
>
> >  Dear Yasir
> >
> > Not 'writing from across the border'. So no 'border-glasses'. On the
> > contrary, mine might be broader-glasses.
> >
> > I would like to believe that I have greater objectivity regarding both
> > Pakistan and India as compared to most who are living in either country.
> >
> > This comment of yours was interesting - " foreign entities and money incl
> > china, russia, US, saudi, india, are all stoking the fires to thwart each
> > others' regional agendas in the border regions of baluchistan and
> nwfp/fata"
> >
> > Have heard that mouthed very often in/on Pakistani Media. You forgot to
> > mention Iran (especially wrt Balochistan).
> >
> > These days one often hears Pakistanis claiming that TTP (
> Tehrik-i-Taliban
> > Pakistan) is borne/reared/nurtured/promoted/financed by India.
> >
> > Kshmendra
> >
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 3/9/10, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yasir.media@gmail.com>>*
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=yasir.media@gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Taliban is the future
> > To: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net<http://us.mc572.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=reader-list@sarai.net>
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 9:12 PM
> >
> > 1. Hamid Gul is a cold warrior, with an islamist pov. always interesting
> to
> > hear. yet he and his views have been marginalized in pk. let us us say it
> > is
> > the end of the zia era.
> >
> > 2. pk and afg are very different entities. while taliban are making a
> quiet
> > come back in afg, even they themselves are not supporting the pk-taliban
> as
> > this would sour their relations with pk. besides the pk-talibs are either
> > being massacred or disappearing to resurface at some point later, the
> > moment
> > in northwest-pk. so this can be dicey for that region only ie fata. there
> > is
> > no such problem for the rest of the country. foreign entities and money
> > incl
> > china, russia, US, saudi, india, are all stoking the fires to thwart each
> > others' regional agendas in the border regions of baluchistan and
> nwfp/fata
> > - a fact of life at the moment. but the country seems to have regained
> some
> > agency of itself with upsurge in popular sentiment and pressure on govt
> > since the lawyers movement and the last elections. a good point for
> > negotiations with india for instance, to streamline our own common
> regional
> > agendas, which are overdue since at least partition, actually much
> > before...
> >
> > 3. pk-taliban or their views, in fact islamist views are definitely on
> the
> > margin in pk at the moment. so i totally disagree with KK (who is writing
> > fron across the border wearing border-glasses), and agree with pawan,
> that
> > the common enemy are the islamists in afg/pk/and hardly so (ie totally
> > overblown) in india, where too, just like us, they love to make a circus
> > out
> > of it. lets hope the common bonds are stronger than the hate, of which
> > there
> > has been enough.
> >
> > best, y
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