[Reader-list] UID CARD Doubts

Fri May 14 20:14:15 IST 2010

Hi Taha,
well, not to add any fuzzyness, but explain what I meant, the proposed 12
digit "id" is a numerical or alpha numerical representing my presence in the
society and nation, it does not add or subtract any features of mine,when I
leave the physical presence, body gets cremated/ buried, the alpha numerical
/numerical id also gets to no entity, so is the identity.
And Taha, as humans, we are capable of using our body, mind and intellect at
three planes, - material plane, intellectual plane and spiritual plane,and
this id is atmost, only covers the material and intellectual (ofcourse I
have doubts about this plane. : ) , but well, any other meaning of id in 12
digits is obnoxiuous and every dog has no collar, but those which have, do
have  a owner, that is id of a dog, that he /she belongs to the owner, may
be nation wants to own its citizens for a change. i wonder. !
In the scheme of good governance if the system does not even know who it has
to serve/ take care of with its rule of laws then it is better that we
belong to the nation rather than a faith. For faith will not fill the aching
belly of the food, hands have to work for it, intellect has to be used to
get the skills to perform the tasks, those who do not have any of it, sell
the bodies, hence the oldest profession, prostitution, those who have
intellect, use it for good or bad, those who use it without conviction of
any thing but material wealth are intellectual prostitutes. : )
that we see day in and out in tv channels selling news and creating news for
paid wealth.! regards,
rajen.

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Taha Mehmood
<2tahamehmood at googlemail.com>wrote:

> Dear Bipin and Rajendera,
>
> Maybe I am as possessive about the fuzziness of a uinque ID as perhaps
> you are about it non existent benefits.
>
> But your mail was interesting. although it appeared fuzzy about
> identity. Let me explain why-
>
> You write-
>
> Let me answer that your identity can
> define by only one person, your MOTHER.
>
> - Are we to assume that all the orphans, who do not know who their
> mothers are, do not know who they are? If they do, then don't you
> think, that maybe having an identity and having a mother have little
> relationship maybe there are more aspects to a being which are at play
> here.
>
> Furthermore  I am glad that you brought the whole issue of
> Bharatamata. By using Baharatamata I am sure you mean to use it as an
> allegorical reference to India.
>
> Is this only name we have for India? What about other names like
> Bharata, Hindustan, Hind, Tenjiku or Jambudvipa? Do you think these
> names, referring to a piece of land which lies on the north of the
> equator between 6°44' and 35°30' north latitude  and 68°7' and 97°25'
> east longitude and is also sometime known as India, are any less
> important than Bharatamata?  Or would have rather wanted India to be
> called as Nation number: 979BX. From the time immemorial to all times
> to come. Do does your heart crunch thinking that India is not called
> 979BX, that why did a person like Mr. Nilekani was not born 5000 years
> ago when they still making all those horses or bulls or whatever they
> were making at Harappa and why did he not quietly name the land 979BX
> and burned a clay tablet and hid it somewhere.
>
> Tell me do you miss a heartbeat.
>
> Isn't it superbly fuzzy to have all these names? All these names?
> Isn't it nice to have such a rich history, marked by all these name
> tags?
>
> Furthermore, I find the identity of Bharatamata fuzzy. The reason
> being, if Bharat is Mata only then what is Bharat varsha?
>
> See if you are a 'woman' you cannot be a 'realm' right. These are two
> different entities. So all Mata's of this world have a gender which is
> common to them. Right?
>
> But realms or varsha's have no gender. A realm, as we all know, is in
> fact a dominion of a Monarch. The monarch, I suppose was Bharat. And
> bharat was not even called Bharat till he was six. Was he not called
> by the name of Saravadamana? or would you have rather preferred it to
> be called 979BX. Tell me Bipin.
>
> And don't you remember the whole loss of identity episode the Bharat's
> Mata i.e. Shakuntala when to meet Bharat's Papa i.e Dushyanta. And did
> Dushyanta not use the act of failure to identify her as a ploy so that
> people accept her as his true wife? I mean I do not want to bore
> everyone with details of something which everybody knows.
>
> But now I am curious to know from you, that whether you would have
> preferred the name Bharatavarsha to a number, a unique number 979BX?
>
> And Rajendra thank you for adding layers of fuzziness to the question
> of identity-
>
> -I am who I am,my faith is in humanity, my belief is to be humane, and
> I believe faith begins when the knowledge ends., and sab ka mali ek
> hai.naam anek.-
>
> This is truly poetic. I think it represents the complexity of human
> beings isn't it. I would love to hear what Mr. Nikelani would say when
> he asks the question, Who are you and gets an answer like- ' I am who
> I am,my faith is in humanity, my belief is to be humane'
>
> Tell me, do you think that a dull twelve digit number truly represents
> who you are?
>
> Warm regards
>
> Taha
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Rajen.