[Reader-list] NO CAVILING AT GUJARAT'S HARD FACTS

Pawan Durani pawan.durani at gmail.com
Wed May 26 18:05:18 IST 2010 

Dear Anupam ,

If you are an atheist , I would respect your decision for being that.
However I would request you to respect others faith as well.

A stone for you may be a representation of God for many.

Please restrict your views on faith and oblige.

Pawan

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:52 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:

> Pawan,
>
> your intervention here is unneccesary. i think you have option of
> continuing this discussion anyway. doesnt it infuriate you that people in
> this country are out to kill each other for piece of stone?
>
> anupam
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Anupam,
>>
>> It seems you re always angry ....Never knew that
>> a query would infuriate you so much.
>>
>> In recent case a Hindu marriage procession was not allowed to pass a road
>> where a mosque also existed.
>>
>> What else do you need to know Mr Anupam C
>>
>> pawan
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:14 PM, anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Pawan,
>>>
>>> An idol was desecrated just like temples were brought down in Gandhinagar
>>> and Mazars was razed in Karjan in Vadodara district, graves razed in Dahod,
>>> just like a Swami murdered in Vadtal at the swaminarayan temple. actually
>>> you know what, the God in that idol was killed long ago by their own
>>> believers. Didnt you know that Pawan? Pity that you are so blissfully
>>> unaware about it and feign some kind of innocence in initiating a discussion
>>> on communal rioting in Shahpur. That riots have become institutionalized in
>>> Gujarat and people place bets on them is a known fact as demonstrated by the
>>> arrest of Vadodara bookie, Arvind Valand last year where he confessed. for
>>> all you know, your discussion about this particular might be bringing more
>>> cash for the bookies.
>>>
>>> Instead you could address some of the questions i have put up for Bipin.
>>>
>>> anupam
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Pawan Durani <pawan.durani at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any idea of recent communal riot in Shahpur , Ahmedabad....I dont see
>>>> anyone discussing that.
>>>>
>>>> pawan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:43 PM, anupam chakravartty <
>>>> c.anupam at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bipin,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a few questions for you: When was the Sachar committee report
>>>>> filed?
>>>>> Was there any such committee before Sachar to assess the condition of
>>>>> one
>>>>> particular community as mentioned in your post? Do you think a
>>>>> comparative
>>>>> analysis is required in ascertaining the conditions prevalent in the
>>>>> community now and then?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks anupam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > To an editorial published in the Indian Express on May 22 titled "
>>>>> > <http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hard-facts-to-face/622193/> Hard
>>>>> facts
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > face" the Gujarat Government had sent a letter in response stating
>>>>> the
>>>>> > factual position regarding the status of Muslim in Gujarat.
>>>>> > <http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hard-facts/623677/0> A part of
>>>>> the
>>>>> > letter
>>>>> > was published in the Indian Express dated May 26, 2010. The complete
>>>>> > version
>>>>> > of the letter that was sent to the Editor Indian Express is enclosed
>>>>> > herewith so that you will be conversant with the real hard facts.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Refer link:
>>>>> http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hard-facts-to-face/622193/0
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > No caviling at Gujarat's hard facts
>>>>> >
>>>>> > How do Muslims fare in Gujarat? They fare much better compared to
>>>>> other
>>>>> > states. The objective study by the Prime Minister's high-level
>>>>> committee
>>>>> > headed by Justice Rajendra Sachar, appointed by Prime Minister Dr
>>>>> Manmohan
>>>>> > Singh in 2006, indicates that Muslims in Gujarat perform and fare
>>>>> much
>>>>> > better when compared with other states in several key indicators such
>>>>> as
>>>>> > education, employment, income and access to critical infrastructure.
>>>>> The
>>>>> > editorial in the Indian Express dated May 22, 2010 is mostly based on
>>>>> > perceptions and anecdotal evidences rather than hard facts. However
>>>>> the
>>>>> > facts below speak for themselves.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In trying to make out a case for Muslim children being given a raw
>>>>> deal in
>>>>> > primary and upper primary school enrolment facts that has placed
>>>>> Muslims in
>>>>> > Gujarat on the top of literacy ladder have been totally ignored.
>>>>> According
>>>>> > to Sachar committee report the percentage of literacy of Muslims in
>>>>> Gujarat
>>>>> > is 73.5 per cent, the highest in India. It is pertinent to note that
>>>>> this
>>>>> > is
>>>>> > much higher than that of national average of 59.1 per cent and also
>>>>> the
>>>>> > percentage of literacy of Hindus in Gujarat which is 68.3 per cent.
>>>>> Even
>>>>> > Muslim women in urban areas of Gujarat have average literacy rate 5
>>>>> points
>>>>> > higher than the national average and rural Muslim women are far much
>>>>> better
>>>>> > with their literacy rate of 57 per cent as compared to the national
>>>>> average
>>>>> > of 43 per cent. If Muslim children are not provided education how can
>>>>> > Muslims in Gujarat attain the highest literacy rate in the country?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > During 2009-10 the enrolment of Muslim children has been 6.45 per
>>>>> cent (as
>>>>> > against 4.7 per cent reported). It should be kept mind that this
>>>>> percentage
>>>>> > excludes the enrolment in Madarsas and also some of the private
>>>>> schools
>>>>> > which do not provide segregated data. The very fact that Muslims in
>>>>> Gujarat
>>>>> > have the highest literacy rate in the country proves that they have
>>>>> access
>>>>> > to education much better than in other states. If you look at Muslim
>>>>> > education attainment those who have passed the primary stage are 74.9
>>>>> per
>>>>> > cent way ahead of the national average 60.9 per cent. In the category
>>>>> of
>>>>> > those who passed secondary education Gujarat at 45.3 is ahead of the
>>>>> > national average of 40.5 per cent. Even in the category of those who
>>>>> have
>>>>> > passed higher secondary level Gujarat with 26.1 per cent is ahead of
>>>>> the
>>>>> > national average of 23.9 per cent. In the average years of secondary
>>>>> > schooling provided between the age group of 7-16 once again Gujarat
>>>>> with
>>>>> > 4.29 per cent is ahead of the nationa Your reference to Juhapura area
>>>>> of
>>>>> > Ahmedabad lacking schools due to "gradual disentitlement and
>>>>> ghettoisation
>>>>> > of Gujarat's Muslims" is specious to the say the least as the facts
>>>>> prove
>>>>> > otherwise. There are eight high schools out of which three are
>>>>> > government-aided schools. In Juhapura and surrounding areas there are
>>>>> 13
>>>>> > municipal primary schools funded by the state government and also 15
>>>>> > private
>>>>> > schools. Far from being ghettoized there is ample opportunity for the
>>>>> > Muslim
>>>>> > children to enroll themselves.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Secondly it has become a knee-jerk habit of secularists to pooh-pooh
>>>>> the
>>>>> > good governance of the state of Gujarat. And as to your question if
>>>>> "his
>>>>> > fabled governance genius translate into a better life for those his
>>>>> > politics
>>>>> > rejects?" the answer is clearly in the Sachar report which has called
>>>>> the
>>>>> > bluff of those who have tried to besmirch Gujarat.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In the very social sectors which your editorial cites as the
>>>>> indicator of
>>>>> > percolation of development to the minorities, Sachar Committee report
>>>>> > reveals the performance of Gujarat is far better than many other
>>>>> states.
>>>>> > The
>>>>> > document also reveals Gujarat is far ahead in terms of providing
>>>>> education
>>>>> > facilities and health facilities. If we take the case availability of
>>>>> > schools in villages where there is Muslim population Gujarat is far
>>>>> ahead
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > the national average. In the category of villages with population of
>>>>> > Muslims
>>>>> > more than 2000 all the villages have education facility as against
>>>>> 98.7 per
>>>>> > cent national average. In the category of 1000 to 2000 population,
>>>>> 99.9 per
>>>>> > cent villages have education facilities as against the national
>>>>> average of
>>>>> > 95.4 per cent. In the category of less than 1000 population 98.6 per
>>>>> cent
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > the villages have education facility as against the national average
>>>>> of
>>>>> > 80.4
>>>>> > per cent.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > When we consider the availability of medical facilities in villages,
>>>>> where
>>>>> > Muslim population is more 2000, 89.9 per cent of the villages have
>>>>> medical
>>>>> > facilities as against the national average of 70.7 per cent. In the
>>>>> > category
>>>>> > of 1000-2000 population, 66.67 per cent of villages have medical
>>>>> facilities
>>>>> > against the national average of 43.5 per cent. In the category of
>>>>> villages
>>>>> > less than 1000 population, 53 per cent of the villages have medical
>>>>> > facilities as against the national average of 20.2 per cent.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Even in the case of other indicators such as road connectivity,
>>>>> > availability
>>>>> > of pucca approach road etc Gujarat is far ahead of national average
>>>>> and
>>>>> > many
>>>>> > other states. Even on per month per capita income of Muslims is more
>>>>> than
>>>>> > the Hindus of Gujarat in rural areas. For Muslims it stands at Rs 668
>>>>> > compared to Rs 644 for Hindus (SCs Rs 527 and OBCs Rs 594). This is
>>>>> much
>>>>> > higher than many other states for example Andhra Pradesh (Rs 610);
>>>>> West
>>>>> > Bengal (Rs 501); UP (Rs 509); Karnataka (Rs 532); MP (Rs 475) . The
>>>>> per
>>>>> > capita income of Muslims in urban areas is also higher than the
>>>>> national
>>>>> > average and many other states. (see Sachar report). The prosperity of
>>>>> > Muslims in Gujarat when compared with other states is reflected in
>>>>> terms of
>>>>> > the bank account wise average deposit. For instance Gujarat it is Rs
>>>>> 32,932
>>>>> > compared to West Bengal Rs 13, 824, Assam Rs 26,319 to cite a few
>>>>> examples.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you take the employment of Muslims in critical departments of
>>>>> government
>>>>> > such as home department, state transport dept and even in public
>>>>> sectors
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > percentage of Muslims occupying high posts is higher in Gujarat when
>>>>> > compared with other States. Just to cite an example in Gujarat where
>>>>> the
>>>>> > percentage of Muslims is 9.1 the proportion of Muslims in high posts
>>>>> is 8.5
>>>>> > per cent whereas in West Bengal where the Muslim population is 25.2
>>>>> per
>>>>> > cent
>>>>> > the proportion of Muslims is merely 1.2 per cent.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > To discuss on each and every parameter to establish that Muslims fare
>>>>> far
>>>>> > better in Gujarat is neither required nor possible to enumerate in a
>>>>> > letter.
>>>>> > Your editorial mentions that Modi should be open to verification of
>>>>> his
>>>>> > claims of inclusive development. The above mentioned facts clearly
>>>>> > demonstrate that better governance in Gujarat has been translated
>>>>> into a
>>>>> > better life for all the people in Gujarat, including the minorities.
>>>>> Your
>>>>> > editorial recommends open verification of the claims. The
>>>>> high-powered
>>>>> > committee appointed by the Prime Minister has to a great extent not
>>>>> only
>>>>> > verified the claims but also clearly established that these claims
>>>>> are
>>>>> > true.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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