[Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in mockanti-terror drill

Sun Mar 21 11:38:20 IST 2010

Dear Kshmendra,

I strongly recommend breathing exercises for you to understand post
structural and structural debate. As for my moral and ethical courage,
such things do not apply to me. I am not the Prime Minister here.
These are really big words.

-Anupam

On 3/20/10, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Tara
>
> Such a mail, as this one from you, makes it worthwhile for me to continue
> stalking this List.
>
> Uneducated as I am in these terms such as 'binaries' and 'structuralism', a
> mail like yours provides me leads to read a bit, understand a bit. And when
> a 'case study' in context is highlighted (as you have), it gives me an
> excellently helpful start.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kshmendra
>
> --- On Thu, 3/18/10, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in
> mockanti-terror drill
> To: "Kshmendra Kaul" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>, "anupam chakravartty"
> <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 8:38 PM
>
>
> This is how binaries operate. Whatever I am not, is You.
>
> Structuralism only knows binaries. It recognizes structures, not
> individuals. You can either be pro-muslim or anti-muslim, if you want me to
> put this explanation in this context. Whoever is not pro-muslim is
> anti-muslim. So now you know you are not Kshmendra, you represent a
> structure.
>
> For a lot of individuals, 1960s are yet to happen.
>
> Good luck
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kshmendra Kaul"
> <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> To: "anupam chakravartty" <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in
> mockanti-terror drill
>
>
>> Dear Anupam
>>
>> You wrote : " will you approach moderators or launch a tirade against me
>> like how you are
>> acting with Dan Hussain and Javed?"
>>
>> Javed? Yes! Dan Hussain? No!
>>
>> Will you please tell me where I have addressed Dan Hussain or mentioned
>> Dan Hussain or commented upon anything that Dan Hussain wrote?
>>
>> NOWHERE.
>>
>> And that is exactly where you go with some of your responses Anupam;
>> NOWHERE.
>>
>> What does that tell us about you?
>>
>> That you do not read what you think you are responding to OR that you do
>> not read what you yourself write OR that you are so consumed by bias,
>> prejudice and pre-judgements about people and issues that your brain
>> froths and you get all muddled up.
>>
>> That is sad since when you are sane, you do write thought-provoking mails.
>>
>> Kshmendra
>>
>> anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
>> Mon Mar 15 19:19:02 IST 2010 "Dont bother to answer if you are intent on
>> giving some convoluted
>> justification of your own."
>>
>> Instead of probing other's intention on this reader's list, you may
>> look into you own intentions of writing such things Kshmendra. Who are
>> you to tell me not to answer? say i answer in the most convoluted way,
>> what will you do? have you been able to something better than reacting
>> or answering in the most rotten way for such a long time? will you
>> approach moderators or launch a tirade against me like how you are
>> acting with Dan Hussain and Javed? that official who was shot was a
>> muslim. there are no two versions about it. so kindly, hold your
>> horses before you launch a personal tirade against each other. that
>> man Saiyyad, who was shot is alive. lets wait for the probe. and if u
>> cannot encourage a healthy debate here, then form your own reader's
>> lists. why peddle this hatred into this mailing list on every
>> occasion?
>>
>> -anupam
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in
>> mock anti-terror drill
>> To: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>, "anupam chakravartty"
>> <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 6:53 PM
>>
>>
>> Dear Anupam
>>
>> A 'fake encounter' is a 'fake encounter', irrespective of a Muslim being a
>> target or a Hindu, as you yourself seem to be suggesting.
>>
>> Was this incident a 'fake encounter'? Maybe you know something about it
>> that is not public so far.
>>
>> How do you know what Javed's intention was in posting the article? Did he
>> discuss his intention with you?
>>
>> Was Javed justified in retaining the Subject-Line highlighting the
>> "Muslimness" of the ATS Inspector?
>>
>> Was Javed justified in retaining the comment " "Even Muslim police
>> officers are not safe from fake encounters...."?
>>
>> Dont bother to answer if you are intent on giving some convoluted
>> justification of your own.
>>
>> Kshmendra
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 3/15/10, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in
>> mock anti-terror drill
>> To: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Kshmendra Kaul" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>, "sarai list"
>> <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 6:33 PM
>>
>>
>> What would you call if a Hindu were killed in such a fake encounter? I
>> would say even Hindus are not spared in fake encounters in gujarat. I
>> can see the fervour with which a bunch hooligans lurking on this list,
>> carry out sporadic attacks on Muslim members of the list without ever
>> pondering over the issues being discussed here in a pragmatic manner.
>> Most of the arguments are extremely racist and I find it disgusting to
>> read such. The intention of posting the news item was not for your
>> benefit or score a brownie point over a communal battle. It is show
>> the mindset with which police forces, that they need to understand
>> their roles as watchdogs is what I gather from the news item. I thank
>> Javed for posting this. If not for anything else, let there be a
>> debate about reforms to be carried in policing.
>>
>> On 3/15/10, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you Kshemendra ,
>>>
>>> I hope the moderators of SARAI would look into how this forum is misused
>>> .
>>>
>>> Indeed when we type Gujarat Muslim DCP Muslim inspector the only
>>> 'proof' we get is Javed's posting on SARAI.
>>>
>>> And this is not the first time Javed has done that . I had tried to
>>> convince the readers earlier as well .
>>>
>>> Hope the moderators look into this and prevent misuse of Forum which
>>> has members from across the world.
>>>
>>> @Javed : you need to apologize to this group for your deliberate mischief
>>> .
>>>
>>> Pawan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Javed very keenly identifies the ATS Inspector as a 'Muslim' and places
>>>> in
>>>> the Subject Field " Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector "
>>>>
>>>> The word "Muslim" is nowhere to be found on the very weblink of the
>>>> article as provided by Javed himself.
>>>>
>>>> Not satisfied with having done so, Javed adds the comment "Even Muslim
>>>> police officers are not safe from fake encounters...." (not to be found
>>>> on
>>>> the weblink provided by Javed)
>>>>
>>>> One would have to be quite idiotic to not recognise Javed's intentions
>>>> in
>>>> making the incident "communal". Whatever be the actual 'story' behind
>>>> the
>>>> incident, as of now, there no reports of it having a "communal"
>>>> background.
>>>>
>>>> It is quite likely that the "Muslimness" of the ATS Inspector will get
>>>> mentioned and highlighted in further reporting of the incident and
>>>> commentaries on it. There are many Javed's around to do that. But Javed
>>>> of
>>>> SARAI "Reader List" will have the honour of being the first one to do
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> This should please the Moderator(s) of SARAI Reader List.
>>>>
>>>> I just did a string-search for gujarat-dcp-muslim-inspector. It only
>>>> throws up Javed's SARAI Reader List mail. Oh Yes! Also a webpage from a
>>>> site called coastaldigest.com with obvious ideological leanings
>>>>
>>>> Kshmendra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan Husain dan.ayyaar at gmail.com
>>>> Mon Mar 15
>>>> Javed's intent, even if to sensationalize the event, is less harmful
>>>> then
>>>> actually shooting a man twice for no fault of his. And it is most
>>>> important
>>>> to tackle the intent of the man with a loaded gun shooting at innocent
>>>> people. Whoever that man be. And if he is a functionary of the state
>>>> then
>>>> it
>>>> becomes even more imperative to tackle it. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
>>>> Mon Mar 15
>>>> Dear C.Anupam ,
>>>>
>>>> Did I say that any line has been said about Modi.
>>>>
>>>> Would you google this news and check the subject line which has come
>>>> in newspapers .
>>>>
>>>> ATS inspector injured by bullet during mock drill : PTI
>>>>
>>>> Gujarat DCP shoots cop during mock-drill : Indian Express
>>>>
>>>> Drill that mocked precautions & exposed inadequacies : Times Of India
>>>>
>>>> And then you have a subject line in SARAI ,as follows
>>>>
>>>> Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in mock anti-terror drill :
>>>> Reader-List - SARAI
>>>>
>>>> If you do not understand the intent of Javed's mail, then i regret of
>>>> trying to eductae you on his intent.
>>>>
>>>> No more discussion on this from my side . Those who wish to ignore my
>>>> suggestions may continue to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Remember ...till they come marching to your door.
>>>>
>>>> Pawan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Dan Husain <dan.ayyaar at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Gujarat DCP shoots Muslim inspector twice in
>>>> mock anti-terror drill
>>>> To:
>>>> Cc: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
>>>> Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 3:48 PM
>>>>
>>>> Dear Pawan:
>>>>
>>>> I seldom respond on this list. But I think your response is most
>>>> flippant,
>>>> insensitive, callous, off the cuff, prejudiced, and most of all
>>>> laughable.
>>>> Think of it. It's like a nightmare. You go for a drill, perfectly
>>>> planned
>>>> out, everyone presumably knowing their roles, and suddenly you get shot
>>>> twice in your stomach. What for? For what reason? Why? The guy was just
>>>> doing his job. And he gets shot! Bizarre! Absolute nightmare. This is
>>>> outrageous. I am sure no one would like to live this experience. And
>>>> when
>>>> there were clear instructions that no arms to be taken in, why was the
>>>> DCP
>>>> carrying a loaded gun. And if he was why would he shoot someone that too
>>>> twice. My mind belies any accident.
>>>>
>>>> And I wonder what would turn you so blind that you'd eagerly defend the
>>>> wrong too. I don't think anyone will like to be shot at for no fault of
>>>> theirs. And yes if proven that the DCP shot at the guy with malice and
>>>> for
>>>> his religious identity then Modi is to be blamed because he has actively
>>>> encouraged this mindset.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Danish
>>>>
>>>> PS: Please respond to this mailing list and not to me personally.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> anupam chakravartty c.anupam at gmail.com
>>>> Mon Mar 15
>>>>
>>>> Pawan,
>>>>
>>>> Not single line has been said against modi or BJP. Why are you
>>>> assuming? On what grounds? On the other hand, if these things are not
>>>> brought towards the notice of the machinery which is at work, there
>>>> will be more such Saiyads dying in this way.
>>>>
>>>> It is unfortunate that you are diverting the focus of the debate,
>>>> which should discuss things about police reforms across the country to
>>>> a political issue. You are absolutely wrong about Javed's intention to
>>>> post this news item and also using Narendra Modi to make a point here.
>>>>
>>>> Anupam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
>>>> Mon Mar 15
>>>>
>>>> And what a convenient subject line made aptly for Sarai . This is how
>>>> 'Liberals' are used by Javed and others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Pawan Durani
>>>> <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes Yes .. Let us blame Modi for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Javed <javedmasoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > ‘Sir, don’t... I am not a terrorist,’ pleaded ATS inspector as DCP
>>>>> > shot him twice
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Even Muslim police officers are not safe from fake encounters....
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Surat: Posted: Sunday , Mar 14, 2010 at 0319 hrs
>>>>> >
>>>>> > “Sir, don’t... I am not a terrorist.”
>>>>> > This is what Gujarat Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) inspector Shabbirali
>>>>> > Saiyed says he had shouted, just before Deputy Commissioner of Police
>>>>> > Subhash Trivedi shot him twice in the abdomen from point blank range
>>>>> > during the mock anti-terror drill that went haywire at the Surat
>>>>> > Airport on February 24.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Saiyed still cannot comprehend how and why he was shot by the senior
>>>>> > officer. No officer was supposed to carry or use live arms and
>>>>> > ammunition. That apart, Saiyed told The Sunday Express that the >
>>>>> > entire
>>>>> > drill had been meticulously planned, including the exact role each >
>>>>> > cop
>>>>> > would play. “All the officials in the drill had been briefed
>>>>> > thoroughly about the role of each. I was to be only an observer >
>>>>> > tasked
>>>>> > to find out what mistakes the commandos and other officials commit
>>>>> > during rescue operations.”
>>>>> >
>>>>> > DCP Subhash Trivedi, SP Barot of ATS and a few other officers were
>>>>> > tasked to act as doctors and rush to a bus in the parking lot of the
>>>>> > airport in which some officials acting as terrorists were holding
>>>>> > ‘passengers’ hostage.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Saiyed recalled: “Subhash Trivedi rushed to the bus and caught hold >
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > me tightly, though I was supposed to be only an obeserver. I pleaded,
>>>>> > “Sir , don’t... I am not a terrorist, I am the observer.” But he
>>>>> > refused to let go of me and we had a scuffle. I was left struggling >
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > get out of his clutches when he pulled out his service revolver and
>>>>> > opened fire, from point blank range. I fell and lost consciousness.”
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The .38 calibre bullet entered through his stomach and exited. Saiyed
>>>>> > is still to recover but is now out of danger.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Interestingly, the DCP, according to Saiyed, was not even tasked to
>>>>> > take on or grapple with any ‘terrorist’ in the drill, since he was
>>>>> > acting as a member of a team of ‘doctors’ at the spot who would only
>>>>> > recce the scene to find out how many hostages and terrorists were in
>>>>> > the bus. “He was to have only ascertained their numbers to pass on >
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > information to the others in the actual rescue team, so that they
>>>>> > could plan and execute the operation,” according to Inspector Saiyed.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Surat police Commisioner Shivanand Jha confirmed it. “Saiyed was
>>>>> > deputed as an observer on the spot. He was standing near the entry
>>>>> > door of bus. DCP Subhash Trivedi was tasked to act as a doctor to
>>>>> > recce the scene and find out how many hostages were being held by how
>>>>> > many terrorists, and the weapons they possessed.” The ‘doctor’,
>>>>> > apparently, was not expected to carry any weapon, much less a loaded
>>>>> > service revolver.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So what went horribly wrong? The police claim they have no answers to
>>>>> > share, yet. “We are still doing a free and fair investigation. At >
>>>>> > this
>>>>> > moment it is difficult to come to any conclusion. We have taken the
>>>>> > statements of several airport staff who were also present there and
>>>>> > statements of several police officials who witnessed the incident,”
>>>>> > Jha said.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > When The Sunday Express contacted Trivedi, he refused to comment.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The investigation is being headed by Jha’s deputy and ATS chief Ajay
>>>>> > Tomar. A complaint was registered at Umra police station soon after
>>>>> > Saiyed was shot while state DGP S S Khandwawala directed Tomar to
>>>>> > carry out a departmental inquiry.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > “After preliminary investigations, we have found that the incident >
>>>>> > was
>>>>> > an accident and the firing had not been done deliberately. But we are
>>>>> > waiting for the final report and the report from ballistic experts
>>>>> > before coming to any conclusion,” said Khandwawala. Asked if an FIR
>>>>> > would be registered against DCP Trivedi, Khandwawala said: “Let the
>>>>> > report come and later, on its basis, we will take further action. >
>>>>> > Both
>>>>> > the officials are from police department _ they are not some >
>>>>> > criminals
>>>>> > _ so it is premature to say anything at this juncture.”
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sir-dont...-i-am-not-a-terrorist-pleaded-ats-inspector-as-dcp-shot-him-twice/590554/0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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