[Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration

TaraPrakash taraprakash at gmail.com
Mon May 10 20:38:42 IST 2010 

Tha'ts the perfect tea party type, abusing people left, right and center for 
daring to differ.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
To: "yasir ~يا سر" <yasir.media at gmail.com>
Cc: "Sarai Reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration


>  Hi Yasir!
>
>    Still making excuses for Islamic terrorism?
>
>  -jmz
>
>
> On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 4:00 AM, yasir ~يا سر <yasir.media at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> You've diagnosed this one properly. Josh goes back to the thingist list
>> around 2001-4. i see he's still spouting and needessly small-mindedly
>> arguing. its best to just ignore him and not engage.
>>
>> best
>> yasir
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Paul D. Miller <anansi1 at earthlink.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Hello to Josh and the Sarai list. I apologize about the delay in
>> > communication, but I had a concert in Khartoum, Sudan, and there were
>> > thousands of people at the show, and it was a demonstration of some of
>> the
>> > unique qualities of why reaching out past the norms of the kind of
>> paranoid
>> > scenarios Josh has been spouting on the list is exactly what I think 
>> > the
>> > world needs more of.
>> >
>> > To those on the list that haven't heard the track I did with Public
>> Enemy,
>> > you can hear it here:
>> >
>> > http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html
>> >
>> > And yo Josh - screw your crappy music taste...
>> >
>> > Josh - why do you think that the Phoenix Suns has changed their name to
>> > "Los Suns":
>> > Team owner Robert Sarver says the Spanish jersey is meant to, quote,
>> "honor
>> > our Latino community and the diversity of our league, the state of
>> Arizona
>> > and our nation."
>> >
>> > The Arizona reactionary stance towards immigration is what I think is a
>> > betrayal of the country, and I believe that naive people like the right
>> wing
>> > types who espouse it have no idea about the economics of what they're
>> > talking about. The trouble is that as a larger political ideology, its
>> > hateful and divisive message is encouraging ever more misguided 
>> > madness.
>> >
>> > Some examples:
>> >
>> > Read more:
>> >
>> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2010/05/05/msnbcs-dylan-ratigan-gives-kudos-arizona-basketball-team-protesting-#ixzz0nLQzAkyL
>> >
>> > The problem is this: you can't argue with right wing lunatics like 
>> > Josh -
>> > facts don't matter. We learned this during the Bush era, and we've seen
>> the
>> > Tea Party idiots doing the same thing. I belong in what I like to call,
>> > ironically, after Bush, "the reality based community." Interdependence 
>> > in
>> a
>> > hyper globalized economy is a basic economic fact. You cannot shut it
>> down
>> > without massive consequences, and amusingly enough, I bet you'd be hard
>> > pressed to find even a right wing economist who would disagree with 
>> > that
>> > basic assumption. Because I cannot argue with Josh (even politely),
>> without
>> > being called as he has called me a "racist (!!!???)" and a "betrayer of
>> my
>> > country" (sound like Fox News stupidity!?), I can only say - in this
>> forum
>> > focused on South Asia, that the kind of anti-immigrant stupidity that 
>> > he
>> > espouses is so dumb as to be beyond the range of coherent dialog.
>> >
>> > I cannot believe that reactionary people like Josh have no sense of
>> > history, or even a willingness to get to facts, but hey, in the America
>> of
>> > Fox News and idiots like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, I'd encounter a
>> moron
>> > like Josh on the Sarai reader list (one could argue that he's a digital
>> > immigrant on this list, but the irony is too much...) ... nothing is
>> > shocking I guess.
>> >
>> > I have to admit - I am so disgusted by my fellow Arizona American's
>> > reactionary and ultimately idiotic legislation about immigration. It
>> boggles
>> > the mind - where do you think they came from? They are all immigrants.
>> > Anyway, not that these kinds of links matter to Josh, but hey... I'm 
>> > just
>> an
>> > African American racist who betrays my country and despises Rush
>> Limbaugh,
>> > Glenn Beck, Fox News Zombies, and right wing idiots like Sarah Palin.
>> >
>> > The Left needs to push back on this kind of stuff. HARD. And, 
>> > hopefully,
>> it
>> > will.
>> >
>> >
>> > Supporting links:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.truthout.org/david-sirota-i-want-my-country-back-the-motto-mad-men59256
>> >
>> > Why the Left has no Response to the Right Wing Lie Machine:
>> > http://www.crisispapers.org/essays10p/nolocontendere.htm
>> >
>> > Why Arizona isn't Crazy, Just wrong:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.alternet.org/immigration/146736/why_arizona_isn't_crazy,_just_wrong<http://www.alternet.org/immigration/146736/why_arizona_isn%27t_crazy,_just_wrong>
>> >
>> > Arizona Immigration Law Divides Law Enforcement:
>> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/22/us/22immig.html
>> >
>> > This is my last comment on this thread.
>> > Paul
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>> > >Sent: May 6, 2010 2:07 AM
>> > >To: reader-list at sarai.net
>> > >Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration
>> > >
>> > >  Well, I just got back from the Phoenix rally.  If any of you think
>> that
>> > >the SB1070 bill is about racial profiling, you are out of your mind.
>>  The
>> > >bulk of the crowd was a semi-violent mob with Mexican and _USSR_ flags
>> (no
>> > >joke).  They were proudly displaying their concept of history, which 
>> > >is
>> > that
>> > >of right to ownership of the American southwest.  Many of them were
>> > clearly
>> > >mafia thugs.
>> > >
>> > >  -jmz
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:48 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> "I was at the capitol yesterday, there was a nice young African
>> American
>> > >> girl who was vocally against the pro-Mexico demonstrators.  She came
>> > down
>> > >> here because she couldn't find a job in LA."
>> > >>
>> > >> Now, isn't there some kind of irony? Mexicans don't take so much 
>> > >> risk
>> of
>> > >> crossing the border because of plenty of jobs on their side of the
>> > border.
>> > >> Jobwise the state that seems to be doing the best is Texas, now can
>> > someone
>> > >> remind the history of Texas? Is it somehow connected with Mexico?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Zeidner" <
>> > jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>> > >> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 11:38 AM
>> > >> Subject: [Reader-list] Public Enemy vs Arizona: Sonic Immigration
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>   On the contrary,  the African Americans are getting played by left
>> > wing
>> > >>> and the likes of Al Sharpton this time.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  I was at the capitol yesterday, there was a nice young African
>> > American
>> > >>> girl who was vocally against the pro-Mexico demonstrators.  She 
>> > >>> came
>> > down
>> > >>> here because she couldn't find a job in LA.  She shouted: "this is
>> the
>> > new
>> > >>> color of conservatism".
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  We've never had slavery in Arizona.  It was formed after the civil
>> > war.
>> > >>> The African Americans played a critical role in the establishment 
>> > >>> of
>> > our
>> > >>> state.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  -jmz
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Paul D. Miller <
>> anansi1 at earthlink.net
>> > >>> >wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>  I'm transferring at Frankfurt airport, and took a quick glance at
>> this
>> > >>>> video. I find it sad and appalling.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> It's galvinized me as an African American to build even more 
>> > >>>> bridges
>> > >>>> between communities.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Minorities only get played against one another when this kind of
>> thing
>> > >>>> happens, and the end result is everyone loses.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> This kind of stuff is so dumb, it's ridiculous.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> It really saddens me to see fellow African Americans being played 
>> > >>>> by
>> > >>>> right
>> > >>>> wing types.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Paul
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On May 5, 2010, at 7:02 AM, Udai Malhotra <udaimalhotra at gmail.com>
>> > >>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Dear Joshua,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> What is the point you are trying to make by linking to this video?
>> If
>> > >>>> anything it is reinforcing that you are on some straight ignorant
>> > shit.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> - Udai
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Joshua Zeidner < <
>> jjzeidner at gmail.com
>> > >
>> > >>>> jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>   <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcmjPgyN36g&NR=1>
>> > >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcmjPgyN36g&NR=1
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>  -jmz
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Paul D. Miller < <
>> > anansi1 at earthlink.net
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> > Again - this is strange non sense.
>> > >>>>> > 1) the track is a free giveaway so no paycheck etc
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > Josh - this is stupid. Either up the level of the discourse or
>> come
>> > up
>> > >>>>> with
>> > >>>>> > something more interesting.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone that would say
>> either
>> > me
>> > >>>>> or
>> > >>>>> > Chuck D are racist, and no, Flava Flav isn't on the track. 
>> > >>>>> > So...
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > What's your point? I'm just getting on a flight to Khartoum,
>> Sudan
>> > for
>> > >>>>> > a
>> > >>>>> > project with ex child soldiers doing electronic music.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > Josh - if you would like to dialog about the merits of 
>> > >>>>> > Arizona's
>> > >>>>> > immigration, that's ok. But being an asshole, as we've seen in 
>> > >>>>> >  >
>> > >>>>> Arizona,
>> > >>>>> > doesn't solve anyone's problems.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > By the way way, no, I'm not racist, and no, Public Enemy isn't
>> > racist.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > And I have nothing to do with Al Sharpton.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > Paul
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > On May 4, 2010, at 4:02 PM, Joshua Zeidner < <
>> jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>> jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >   sorry for getting all up in your grill hommie, but racism 
>> > >>>>> > cuts
>> > both
>> > >>>>> ways.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >   maybe you can get Flavor Flav all up in hizouse too?
>> > >>>>> > < <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok>
>> > >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok>
>> > >>>>> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok>
>> > >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzhpB1X-6ok
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >   it's pretty simple that illegal aliens are modern day slavery
>> and
>> > >
>> > >>>>> they
>> > >>>>> > destroy the lives of white and black Americans alike.
>> >  Unfortunately
>> > >>>>> we've
>> > >>>>> > got selllouts like you who are willing to say anything for a
>> > paycheck.
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >   check ya later holmes, jmz
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> > On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Paul D. Miller < > <<
>> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>
>> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>
>> > >>>>> > <anansi1 at earthlink.net>anansi1 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >> Very strange and reactionary response.
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> Joshua - can you please enlighten me on my 'racist politics' 
>> > >>>>> >> and
>> > my
>> > >>>>> >> relationship to Al Sharpton?
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> You're sounding a bit shrill and to be completely honest,
>> totally
>> > >>>>> >> irrational.
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> Paul
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> On May 4, 2010, at 3:22 PM, Joshua Zeidner < < <
>> > jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>> jjzeidner at gmail.com>
>> > >>>>> >> <jjzeidner at gmail.com>jjzeidner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >>   I'm writing this from the Arizona Capitol.
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >>   Paul, we don't want your racist politics here.  Al Sharpton
>> has
>> > >>>>> nothing
>> > >>>>> >> in common with the illegal aliens.  You are not only a traitor
>> to
>> > >>
>> > >>>>> your
>> > >>>>> >> country but a traitor to your own people.  How can you turn
>> > against a
>> > >>>>> >> country that has given you so much?
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >>   we do remember history.  We remember it very well.
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >>   Check it: >> <<
>> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
>> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000><<
>> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
>> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
>> > >>>>> >> <http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000>
>> > >>>>> http://www.buffalosoldiermuseum.com/?linkid=410&webid=1000
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >>   -jmz
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Paul D. Miller < >> <<
>> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>
>> > >>>>> anansi1 at earthlink.net>< <anansi1 at earthlink.net>
>> anansi1 at earthlink.net
>> > >
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> >> <anansi1 at earthlink.net>anansi1 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > >>>>> >>
>> > >>>>> >>> Hey people - I just finished a studio session with Chuck D 
>> > >>>>> >>> from
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> Public
>> > >>>>> >>> Enemy. In the wake of Republican Governor Jan Brewer's
>> appalling
>> > >>>>> >>> anti-immigrant law, me and Chuck D were rappin' and we 
>> > >>>>> >>> decided
>> to
>> > >>>>> >>> put
>> > >>>>> >>> together an update of his classic track "By The Time I get To
>> > >>>>> Arizona."
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>> You can download the track from here:
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>  < <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
>> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html><<
>> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
>> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
>> > >>>>> >>> <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
>> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>> Anyone who knows about hip hop from the early 90's remembers
>> John
>> > >>>>> >>> McCain's unwillingness to endorse creating a local version of
>> > Martin
>> > >>>>> Luther
>> > >>>>> >>> King's birthday. The update here is a 21st century look in 
>> > >>>>> >>> the
>> > rear
>> > >>>>> view
>> > >>>>> >>> mirror. The cliché that "those who don't learn from the past
>> are
>> > >>>>> doomed to
>> > >>>>> >>> repeat it" still holds sway in our hyper amnesiac culture. I
>> > remixed
>> > >>>>> D.W.
>> > >>>>> >>> Griffith's infamous film Birth of a Nation  with a bit of
>> Public
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> Enemy
>> > >>>>> in
>> > >>>>> >>> mind, and later on, they named an e.p. with the same name as 
>> > >>>>> >>> my
>> > >>>>> project. Me
>> > >>>>> >>> and Chuck D have done several projects in the past around >>>
>> > >>>>> progressive,
>> > >>>>> non
>> > >>>>> >>> knucklehead hip hop.
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>> Please feel free to download this track and pass it around. 
>> > >>>>> >>> We
>> > are
>> > >>>>> >>> the
>> > >>>>> >>> media. Feel free to pass it around!
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>> By the way, this is a mashup, and it's basically not really 
>> > >>>>> >>> for
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>> sale.
>> > >>>>> I
>> > >>>>> >>> just took a riff from Philly Sound >>> (<<
>> > >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
>> > >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>< <
>> > >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
>> > >>>>> >>> <http://www.funkadelphiarecords.com>
>> www.funkadelphiarecords.com
>> > ),
>> > >>>>> >>> and
>> > >>>>> flipped it. The result, is what you
>> > >>>>> >>> hear here. It's free, and open. No $!!
>> > >>>>> >>> You can download a better resolution version of the track 
>> > >>>>> >>> here:
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>  < <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
>> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html><<
>> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
>> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
>> > >>>>> >>> <http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html>
>> > >>>>> http://www.djspooky.com/music_download_form.html
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>> Check it!
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>> Paul
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >>>
>> > >>>>> >
>> > >>>>> >
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