[Reader-list] KASAV VERDICT

Sun May 9 17:36:49 IST 2010

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--- On Sun, 5/9/10, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] KASAV VERDICT
To: "anupam chakravartty" <c.anupam at gmail.com>
Cc: "Sarai List" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 5:10 PM

Dear Mr Chakravartty,
                                     I have not sent you any ticket. Please check up, it is perhaps coming from Mr Kaul's mail which I have also got for the last two mails addressed to him and I am also not able to make up what it is.
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--- On Sun, 5/9/10, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:

From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] KASAV VERDICT
To: "A.K. Malik" <akmalik45 at yahoo.com>, "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 12:00 PM

dear malik,

why have you sent me a ticket? for wht joy? 

anupam

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:54 AM, A.K. Malik <akmalik45 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Kaul,
             I am sorry to interrupt the thread between you and Mr Bipin, but after reading your post couldn't resist writing back.
1&2.There is no harm in having an opinion/point of view different than what is the law in force.So long as it is not changed,the punishment would be based on the Supreme Court verdict that death penalty should be given only in rarest of rare cases and this is what has been done by the Judge in the Kasab case.To give the convicted person a safeguard against a wrong conviction of death penalty,it is mandatory for the sentence to be ratified in the next higher court, in this case Bombay High Court.
If HC doesn't consider it as rearest of the rare case then it is a  different matter.
3.Ask the relatives of the persons killed by the barbaric act of
the terrorist who want the fellow to be hanged in public/shot dead without trial even but the law of the land has prevailed and must prevail.
4. Everyone on the road knows why Afzal Guru is not being hanged.Anything rest is all bullshit.You have written that"There is a rule followed that each one will await its turn for being accepted or being rejected. THIS IS
 IMPORTANT.",just give a refernce to this rule so that we also become aware.Even a clerk in Govt Office knows to prioritise which file is to be sent early and which later but the Delhi Govt can't make up its mind to send comments on Afzal's petition in 5 years.Even if such a rule exists who stops the Govt from changing it by executive directions-because no such rule exists at all. I say almost all such "mercy petitions" have some or the other contacts in political and bureaucracy and are intentionally being dragged. So long live Afzal because the earlier petitions will never be decided
in his life time.May be if Kasab also gets the same stature as Afzal, he will also live on.
Yes, we belong to Gandhiji's land so we don't do anything to people who come and kill us and would rather say come kill us and we will give you immunity from being hanged and even punished and spend crores of rupees for your safety.
Long live Indian Politics!
With regards,

(A.K.MALIK)

--- On Sat, 5/8/10, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] KASAV VERDICT
> To: "Bipin Trivedi" <aliens at dataone.in>

> Cc: "sarai-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Saturday, May 8, 2010, 7:37 PM

> Dear Bipin
>  
> We are talking in circles now. I will try to make this my
> last post on this thread and you are most welcome to have
> the final say.
>  
> 1. To answer the easier question. Yes, in my opinion, the
> countries including India, USA, China, Pakistan and
> whosoever else, even if they total to 99% of the World
> Population are BARBARIC in having the 'death penalty' as
> punishment for any crime whatsoever.
>  
>     I hope you understand that I am not calling these
> countries 'barbaric' in their sum-total, but 'barbaric' with
> regards to death-penalty.
>  
> 2. Yes our (Indian) Constitution permits the 'death
> penalty' and from my point of view that needs to be changed.
> And, because I want to see that changed therefore my
> argument is not irrelevant but it is a mirror
for showing
> the barbarism of death-penalty existing in the Constitution
> and the blood-lust of those who are scream for anyone at
> all to be done to death for any crime whatsoever.
>  
> 3. My (and presumably other 'people like me') opposing the
> 'death penalty' is not meant for saving one person but for
> saving every person who might be awarded the death sentence
> whether that person has killed 1 or a hundred or thousands.
>  
> 4. I tried to explain to you in the last mail why the delay
> in execution of Afzal Guru is not 'minority appeasement' but
> I seem to have been unsuccessful.
>  
>    There are reportedly 29 'mercy petitions' like that
> of Afzal Guru lying pending with the President of India.
>  
>    Afzal Guru was sentenced to death in 2004.
>  
>   
Let me now give you some names of those who were
> awarded the death sentence before Afzal Guru and you might
> realise that there is no 'minority appeasement' in play.
>  
>   Look at these names: Murugan; G. Perarivalan; Chinna
> Shanthan;  Davinder Singh
> Bhullar ;  Simon; Gnanprakasham; Meesekar
> Madaiah; Bilvendran; Gurdev Singh; Satnam Singh; Para
> Singh; Sarabjit Singh; Praveen Kumar
>  
>    There is a rule followed that each one will await its
> turn for being accepted or being rejected. THIS IS
> IMPORTANT. You have said that "Legal experts clearly says
> there is no such law to go with queue for death sentence
> matter." Will you please tell me which "Legal Experts" But,
> isnt it logical that it should be turn by turn. 
>  
>   
Your main argument for fast-tracking the execution of
> Afzal Guru is "One must separate terrorists conviction with
> other conviction. Due to our this terror soft approach, we
> are unable to fight terror to the extent what actually we
> should do."
>  
>    You are conveying that putting Afzal Guru to death
> speedily will deter other terrorists from attacking India.
>  
>    In this I disagree with you and let me tell you why.
> Bipin there is no evidence at all from any part of the World
> that executing the 'death sentence' for any kind of a crime
> leads to decrease in the incidence of that particular crime.
> If you have any such evidence please do share it. You can
> take the examples of the very countries you mentioned USA,
> China, Pakistan and you can add to that all other countries
> where the 'death penalty' is
awarded and executed.
>  
> As I said earlier, you can have the final say.
>  
> Kshmendra
>  
>
> --- On Sat, 5/8/10, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
> Subject: RE: [Reader-list] KASAV VERDICT
> To: "'Kshmendra Kaul'" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "sarai-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Saturday, May 8, 2010, 10:54 AM
>
>
> Dear Kshemendra,
>
> I have not at all missed the central point. Politician go
> out of law for
> their selfish motto, but not for terror conviction. What's
> the reason? Can
> you tell? Just because of political mileage, nothing else.
> It's real problem
> that people like you did not understand this. Because they
> were punished as
> terrorists activity and so the special case and not because
> of their
> religion. One must separate terrorists conviction with
> other conviction. Due
> to our this terror soft approach, we are unable to fight
> terror to the
> extent what actually we should do.
>
> I have never mentioned that Afsalguru should be given
> priority for
> punishment because
he belongs to minority, but due to
> terrorist act
> conviction only. Whoever involved in this and even in the
> future any
> religion should be treated as same for terror conviction.
>
> Afsalguru case is clear minor appeasement for not executing
> his conviction
> and goes wrong message to terror groups and encourage them
> further. Legal
> experts clearly says there is no such law to go with queue
> for death
> sentence matter. Earlier such execution of death sentence
> carried out, out
> of turn in the couple of occasions.
>
> Constitution of India (SC) has already convicted death
> sentence in 2006,
> this cabinet for strange reason delaying it. So, this is
> clear minor
> appeasement case Dear Kshemendra. This is where congress
> lack will to fight
> terrorism. 
>
> You personally oppose death
sentence is altogether
> different issue. Our
> constitution permits death sentence, so you argument at
> present is
> irrelevant of blood thirsty animal from Indian point of
> view. It is
> unfortunate that people like you oppose death sentence for
> the people who is
> blood thirsty for hundreds or thousands of people. You want
> to save the life
> of one person who engaged in blood bath and take lives of
> 100/1000 of
> people!!!
>
> India is barbaric in your view by adopting death sentence
> than those nation
> like US, China, Pakistan and many more are also barbaric
> for adopting this
> law. This is about 70% of world population is barbaric
> according to you!
>
> Thanks
> Bipin
>
>
>
> From: Kshmendra Kaul [mailto:kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com]
>
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 4:10 PM
> To: Bipin Trivedi
> Cc: sarai-list
> Subject: RE: [Reader-list] KASAV VERDICT
>
> Dear Bipin
>  
> You have missed the central point. The Constitution of
> India gives that
> right to Ajmal Kasab and also to Afzal Guru.
>  
> FYI Afzal Guru is not the only one who's appeal for waiver
> of 'death
> penalty' is pending with the President. And most of the
> others are Hindus.
> So stop obsessing about 'appeasement of minorities' in this
> case.
>  
> The Constitution of India is not so petty that it will be
> changed just
> because you or someone else or even if millions of Indians
> want to deny
> Kasab the tiered rights to Courts and appeal to President.
>

> Bipin, one should not accuse others of behaving
> like blood-thirsty animals
> and then become a blood-thirsty animal himself/herself.
>  
> Kshmendra
>  
>  
> --- On Fri, 5/7/10, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
> wrote:
>
> From: Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
> Subject: RE: [Reader-list] KASAV VERDICT
> To: "'Kshmendra Kaul'" <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "sarai-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 3:37 PM
> Dear Kshemendra,
>  
> Parliament can and has right to make such decision if show
> will. But,
> congress cannot show such will, who prolonged even
> Afsalguru conviction
> keeping pending for so long for their vote bank politics.
> Comparison with
> Shah Bano for the reason of vote bank politics only to
> appealing minor.
> Reverting shah Bano verdict is classic example of minor
> appeasement and the
> same case with Afsalguru and I am fear for Kasav also same
> thing might
> happen.
>  
> Thanks
> Bipin
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Kshmendra Kaul [mailto:kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com]
>
> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 1:35 PM
> To: sarai-list; Bipin Trivedi
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] KASAV VERDICT
>  
> Dear Bipin
>  
> A. I am against the death penalty for anyone for any crime
> whatsoever. I
> believe the 'death penalty' is awarded in barbaric
> societies, and yes, India
> is still barbaric in many ways.
>  
> B. You might disagree on the above. That does not change
> the opportunity
> allowed in India for anyone convicted in a crime in a Lower
> Court to take
> the matter to a Higher Cour. 
>  
>      Since it is a question of a 'death penalty', Kasab
> has the right to
> have his
case heard by the Higher Courts right upto the
> Supreme Court. After
> that he has the right to appeal to the President for waiver
> of the 'death
> penalty'. The Constitution of India provides that right.
> You cannot compare
> Civil Law of the Shah Bano case witha 'death penalty' being
> awarded. 
>  
>      No one can take that right away from Kasab.
>  
> Kshmendra
>   
>  
> --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
> wrote:
>  
> From: Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
> Subject:
[Reader-list] KASAV VERDICT
> To: "sarai-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 3:33 PM
> AS EXPECTED, KASAV RIGHTLY GOT DEATH SENTENCE.
>  
> Though terrorist's Kasav case was crystal clear, but still
> we have gone for
> about 17 months fair trial and proved that how transparent
> our judicial
> system is unlike Pakistan. But, after this trial and
> judgment, he should not
> allow to appeal in the higher court and should be hanged in
> public
> immediately without further judicial procedure. if Indira
> Gandhi (ex PM)
> deny to obey court verdict and neglect law and Shah Banu
> case was revert out
> of law by parliament than why cannot this? India should
> show the
world that
> country cannot compromise in integrity and take hard action
> if required like
> open public death sentence.
>  
> Thanks
> Bipin
>  
>  
>  
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