[Reader-list] NO CAVILING AT GUJARAT'S HARD FACTS

[Pawan Durani]

Anupam,

It seems you re always angry ....Never knew that a query would infuriate you
so much.

In recent case a Hindu marriage procession was not allowed to pass a road
where a mosque also existed.

What else do you need to know Mr Anupam C

pawan

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:14 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Pawan,
>
> An idol was desecrated just like temples were brought down in Gandhinagar
> and Mazars was razed in Karjan in Vadodara district, graves razed in Dahod,
> just like a Swami murdered in Vadtal at the swaminarayan temple. actually
> you know what, the God in that idol was killed long ago by their own
> believers. Didnt you know that Pawan? Pity that you are so blissfully
> unaware about it and feign some kind of innocence in initiating a discussion
> on communal rioting in Shahpur. That riots have become institutionalized in
> Gujarat and people place bets on them is a known fact as demonstrated by the
> arrest of Vadodara bookie, Arvind Valand last year where he confessed. for
> all you know, your discussion about this particular might be bringing more
> cash for the bookies.
>
> Instead you could address some of the questions i have put up for Bipin.
>
> anupam
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Any idea of recent communal riot in Shahpur , Ahmedabad....I dont see
>> anyone discussing that.
>>
>> pawan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:43 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Bipin,
>>>
>>> I have a few questions for you: When was the Sachar committee report
>>> filed?
>>> Was there any such committee before Sachar to assess the condition of one
>>> particular community as mentioned in your post? Do you think a
>>> comparative
>>> analysis is required in ascertaining the conditions prevalent in the
>>> community now and then?
>>>
>>> thanks anupam
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > To an editorial published in the Indian Express on May 22 titled "
>>> > <http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hard-facts-to-face/622193/> Hard
>>> facts
>>> > to
>>> > face" the Gujarat Government had sent a letter in response stating the
>>> > factual position regarding the status of Muslim in Gujarat.
>>> > <http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hard-facts/623677/0> A part of the
>>> > letter
>>> > was published in the Indian Express dated May 26, 2010. The complete
>>> > version
>>> > of the letter that was sent to the Editor Indian Express is enclosed
>>> > herewith so that you will be conversant with the real hard facts.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Refer link:
>>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hard-facts-to-face/622193/0
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > No caviling at Gujarat's hard facts
>>> >
>>> > How do Muslims fare in Gujarat? They fare much better compared to other
>>> > states. The objective study by the Prime Minister's high-level
>>> committee
>>> > headed by Justice Rajendra Sachar, appointed by Prime Minister Dr
>>> Manmohan
>>> > Singh in 2006, indicates that Muslims in Gujarat perform and fare much
>>> > better when compared with other states in several key indicators such
>>> as
>>> > education, employment, income and access to critical infrastructure.
>>> The
>>> > editorial in the Indian Express dated May 22, 2010 is mostly based on
>>> > perceptions and anecdotal evidences rather than hard facts. However the
>>> > facts below speak for themselves.
>>> >
>>> > In trying to make out a case for Muslim children being given a raw deal
>>> in
>>> > primary and upper primary school enrolment facts that has placed
>>> Muslims in
>>> > Gujarat on the top of literacy ladder have been totally ignored.
>>> According
>>> > to Sachar committee report the percentage of literacy of Muslims in
>>> Gujarat
>>> > is 73.5 per cent, the highest in India. It is pertinent to note that
>>> this
>>> > is
>>> > much higher than that of national average of 59.1 per cent and also the
>>> > percentage of literacy of Hindus in Gujarat which is 68.3 per cent.
>>> Even
>>> > Muslim women in urban areas of Gujarat have average literacy rate 5
>>> points
>>> > higher than the national average and rural Muslim women are far much
>>> better
>>> > with their literacy rate of 57 per cent as compared to the national
>>> average
>>> > of 43 per cent. If Muslim children are not provided education how can
>>> > Muslims in Gujarat attain the highest literacy rate in the country?
>>> >
>>> > During 2009-10 the enrolment of Muslim children has been 6.45 per cent
>>> (as
>>> > against 4.7 per cent reported). It should be kept mind that this
>>> percentage
>>> > excludes the enrolment in Madarsas and also some of the private schools
>>> > which do not provide segregated data. The very fact that Muslims in
>>> Gujarat
>>> > have the highest literacy rate in the country proves that they have
>>> access
>>> > to education much better than in other states. If you look at Muslim
>>> > education attainment those who have passed the primary stage are 74.9
>>> per
>>> > cent way ahead of the national average 60.9 per cent. In the category
>>> of
>>> > those who passed secondary education Gujarat at 45.3 is ahead of the
>>> > national average of 40.5 per cent. Even in the category of those who
>>> have
>>> > passed higher secondary level Gujarat with 26.1 per cent is ahead of
>>> the
>>> > national average of 23.9 per cent. In the average years of secondary
>>> > schooling provided between the age group of 7-16 once again Gujarat
>>> with
>>> > 4.29 per cent is ahead of the nationa Your reference to Juhapura area
>>> of
>>> > Ahmedabad lacking schools due to "gradual disentitlement and
>>> ghettoisation
>>> > of Gujarat's Muslims" is specious to the say the least as the facts
>>> prove
>>> > otherwise. There are eight high schools out of which three are
>>> > government-aided schools. In Juhapura and surrounding areas there are
>>> 13
>>> > municipal primary schools funded by the state government and also 15
>>> > private
>>> > schools. Far from being ghettoized there is ample opportunity for the
>>> > Muslim
>>> > children to enroll themselves.
>>> >
>>> > Secondly it has become a knee-jerk habit of secularists to pooh-pooh
>>> the
>>> > good governance of the state of Gujarat. And as to your question if
>>> "his
>>> > fabled governance genius translate into a better life for those his
>>> > politics
>>> > rejects?" the answer is clearly in the Sachar report which has called
>>> the
>>> > bluff of those who have tried to besmirch Gujarat.
>>> >
>>> > In the very social sectors which your editorial cites as the indicator
>>> of
>>> > percolation of development to the minorities, Sachar Committee report
>>> > reveals the performance of Gujarat is far better than many other
>>> states.
>>> > The
>>> > document also reveals Gujarat is far ahead in terms of providing
>>> education
>>> > facilities and health facilities. If we take the case availability of
>>> > schools in villages where there is Muslim population Gujarat is far
>>> ahead
>>> > of
>>> > the national average. In the category of villages with population of
>>> > Muslims
>>> > more than 2000 all the villages have education facility as against 98.7
>>> per
>>> > cent national average. In the category of 1000 to 2000 population, 99.9
>>> per
>>> > cent villages have education facilities as against the national average
>>> of
>>> > 95.4 per cent. In the category of less than 1000 population 98.6 per
>>> cent
>>> > of
>>> > the villages have education facility as against the national average of
>>> > 80.4
>>> > per cent.
>>> >
>>> > When we consider the availability of medical facilities in villages,
>>> where
>>> > Muslim population is more 2000, 89.9 per cent of the villages have
>>> medical
>>> > facilities as against the national average of 70.7 per cent. In the
>>> > category
>>> > of 1000-2000 population, 66.67 per cent of villages have medical
>>> facilities
>>> > against the national average of 43.5 per cent. In the category of
>>> villages
>>> > less than 1000 population, 53 per cent of the villages have medical
>>> > facilities as against the national average of 20.2 per cent.
>>> >
>>> > Even in the case of other indicators such as road connectivity,
>>> > availability
>>> > of pucca approach road etc Gujarat is far ahead of national average and
>>> > many
>>> > other states. Even on per month per capita income of Muslims is more
>>> than
>>> > the Hindus of Gujarat in rural areas. For Muslims it stands at Rs 668
>>> > compared to Rs 644 for Hindus (SCs Rs 527 and OBCs Rs 594). This is
>>> much
>>> > higher than many other states for example Andhra Pradesh (Rs 610); West
>>> > Bengal (Rs 501); UP (Rs 509); Karnataka (Rs 532); MP (Rs 475) . The per
>>> > capita income of Muslims in urban areas is also higher than the
>>> national
>>> > average and many other states. (see Sachar report). The prosperity of
>>> > Muslims in Gujarat when compared with other states is reflected in
>>> terms of
>>> > the bank account wise average deposit. For instance Gujarat it is Rs
>>> 32,932
>>> > compared to West Bengal Rs 13, 824, Assam Rs 26,319 to cite a few
>>> examples.
>>> >
>>> > If you take the employment of Muslims in critical departments of
>>> government
>>> > such as home department, state transport dept and even in public
>>> sectors
>>> > the
>>> > percentage of Muslims occupying high posts is higher in Gujarat when
>>> > compared with other States. Just to cite an example in Gujarat where
>>> the
>>> > percentage of Muslims is 9.1 the proportion of Muslims in high posts is
>>> 8.5
>>> > per cent whereas in West Bengal where the Muslim population is 25.2 per
>>> > cent
>>> > the proportion of Muslims is merely 1.2 per cent.
>>> >
>>> > To discuss on each and every parameter to establish that Muslims fare
>>> far
>>> > better in Gujarat is neither required nor possible to enumerate in a
>>> > letter.
>>> > Your editorial mentions that Modi should be open to verification of his
>>> > claims of inclusive development. The above mentioned facts clearly
>>> > demonstrate that better governance in Gujarat has been translated into
>>> a
>>> > better life for all the people in Gujarat, including the minorities.
>>> Your
>>> > editorial recommends open verification of the claims. The high-powered
>>> > committee appointed by the Prime Minister has to a great extent not
>>> only
>>> > verified the claims but also clearly established that these claims are
>>> > true.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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