[Reader-list] UID CARD

[Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi]

Dear taha,
while thoughts expressed by you and reservations of id cards for all with
digital alpha numericals, the need is basically for the system to KNOW how
many are truly in the system and how many are not WITH the system, is my gut
feeling. For with a population of over a billion, with state employing not
less than 25 lakhs as state and central, direct and indirect employment,with
as per the guestimates of 34 crore below poverty line not even capable of
earning a single wholesome meal a day, with about ten million individuals in
tribal belts living on kernels of fruits as no public distribution system
has reached them in the system,when every time some delivery system is
designed, it is eaten of, stolen off, siphoned off by the individuals
greedies of the system, is it not expedient to have the id to demand and
know what has happened to the goodies that are supposed to be delivered to
individuals in packages like vidharbha package, UP package or bihar package
or 16 percent first bite to any one faith followers, as if only some in
society are poor if they are followers of one faith. i wonder.........!!!
Good governance shall mean that each of the individual in society gets the
benefit of governance, the delivery system covers each irrespective of his
faith, gender and color, creed or region.Any system human made is not
perfect as humans are not perfect, we have the good and bad qualities
embedded in us, even nature does not spare when mis utilised, system
subverted by greedy unfortunately, safeguards the guilty, punish the
innocents.So, may be id will help improve democratic rule, recover the taxes
more accurately by more details of all the transactions.?
Some communities and individuals are notorious for CASH transactions in
petis, may be they will get noted with as money trail is better monitored.
ids.!
Any good has its contigent and collateral BAD with it and it is for the
intellect to visualise the good and bad of the system.As to what is good and
bad, it is intrinsic to each mind, etched at birth, known also as conscious
mind, but alas, when we chase the mirage of material happiness, often we
lock our conscious. ?
regards,
rajen

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:

> Dear Taha,
>
> When you buy Mobile having model no. and of course it will have barcode.
> But, it will be known by its make and model number only not at all with
> barcode. Barcode is for system recognition and we recognize it with model
> no. and maker name.
>
> You are using mobile perhaps since 8/10 years and carry the same number
> since long, have you lost your identity that you are Taha? The person known
> to you since long and even know your mob no. since long forgot you to call
> by the name Taha? No, not at all. You must be using credit/debit card
> having
> 16 digit no. since long. Wherever you swipe your card they even not know
> you
> and might met for the first time still they give you Rs. 25000/50000 or
> even
> more worth material without knowing you. This is the strength of digital
> technology where you don't lose your identity but it strengthens you more.
>
> What is govt. of India? It is a system governs by few people comes from
> people like us only under the decided framework. Elected politician comes
> and go but system must work. But, the things become tough to govern when
> population crosses 1 billion forced to adopt some system with the help of
> digital technology so governance become smoother and efficient.
>
> So, as explained above that by allotting 12/16 digit number to you, you
> will
> not at all lose your identity but it will help to strengthen your identity.
>
> Thanks
> Bipin
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taha Mehmood [mailto:2tahamehmood at googlemail.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:12 PM
> To: Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi
> Cc: Bipin Trivedi; sarai-list
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] UID CARD Doubts
>
> Dear Bipin and Rajen,
>
> Thank you for your responses.
>
> @Bipin-
>
> Every condom pack has a barcode. That barcode uniquely identifies that
> condom pack as that condom pack. Similarly bar codes are used for
> toothbrushes, fridges and almost every imaginable commodity available.
> These bar codes serve a utilitarian purpose.
>
> Do you see no difference between an inanimate condom pack and your own
> self Bipin? Do you not have a sense of agency? How can you feel
> alright if someone fixes your identity through a twelve digit number?
>
> As Rajen points out, a dog owner can tag his dog. Following Rajen,
> could we not assume that an owner of a soap factory has the same
> prerogative. So does the owner of a car manufacturing corporation or a
> person who owns a drug manufacturing plant.
>
> In other words any person who owns a means of production to
> manufacture a commodity is given the right to tag that commodity, by
> law so as to ascertain an exact amount of money that he could receive
> from the sale of such a commodity.
>
> Do you consider yourself a property of Government of India Bipin? is
> it not that WE THE PEOPLE of INDIA collectively own the Government and
> the land and all the resources and every thing which is there in this
> country?
>
> By collecting the identities of the people of India, is not the
> Government trying very hard to fundamentally change the primary
> relationship between a collective of Citizens and a machinery of the
> State which is run by ITS elected representatives? Who do you think
> you will belong to after Mr.Nilekani has done his job? India or
> Government of India?
>
> Warm regards
>
> Taha
>
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Rajen.