[Reader-list] Nigeria:Massacre Of 500 Christians

Wed Mar 17 13:08:11 IST 2010

Dear all revered members of the reader list, my only expression about the
list is it is becoming more and more "listless" when it ventures in to sane
discussions. This may appear to some of you as gross generalisation, but
well, that is my perception and I have regrets in expressing it.

CSDS an iniative which has studies of developing societies should have have
a media collective, which would reflect the various opinions of the
developing socieities ---
   has an inmporant role in molding opinions for good of the developing
society, in particular Indian society, which is perhaps only one of its kind
of a society which has diverse cultires, faiths, languages and religions,
(organised faiths) cuisines, which are basically, for unity in diversity, so
also these different varieties of facets of living life should be cohesive
to bond unity in society than divisive agendas of cote banks. In the comity
of nations, all nations of societies, which are diverse, different but the
ones that we see in other nations have witnessed democracies ruled by
autocrats of organised faiths, dictatorships in nations with religious
theocracy ruling the national society, all have resulted in failed
governance including the rule of atheism combined with socialism and left
idealogy which again created classes of masses, ruling and ruled masses.!

List is becoming listless primarily because the fervent efforts by some ids
to dominate the list with the agendas of assertion of organised faiths, not
tolreating the thoughts of any good for the society.
If one thought pertains to the food security, it is disgusting to see the
"ontellect" of the list never even have a cursory thought on this issue
which affects the poorest of the poor ofthe society, just as the middle
class and the list and its moderator seems busy in personal attacks and
showing off his verbal excellance at ridicule.!

As to way of lifes, all faiths present different ways of life to live the
life with intellect being used to have better of material lives, tempered
with intellect and spiritual approach or to use the jargon, "holistic." Any
individual who does not recognise the society that he lives in, the nation
that sjeltors him is a joke on society as walking and talking republic in
the nation, a parasite. 21sr century has given more importance to
"individual " rights but individuals seem to forget that when they exercise
these rights they can not infringe on the rights of others, individuals in
the society, for then it means they do not have any respect for their
individual duties. !

The system also, helps itself by keeping the like of CSDS and other
"centres" for its own need to control the individuals in society, first by
generating the verbal attack on dissent, next by grants and aids to
individuals who are in these centres, so that these alsways tow the line in
line with the system, generate public opinion, nay, mass hysteria when
needed, so that system can always be inert, resist change, and those
individuals in these centres and many other NGOs have an agenda of assisting
the system by sheltoring the deviants in society, defending the criminal
acts of the individuals if they are of the organised faith, defend them in
courts of law with funds extended by faith and the system so that blasts
accused are safe, with appeals, attack any political leader if he /she is
not in line with the corrupt system.Ofcourse these "centres" are percieved
as "honest" and sincere in the studies of societies, but if one scratches
the surface, average intellect can percieve that these centres have their
agenda of toppling the rule of laws, bring in the rule of select leaders who
talk of socialism but live with seven star deluxe life.!

So, "change"
 when any individual yearns for, is hard to come by, as the system has
inertia, individuals
do not, are not amenable to change for good of the society, some
intellectuals want change as they percieve it, not as the society needs it.!

With respectsful, Regards,

rajen.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 12:25 PM, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Happy Navreh Pawan.  The point of my last intervention was that it was NOT
> about religious extremism.  As for your exchange with Javed and others I
> can
> only say that I was dismayed by the personal nature of the attacks and
> quite
> frankly I stopped reading the posts after a while.  If you ask me what I
> think happened in the mock drill, I believe there are only 2
> possibilities--
> this is because I happen to be trained in firearms- one, the DCP was stark
> raving mad or two, he intended to cause grievous injury.  I cannot believe
> it was an accident.  Even a novice trainee in handguns would not point with
> a loaded gun let alone shoot.  BTW the gun must be cocked to be able to
> fire.  Then the safety catch must be released.  That the DCP had a loaded
> weapon and then managed to do both things is astonishing.  Anyway, we will
> know the truth sooner or later.
>
>
> > From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:09:05 +0530
> > To: "S. Jabbar" <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Nigeria:Massacre Of 500 Christians
>  >
> > Hello Sonia ,
> >
> > Belated Navreh Wishes
> >
> > Thank you for the information shared. Any life lost because of
> > religious extremism is condemnable.
> >
> > I have shared the source .
> >
> > Since you have expressed your views on my posting , i would like to
> > know from you whether my protest on Javeds post was justified.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Pawan
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:41 AM, S. Jabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Any further doubts should be cleared by this:
> >>
> >> Vatican: Nigeria violence not due to religion
> >>
> >> 3/8/2010, 9:07 a.m. EST
> >> ar/fd
> >> The Associated Press
> >> (AP) ‹ VATICAN CITY - The Vatican says that economic and social reasons,
> not
> >> religious hatred, are behind violence in Nigeria that has killed more
> than
> >> 200 people.
> >>
> >> The violence Sunday took place in three mostly Christian villages.
> >>
> >> Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi condemned the violence and
> said
> >> Monday that the conflict must be interpreted in the light of social,
> >> economic, ethnic and cultural factors rather than religious hatred.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Lombardi cited an interview by Archbishop John Onaiyekan of Abuja,
> Nigeria,
> >> in which he said the clashes resulted from conflict between Muslim
> shepherds
> >> and Christian farmers. The archbishop told Vatican Radio that the
> killings
> >> weren't due to religion.
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
> >>> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:09:16 +0530
> >>> To: reader-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >>> Subject: [Reader-list] Nigeria:Massacre Of 500 Christians
> >>>
> >>> Source
> >>> :
> >>
> http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/nigeriamassacre-of-500-christians
> >>> -by-muslims/
> >>
> >> CHANNEL 4 NEWS LAST NIGHT- SHOWED HUNDREDS OF BODIES PILED UP-
> >>> CHILDREN AND
> >> WOMEN WERE THE HIGHEST IN NUMBERS- BUT INCLUDED MEN TOO- THE
> >>> MUSLIMS HAD
> >> BEEN SHOOTING GUNS INTO THE AIR- WHEN THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN RAN
> >>> OUT ONTO
> >> THE STREETS THE MUSLIMS ARMED WITH SWORDS AND MACHETI¹S CUT THEM
> >>> DOWN- IT
> >> WAS DESCRIBED AS A MASSACRE!!
> >>
> >> 10,000 Christians have been
> >>> slaughtered by Muslims in the past four years.
> >> And Barack Obama says
> >>> nothing.
> >> Violence against Christians by Muslims in Jos in central Nigeria site
> >>> has
> >> more than one hundred deaths. Sectarian violence in the region in
> >>> January,
> >> took hundreds of lives. The Christian villagers were massacred with
> >>> machetes
> >> and then put in fire.
> >>
> >> A witness who visited the village after the
> >>> massacre reported that there
> >> were hundreds of bodies in stacked layers.
> >>
> >> The
> >>> Muslim attackers came from the surrounding hills and attacked the
> >> sleeping
> >>> villagers, took them from their homes and slaughtered them with
> >> machetes. Jos
> >>> is located on the border of the Muslim north and predominantly
> >> Christian
> >>> southern Nigeria and is regularly the scene of religious
> >>> riots.
> >> LINK
> >>
> >> Approximately 140 million people inhabit Nigeria, the most
> >>> populated country
> >> in Africa. The country is divided by ethnic and religious
> >>> differences. 60%
> >> of the population is Muslim living mostly in the North of the
> >>> country.
> >> Christians mainly inhabit the South. The introduction of the Sharia
> >>> law 10
> >> years ago in 12 states provoked a series of riots throughout the
> >>> country. In
> >> August 2004 the Islamic government in the Zamfara state threatened
> >>> to
> >> demolish all churches considered as illegal structures, close all
> >>> businesses
> >> belonging to Christians during Muslim prayers, and enforce a new
> >>> law against
> >> clothing that is not compliant with Islamic
> >>> law.
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Rajen.