[Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in mock anti-terror drill

Mon Mar 15 19:02:32 IST 2010

"And what a convenient subject line made aptly for Sarai . This is how
'Liberals' are used by Javed and others."

And

“Yes Yes .. Let us blame Modi for this.”

Are you ready to own these two statements made on this list, Pawan?
Who stirred communal passions here Pawan. Who? Is it javed’s fault
that despite so many assurances given by the government, proposals of
Muslim quota (that gathers flak from you people in various ways), a
simple mock drill is symbolically saying things about Gujarat police
in the way it shouldn’t have? How long do you guys plan to run away
from realities of policing in India?

Before, any of you talk about the mindset of Gujarat police, there
have been officers who have gone out of their way in 2002 and
post-2002 Gujarat to stop the communal nonsense that goes on here. I
agree there have been bad examples but NOT all the officials in
Gujarat police have that kind of a mindset. This is from a personal
experience of being here and reporting incidents from here. I would
request the list members not to jump into conclusions. One line of
investigating this would be to find out whether there are mock drill
manuals for such forces.

Any former police officials in this group would make our lives easier
if one could post a comment or two on whether there are mock drill
manuals followed during such operations.

-Anupam

On 3/15/10, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anupam ,
>
> So why make it a a Hindu Vs Muslim issue ? The message if intended
> about reform in Indian Police must be welcomed.
>
> But not the way Javed did. And it is not the first time he has done so.
>
> Pawan
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 6:33 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> What would you call if a Hindu were killed in such a fake encounter? I
>> would say even Hindus are not spared in fake encounters in gujarat. I
>> can see the fervour with which a bunch hooligans lurking on this list,
>> carry out sporadic attacks on Muslim members of the list without ever
>> pondering over the issues being discussed here in a pragmatic manner.
>> Most of the arguments are extremely racist and I find it disgusting to
>> read such. The intention of posting the news item was not for your
>> benefit or score a brownie point over a communal battle. It is show
>> the mindset with which police forces, that they need to understand
>> their roles as watchdogs is what I gather from the news item. I thank
>> Javed for posting this. If not for anything else, let there be a
>> debate about reforms to be carried in policing.
>>
>> On 3/15/10, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you Kshemendra ,
>>>
>>> I hope the moderators of SARAI would look into how this forum is misused
>>> .
>>>
>>> Indeed when we type Gujarat Muslim DCP Muslim inspector the only
>>> 'proof' we get is Javed's posting on SARAI.
>>>
>>> And this is not the first time Javed has done that . I had tried to
>>> convince the readers earlier as well .
>>>
>>> Hope the moderators look into this and prevent misuse of Forum which
>>> has members from across the world.
>>>
>>> @Javed : you need to apologize to this group for your deliberate mischief
>>> .
>>>
>>> Pawan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Javed very keenly identifies the ATS Inspector as a 'Muslim' and places
>>>> in
>>>> the Subject Field " Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector "
>>>>
>>>> The word "Muslim" is nowhere to be found on the very weblink of the
>>>> article as provided by Javed himself.
>>>>
>>>> Not satisfied with having done so, Javed adds the comment  "Even Muslim
>>>> police officers are not safe from fake encounters...." (not to be found
>>>> on
>>>> the weblink provided by Javed)
>>>>
>>>> One would have to be quite idiotic to not recognise Javed's intentions
>>>> in
>>>> making the incident "communal". Whatever be the actual 'story' behind
>>>> the
>>>> incident, as of now, there no reports of it having a "communal"
>>>> background.
>>>>
>>>> It is quite likely that the "Muslimness" of the ATS Inspector will get
>>>> mentioned and highlighted in further reporting of the incident and
>>>> commentaries on it. There are many Javed's around to do that. But Javed
>>>> of
>>>> SARAI "Reader List" will have the honour of being the first one to do
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> This should please the Moderator(s) of SARAI Reader List.
>>>>
>>>> I just did a string-search for gujarat-dcp-muslim-inspector. It only
>>>> throws up Javed's  SARAI Reader List mail. Oh Yes! Also a webpage from a
>>>> site called coastaldigest.com with obvious ideological leanings
>>>>
>>>> Kshmendra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan Husain dan.ayyaar at gmail.com
>>>> Mon Mar 15
>>>> Javed's intent, even if to sensationalize the event, is less harmful
>>>> then
>>>> actually shooting a man twice for no fault of his. And it is most
>>>> important
>>>> to tackle the intent of the man with a loaded gun shooting at innocent
>>>> people. Whoever that man be. And if he is a functionary of the state
>>>> then
>>>> it
>>>> becomes even more imperative to tackle it. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
>>>> Mon Mar 15
>>>> Dear C.Anupam ,
>>>>
>>>> Did I say that any line has been said about Modi.
>>>>
>>>> Would you google this news and check the subject line which has come
>>>> in newspapers .
>>>>
>>>> ATS inspector injured by bullet during mock drill  : PTI
>>>>
>>>> Gujarat DCP shoots cop during mock-drill  : Indian Express
>>>>
>>>> Drill that mocked precautions & exposed inadequacies : Times Of India
>>>>
>>>> And then you have a subject line in SARAI ,as follows
>>>>
>>>> Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in mock anti-terror drill :
>>>> Reader-List - SARAI
>>>>
>>>> If you do not understand the intent of Javed's mail, then i regret of
>>>> trying to eductae you on his intent.
>>>>
>>>> No more discussion on this from my side . Those who wish to ignore my
>>>> suggestions may continue to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Remember ...till they come marching to your door.
>>>>
>>>> Pawan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Dan Husain <dan.ayyaar at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in
>>>> mock anti-terror drill
>>>> To:
>>>> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 3:48 PM
>>>>
>>>> Dear Pawan:
>>>>
>>>> I seldom respond on this list. But I think your response is most
>>>> flippant,
>>>> insensitive, callous, off the cuff, prejudiced, and most of all
>>>> laughable.
>>>> Think of it. It's like a nightmare. You go for a drill, perfectly
>>>> planned
>>>> out, everyone presumably knowing their roles, and suddenly you get shot
>>>> twice in your stomach. What for? For what reason? Why? The guy was just
>>>> doing his job. And he gets shot! Bizarre! Absolute nightmare. This is
>>>> outrageous. I am sure no one would like to live this experience. And
>>>> when
>>>> there were clear instructions that no arms to be taken in, why was the
>>>> DCP
>>>> carrying a loaded gun. And if he was why would he shoot someone that too
>>>> twice. My mind belies any accident.
>>>>
>>>> And I wonder what would turn you so blind that you'd eagerly defend the
>>>> wrong too. I don't think anyone will like to be shot at for no fault of
>>>> theirs. And yes if proven that the DCP shot at the guy with malice and
>>>> for
>>>> his religious identity then Modi is to be blamed because he has actively
>>>> encouraged this mindset.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Danish
>>>>
>>>> PS: Please respond to this mailing list and not to me personally.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
>>>> Mon Mar 15
>>>>
>>>> Pawan,
>>>>
>>>> Not single line has been said against modi or BJP. Why are you
>>>> assuming? On what grounds?  On the other hand, if these things are not
>>>> brought towards the notice of the machinery which is at work, there
>>>> will be more such Saiyads dying in this way.
>>>>
>>>> It is unfortunate that you are diverting the focus of the debate,
>>>> which should discuss things about police reforms across the country to
>>>> a political issue. You are absolutely wrong about Javed's intention to
>>>> post this news item and also using Narendra Modi to make a point here.
>>>>
>>>> Anupam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
>>>> Mon Mar 15
>>>>
>>>> And what a convenient subject line made aptly for Sarai . This is how
>>>> 'Liberals' are used by Javed and others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Pawan Durani
>>>> <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes Yes .. Let us blame Modi for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > ‘Sir, don’t... I am not a terrorist,’ pleaded ATS inspector as DCP
>>>>> > shot him twice
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Even Muslim police officers are not safe from fake encounters....
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Surat: Posted: Sunday , Mar 14, 2010 at 0319 hrs
>>>>> >
>>>>> > “Sir, don’t... I am not a terrorist.”
>>>>> > This is what Gujarat Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) inspector Shabbirali
>>>>> > Saiyed says he had shouted, just before Deputy Commissioner of Police
>>>>> > Subhash Trivedi shot him twice in the abdomen from point blank range
>>>>> > during the mock anti-terror drill that went haywire at the Surat
>>>>> > Airport on February 24.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Saiyed still cannot comprehend how and why he was shot by the senior
>>>>> > officer. No officer was supposed to carry or use live arms and
>>>>> > ammunition. That apart, Saiyed told The Sunday Express that the
>>>>> > entire
>>>>> > drill had been meticulously planned, including the exact role each
>>>>> > cop
>>>>> > would play. “All the officials in the drill had been briefed
>>>>> > thoroughly about the role of each. I was to be only an observer
>>>>> > tasked
>>>>> > to find out what mistakes the commandos and other officials commit
>>>>> > during rescue operations.”
>>>>> >
>>>>> > DCP Subhash Trivedi, SP Barot of ATS and a few other officers were
>>>>> > tasked to act as doctors and rush to a bus in the parking lot of the
>>>>> > airport in which some officials acting as terrorists were holding
>>>>> > ‘passengers’ hostage.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Saiyed recalled: “Subhash Trivedi rushed to the bus and caught hold
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > me tightly, though I was supposed to be only an obeserver. I pleaded,
>>>>> > “Sir , don’t... I am not a terrorist, I am the observer.” But he
>>>>> > refused to let go of me and we had a scuffle. I was left struggling
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > get out of his clutches when he pulled out his service revolver and
>>>>> > opened fire, from point blank range. I fell and lost consciousness.”
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The .38 calibre bullet entered through his stomach and exited. Saiyed
>>>>> > is still to recover but is now out of danger.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Interestingly, the DCP, according to Saiyed, was not even tasked to
>>>>> > take on or grapple with any ‘terrorist’ in the drill, since he was
>>>>> > acting as a member of a team of ‘doctors’ at the spot who would only
>>>>> > recce the scene to find out how many hostages and terrorists were in
>>>>> > the bus. “He was to have only ascertained their numbers to pass on
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > information to the others in the actual rescue team, so that they
>>>>> > could plan and execute the operation,” according to Inspector Saiyed.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Surat police Commisioner Shivanand Jha confirmed it. “Saiyed was
>>>>> > deputed as an observer on the spot. He was standing near the entry
>>>>> > door of bus. DCP Subhash Trivedi was tasked to act as a doctor to
>>>>> > recce the scene and find out how many hostages were being held by how
>>>>> > many terrorists, and the weapons they possessed.” The ‘doctor’,
>>>>> > apparently, was not expected to carry any weapon, much less a loaded
>>>>> > service revolver.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So what went horribly wrong? The police claim they have no answers to
>>>>> > share, yet. “We are still doing a free and fair investigation. At
>>>>> > this
>>>>> > moment it is difficult to come to any conclusion. We have taken the
>>>>> > statements of several airport staff who were also present there and
>>>>> > statements of several police officials who witnessed the incident,”
>>>>> > Jha said.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > When The Sunday Express contacted Trivedi, he refused to comment.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The investigation is being headed by Jha’s deputy and ATS chief Ajay
>>>>> > Tomar. A complaint was registered at Umra police station soon after
>>>>> > Saiyed was shot while state DGP S S Khandwawala directed Tomar to
>>>>> > carry out a departmental inquiry.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > “After preliminary investigations, we have found that the incident
>>>>> > was
>>>>> > an accident and the firing had not been done deliberately. But we are
>>>>> > waiting for the final report and the report from ballistic experts
>>>>> > before coming to any conclusion,” said Khandwawala. Asked if an FIR
>>>>> > would be registered against DCP Trivedi, Khandwawala said: “Let the
>>>>> > report come and later, on its basis, we will take further action.
>>>>> > Both
>>>>> > the officials are from police department _ they are not some
>>>>> > criminals
>>>>> > _ so it is premature to say anything at this juncture.”
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sir-dont...-i-am-not-a-terrorist-pleaded-ats-inspector-as-dcp-shot-him-twice/590554/0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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