[Reader-list] Alleged Maoist Atrocities

Asit asitreds asitredsalute at gmail.com
Wed May 19 13:01:07 IST 2010 

 Dear friends
 when we talk about the state we must know what is it
 states are not some neutral impersonal supra class or supra historical
entities its a class instrument
 in a capitalist society state is a coercive class instrument to perpetuete
class rule facilitating capital accumelation and enforcing contracts
 today the neoliberal state is not only figting maoists but also peaceful
agitations in kalinganagar and jagatsinghpur and many places in india to
handover natural resources to profit hungry corporations
 its not surprising that salwa judum started soon after the chhatish garh
govt signed mous with tata and essar


On 5/19/10, Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Anupam,
>
> Ages back saw the movie "Ardh Satya" where the policeman
> becomes desensitized by his work out of necessity. I meet doctors who treat
> at AIIMS and do a great job but have neither the time for compassion, nor
> can afford to. As an IT guy, meet many people who's hard drives have
> crashed
> and they have lost all their data - just say sorry and move on to the next
> job.
>
> Is that a reason ? No. But the untrained scared security guys in the middle
> of a place that they don't know are in a position that they have to follow
> the 'command'.
>
> The sad part is, force is required at times - such as the Mumbai incident
> where the forces overcame the terrorists. It isn't a perfect world.
>
> Rgds, Partha
> ...................................
> Partha Dasgupta
> +919811047132
>
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:00 AM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > The state should then call itself an authoritarian state that would start
> > using brute force in reaction whenever it is neccesary for political
> party
> > in power to orchestrate a pogrom. Why there are all these lofty words
> such
> > as liberal, equal, democratic and other such things are included in the
> > constitution? Mere words, eh? The state's position is more critical here
> > then the position of the naxals. It is because the state represented by a
> > bunch of self centred buffoons consistently subverting their own
> > principles,
> > we now criminal mindsets continually plotting such massacres.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Shudda,
> > >
> > > I have just a small point to make here.Before I do that I must say I
> dont
> > > trust the state neither do I hold a brief for the Indian state which I
> > > believe is hugely responisble for my homelessnes.
> > > If people can become separitists by themselves or join them or become
> > > Maoists or join any other force which isnt on the side of the state why
> > > dont
> > > we accept that in the same manner people can join Ikhwanis or Salwa
> > > Judum.Both groups(though undoubtedly supported or even run by the
> state)
> > > have the same"sons of soil" as their opponents like Hizb or Naxalas
> have.
> > > Anyone who uses violence as a means of achieving any goal no matter
> > > howsoever noble needs to be despised(even if it is the state).
> > > NO cause is worth a human life.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > >
> > > Rashneek
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Rajendra Bhat Uppinangadi <
> > > rajen786uppinangady at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Shuddha,
> > > >
> > > > how intellect can be lulled by your post to think that maosists are
> > > > genuinely working for the poor, under privileged and tribals, indeed,
> > it
> > > is
> > > > posts like these which deflect the disgust against the atrocities of
> > > > naxalites.
> > > > Your words,
> > > > "The presence of 15 special police officers in the bus that was
> bombed
> > > > cannot be offered as a justification for the bombing, because a large
> > > > number of people who were harmed in the attack had nothing to do with
> > > > any arm of the state, they were just ordinary passengers. This is a
> > > > simple and disgusting act of terrorism. It cannot be explained away
> > > > in any sense as part of a campaign of liberation."
> > > > Are the special police officers not the citizens of this nation, who
> > are
> > > > employed by the stste to maintain law and order and to contain the
> > > > deviants.?Have they got no families , wife and children, for whom
> they
> > > are
> > > > toiling in dangerous terrains of deviant domination.?
> > > > Naxalites have only one goal, to capture power for the leadership and
> > > their
> > > > sympathisers, who are cowards, who can not contest any election and
> > seek
> > > > public mandate, nor are they having guts to own the actions, unlike a
> > > > Bhagath singh whom they invoke when caught, for BHAGATH Singh did not
> > run
> > > > away and hide, faced the system, went thru the trial and prosecution,
> > > > claimed if he is born again, he will again act the same way of
> actions
> > to
> > > > seek freedom for the society and nation from the british rule. look
> at
> > > the
> > > > Kobads and varavara, who live in hiding, meet only "friendly'
> > journalists
> > > > and order executions of "informers." Naxalites killing the innocents
> is
> > > not
> > > > stste action of act against deviants, if they want, they can change
> the
> > > > "system" by democratic process but not by violence, if they do not
> > > > understand that they are the deviants in the democratic rule of laws,
> > > > deserve the prosecution by apprehending of the deviants.Naxalites
> have
> > > used
> > > > the words of war and enemy not the state, rule of laws in democracy
> > > demands
> > > > that the deviants be brought under the contained deviation, if
> > necessary
> > > by
> > > > force in the present circumstances, as rabids have to be put to
> sleep,
> > so
> > > > are the naxals and such deviants.
> > > > regards,
> > > > rajen
> > > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Shuddhabrata Sengupta <
> > > shuddha at sarai.net
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear All,
> > > > >
> > > > > While I have on several occasions expressed my disgust at the way
> in
> > > > > which the Government of India is conducting it's 'Operation Green
> > > > > Hunt', I have to say that the news of the attacks by alleged
> Maoists
> > > > > in Chattisgarh, in which 6 villagers have been killed, and more
> > > > > recently a bus, with several civilians (and some special police
> > > > > officers)  has been bombed, is deeply disturbing.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a totally different matter from attacking men in uniform,
> (such
> > > > > as the CRPF jawans who were attacked not so long ago, resulting in
> 76
> > > > > casualties). Though I do not support any war, including the Maoist
> > > > > initiated 'Peoples War' or for that matter, the Government of
> India's
> > > > > 'Operation Green Hunt',  in any war, armed men in uniform in a
> combat
> > > > > zone are fair targets. The death of the 76 CRPF jawans, though
> > > > > regrettable, is not in any way different from the death of any
> > > > > guerrila soldiers in the PLGA in any combat operation. I refuse to
> be
> > > > > blackmailed into thinking of such an event as an evidence of Maoist
> > > > > 'atrocities'.
> > > > >
> > > > > But by no stretch of imagination can the same principles of combat
> be
> > > > > extended in operations that involve unarmed civilians, (such as the
> > > > > incidents that have come to light today) no matter who conducts
> them.
> > > > > Regardless of whether the state or the Maoists conduct such
> > > > > operations, they must be condemned by all sensible people in the
> > > > > harshest terms. The Maoists, and the state must be compelled,
> through
> > > > > relentless civic pressure, to publicly abide by the Geneva
> > > > > Conventions in the matter on the treatment of non-combatants in a
> > > > > conflict situation. (And yes, there are conventions that shape the
> > > > > conduct of non-state actors, or the conduct of the state in
> relation
> > > > > to non-state actors)
> > > > >
> > > > > The presence of 15 special police officers in the bus that was
> bombed
> > > > > cannot be offered as a justification for the bombing, because a
> large
> > > > > number of people who were harmed in the attack had nothing to do
> with
> > > > > any arm of the state, they were just ordinary passengers. This is a
> > > > > simple and disgusting act of terrorism. It cannot be explained away
> > > > > in any sense as part of a campaign of liberation.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is true that these attacks have been carried out by the
> > > > > Maoists, then, it is clear that they want to ratchet up the general
> > > > > intensity of violence in the regions where they have a presence.
> They
> > > > > want the government to unleash a military style offensive, because
> > > > > nothing would serve their purpose better. There can be no other
> > > > > explanation for the manner of these attacks. This is a disastrous
> and
> > > > > cynical policy, which will wreck havoc with the lives of the people
> > > > > of the area and cannot be justified by any means whatsoever. If the
> > > > > government of India responds by increasing the level and intensity
> of
> > > > > the conflict, it will become an accessory of the Maoists design to
> > > > > totally militarize the areas of central, southern and eastern India
> > > > > where they currently have a presence.
> > > > >
> > > > > If nothing else, this shows how the policy of 'Protracted People's
> > > > > War' is bound to degenerate (and in fact is already degenerating)
> > > > > into an orgy of random violence, exactly as it did in Peru and
> > > > > Colombia, where the 'Sendero Luminoso' ('Shining Path') and 'FARC'
> > > > > rebels competed with the state and right-wing militias in a sad
> > > > > spiralling descent into armed chaos and brigandage that did nothing
> > > > > to fulfil any revolutionary goal. If anything it strengthened the
> > > > > might of the state and the right wing militias in Peru and
> Colombia.
> > > > > The Maoists actions (attacks on unarmed civilians) cannot bring
> about
> > > > > any other results either. The ultimate and only beneficiary of this
> > > > > process will be the state and the corporations who want total
> control
> > > > > over the forests of Central India.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, we must not rush to conclusions. If the Maoists disclaim
> > > > > responsibility for these attacks, then we will have to see whether
> or
> > > > > not such a disclaimer has any objective basis. Independent
> > > > > investigations will have to be carrired out. If, by any means, it
> is
> > > > > possible that these attacks are 'false flag' operations, conducted
> by
> > > > > rogue elements of the state machinery, or even endorsed by the
> state,
> > > > > then the responsibility for the violence will lie squarely on the
> > > > > state. It must, however, be understood by the Maoists (even if they
> > > > > have not perpetrated these massacres) that the style of their
> > > > > politics can and does ennable the state to conduct precisely such
> > > > > 'false flag' operations. If there are any amongst the leadership of
> > > > > the Maoists who are sensitive to the possibilities of forging an
> > > > > alternative radical politics they must begin considering the
> > > > > necessity of abandoning the disastrous method of 'protracted
> peoples
> > > > > war' and explore ways to an open, transparent, militant and public
> > > > > politics that does not involve the endless cycle of retreats and
> > > > > massacres.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wherever the truth may life, this is a very sad day indeed,
> > > > >
> > > > > best
> > > > >
> > > > > Shuddha
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Shuddhabrata Sengupta
> > > > > The Sarai Programme at CSDS
> > > > > Raqs Media Collective
> > > > > shuddha at sarai.net
> > > > > www.sarai.net
> > > > > www.raqsmediacollective.net
> > > > >
> > > > >
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