[Reader-list] My Wings of Fire ( Reply To Shudha ji )
Khaqsar Wangoo
veeruz at gmail.com
Thu Nov 4 12:07:01 IST 2010
Thanks Samvit,
Trust me I joined SARAI with lot of optimism but it turned out to be a
militant bash/party here. I forgive and forget quickly such incidents. That
is my Nature.
SARAI in Kashmiri means a place where travelers stay, pilgrims converge,
merchants interact and different cultures can compositely co exist with
pluralism and multilateral dimensions because cooking place is shared . A
modern day Bed and Breakfast cant replace it :):)
Was my thought wrong or am I being misled by my so called RIGHTIST friends
into SARAI :) ?
Should I look for capitalistic five star hotel or should they rename SARAI
as MADRASSA ?
With Regrets ,
Khaqsar Wangoo
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems like a typical case of Khisyanee billi khamba nochee with
> people like Shuddha. They do not want to listen to anyone and have
> already proclaimed themselves to be the Messiah of the masses. If
> others put in their thoughts it is regarded as "right wing trash" and
> "garbage". And if he speaks it becomes the Gospel truth which everyone
> has to mandatorily agree with.
> I think this is a place where everyone should put his/her views and
> when people differ they can answer in a dignified manner. There are
> times when people use verbiage as a euphemism for certain things to
> put across a point and that should not be treated with disdain.
> -SR
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Khaqsar Wangoo <veeruz at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Shudha ji,
> >
> > Almighty didn't give me the privelege to have wings ( left or Right
> > ),so labelling me as Rightists would be challenging his wisdom.
> >
> > Being leftist or centrist is again a misnormer. Will stone pelting
> > make me centrist moderate or wielding gun make me leftist.
> >
> > A Refugee in his own nation has no ideology but a yearing to undo the
> > past and wish to return to his homeland.
> >
> > You may laugh at it now... why r u waiting for future archives. I have
> > archived my 7 exoduses at Breif History of Kashmir
> > http://koshur.blogspot.com . Plz laugh at that archive.
> >
> > My question was a simple one but your reaction was complex one with a
> > sense of heart burn against my so called friends even. Man becomes a
> > militant thrologist with a Narcissist (no spell check ) ideology
> > whenever he thinks that other person is writing or saying THRASH. Plz
> > abstain SHUDHA ( the pure ).
> >
> > I regret that SARAI would like to listen only to the people who
> > subscribe to Leftis Moist Islamic militant ideology only rather than
> > simple humanistic view.
> >
> > My Wings of Fire are yet to be unleashed on Sarai , please don't panic
> > but collaborate on a healthy debate.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Khaqsar Wangoo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/4/10, reader-list-request at sarai.net <reader-list-request at sarai.net>
> wrote:
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> >> 1. Social status doesn’t give immunity to fiction-writer
> >> Arundhati Roy (Aditya Raj Kaul)
> >> 2. Re: Social status doesn’t give immunity to fiction-writer
> >> Arundhati Roy (Rajkamal Goswami)
> >> 3. Re: Social status doesn’t give immunity to fiction-writer
> >> Arundhati Roy (Rajkamal Goswami)
> >> 4. Re: Social status doesn’t give immunity to fiction-writer
> >> Arundhati Roy (anupam chakravartty)
> >> 5. Re: Fwd: Your message to reader-list awaits moderator
> >> approval (shuddha at sarai.net)
> >> 6. Re: discomfort (Ana Valdés)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 00:43:45 +0530
> >> From: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> >> To: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Subject: [Reader-list] Social status doesn’t give immunity to
> >> fiction-writer Arundhati Roy
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <AANLkTi=jLjp2tSmKHSeqsdBX=Q8DMiT263q1AESb6f1h at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >>
> >> *Social status doesn’t give immunity to Arundhati*
> >> November 04, 2010 12:46:47 AM
> >>
> >> *Amitabh Thakur*
> >>
> >> *Just because Arundhati Roy is hailed as intellectual, law must not be
> >> misinterpreted to legalize her act of sedition. Because no law permits
> such
> >> transgression wrapped in pleas and rhetoric where its very foundation is
> >> questioned*
> >>
> >> Arundhati Roy needs no introduction in India or abroad. A Booker Prize
> >> winner, she has over the period emerged as a social activist who has her
> own
> >> perspectives and thoughts on many pertinent issues. More often than not,
> >> these views get into lots of controversy. There are people who say that
> >> these controversies turn into an advantage for Arundhati Roy, who always
> >> comes up with larger number of fans and followers in the aftermath of
> each
> >> such controversy.
> >>
> >> Possibly following the same thing, in a meeting on Kashmir called “Azadi
> —
> >> The Only Way” organised in LTG Auditorium, New Delhi, on October 21, she
> >> along with SAR Geelani and Syed Ali Shah Geelani spoke words which
> clearly
> >> come in the purview of sedition. She said, “Kashmir should get *azadi
> *from
> >> *bhookhey-nangey * Hindustan … India needs *azadi *from Kashmir and
> Kashmir
> >> from India. It is a good debate that has started. We must deepen this
> >> conversation and am happy that young people are getting involved for
> this
> >> cause, which is their future.” Similarly at a seminar on “Wither
> Kashmir:
> >> Freedom or enslavement” held in Srinagar Arundhati Roy said, “Kashmir
> has
> >> never been an integral part of India. It is a historical fact. Even the
> >> Indian Government has accepted this.”
> >>
> >> Now, we all know that Article 19(1)(a) of our Constitution provides
> right to
> >> freedom of speech and expression to all its citizen but at the same time
> >> Article 19(2) imposes reasonable restrictions on the exercise of the
> right
> >> conferred by the said subclause in the interests of the sovereignty and
> >> integrity of India, the security of the State etc. Similarly, section
> 121,
> >> 121A and 124A of the Indian Penal Code talk of waging, or attempting to
> wage
> >> war, or abetting waging of war, against the Government of India and also
> >> about sedition. Sedition is very clearly defined as an act “by words,
> either
> >> spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representation, or
> otherwise”
> >> bringing or attempting to bring into hatred or contempt, or exciting or
> >> attempting to excite disaffection towards the Government established by
> law
> >> in India.
> >>
> >> So far these laws remain very much in force in India. In fact, Article
> >> 19(2)(a) and section 124A of the IPC has been challenged many a times
> even
> >> in the Supreme Court but the highest Court of the land has upheld it as
> >> being constitutional and illegal. Thus, as ordinary citizen of India we
> are
> >> duty bound to follow them. In case anyone of us have views divergent to
> the
> >> above laws, we only have two options — either to get them amended in the
> >> Parliament or to get them stuck down in the Court. None of these has
> been
> >> done and hence it becomes the duty of a citizen to follow them in letter
> and
> >> spirit. Or to face the legal consequences when we violate it. There is
> not
> >> much genius required to understand this, this is simple logic.
> >>
> >> Yes, we all have the right as human beings to have certain opinions and
> >> views and also to firmly believe in them but when it comes to expressing
> >> these views in the public domain, each one of us has to adhere to the
> law of
> >> the land. There exists the paramountcy of law, as long as it exists in a
> >> given format and no one, including Arundhati Roy can be considered to be
> >> above law. And when the matter is related with the basic integrity and
> unity
> >> of the nation, the seriousness of the matter increases manifold. This is
> >> important because any laxity or relaxation on this account might act as
> a
> >> motivating factor and precedence to others to take law in their own
> hands,
> >> to the extent of playing with the nation’s very basic foundations. The
> >> situation becomes all the more serious when the persons committing the
> crime
> >> are considered among the respected members of the society and claim to
> be
> >> intellectuals and thinkers in their own way.
> >>
> >> I don’t need to explain why the words quoted above as being that of
> >> Arundhati Roy fall under the purview of sedition. Can one think of any
> >> nation which would allow open talks of its own dismemberment? When the
> very
> >> basic foundation and existence of the country is lost, how can it cater
> to
> >> its other required duties? So, just because Arundhati Roy is a celebrity
> and
> >> has widely been hailed as an intellectual, do her illegal and
> >> unconstitutional words become legalised?
> >>
> >> After the matter became hotly discussed, Arundhati Roy is quoted to have
> >> said that she said what millions of people here say every day. She says
> that
> >> her speeches are fundamentally a call for justice and that she “spoke
> about
> >> justice for the people of Kashmir who live under one of the most brutal
> >> military occupations in the world”. She also blames someone (presumably
> >> India) in the following words- “Pity the nation that has to silence its
> >> writers for speaking their minds. Pity the nation that needs to jail
> those
> >> who ask for justice”.
> >>
> >> But do all these pleas and rhetoric make a crime, as defined in a law
> book,
> >> as something else? Which law would permit such a transgression where
> it’s
> >> very foundations are questioned? And if a person still feels that what
> he or
> >> she is speaking is true, then another thing shall happen simultaneously
> —
> >> the code of law shall be imposed in the most impassioned, efficient and
> >> value-neutral manner, without thinking twice about who it is that is
> >> violating the law. This is the basic criteria and definition of law that
> we
> >> all understand and adhere to.
> >>
> >> --*The writer, presently on study leave at IIM Lucknow, is an IPS
> officers
> >> of UP Cadre.
> >>
> >> Link -
> >>
> http://www.dailypioneer.com/294261/Social-status-doesn%E2%80%99t-give-immunity-to-Arundhati.html
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 01:01:59 +0530
> >> From: Rajkamal Goswami <rajkamalgoswami at gmail.com>
> >> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Social status doesn’t give immunity to
> >> fiction-writer Arundhati Roy
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <AANLkTimKpp853ZAGaDF5Mfy7ncMdCBsW+d1Neo_j3nH8 at mail.gmail.com<AANLkTimKpp853ZAGaDF5Mfy7ncMdCBsW%2Bd1Neo_j3nH8 at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> Dear Aditya,
> >>
> >> "..............So far these laws remain very much in force in India. In
> >> fact, Article
> >> 19(2)(a) and section 124A of the IPC has been challenged many a times
> even
> >> in the Supreme Court but the highest Court of the land has upheld it as
> >> being constitutional and illegal. Thus, as ordinary citizen of India we
> are
> >> duty bound to follow them. ......"
> >>
> >> The words above are from the article that you sent around. Can you (or
> Mr.
> >> Thakur, ips) explain the meaning of these words in the context in which
> it
> >> is being used?
> >>
> >> I would reserve my critique of the article till then.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Rajkamal
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 01:03:36 +0530
> >> From: Rajkamal Goswami <rajkamalgoswami at gmail.com>
> >> To: Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Social status doesn’t give immunity to
> >> fiction-writer Arundhati Roy
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <AANLkTi=44aYHYSyRf=cOwYEzuvbyrYe91qCu2uPazXFf at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>
> >> When I say "these words" in my previous mail, I mean the words that I
> >> highlighted.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> Rajkamal
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Rajkamal Goswami
> >> <rajkamalgoswami at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Aditya,
> >>>
> >>> "..............So far these laws remain very much in force in India. In
> >>> fact, Article
> >>> 19(2)(a) and section 124A of the IPC has been challenged many a times
> even
> >>> in the Supreme Court but the highest Court of the land has upheld it as
> >>> being constitutional and illegal. Thus, as ordinary citizen of India we
> >>> are
> >>> duty bound to follow them. ......"
> >>>
> >>> The words above are from the article that you sent around. Can you (or
> Mr.
> >>> Thakur, ips) explain the meaning of these words in the context in which
> it
> >>> is being used?
> >>>
> >>> I would reserve my critique of the article till then.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Rajkamal
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rajkamal
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 01:24:23 +0530
> >> From: anupam chakravartty <c.anupam at gmail.com>
> >> To: Rajkamal Goswami <rajkamalgoswami at gmail.com>, sarai list
> >> <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Social status doesn’t give immunity to
> >> fiction-writer Arundhati Roy
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <AANLkTi=tzGVkzsXwCPeQnH5-fJgTij-XYLZnHs737Wah at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >>
> >> Mr Thakur writes: "She also blames someone (presumably India) in the
> >> following words- “Pity the nation that has to silence its writers for
> >> speaking their minds. Pity the nation that needs to jail those who ask
> for
> >> justice”.
> >>
> >> Haven't we been presuming a lot of things recently about people and
> passing
> >> judgments? Even I have been doing so. I feel guilty.
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 01:35:29 +0530
> >> From: "shuddha at sarai.net" <shuddha at sarai.net>
> >> To: <reader-list at sarai.net> , Khaqsar Wangoo <veeruz at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: Your message to reader-list awaits
> >> moderator approval
> >> Message-ID: <13916c1e7c59e56f6a4443e126577733 at mail.sarai.net>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=fixed
> >>
> >> Dear Mr. Wangoo,
> >>
> >> I am not the moderator of the list, but I am aware of how this list
> works,
> >> and
> >> electronic discussion lists in general function. When you get a message
> from
> >> the list-bot such as (<reader-list-bounces at sarai.net> which is a
> software
> >> programme not a human being) saying that your "Message has implicit
> >> destination"
> >>
> >> it occurs because - of a simple oversight on the part of the sender,
> such as
> >> a
> >> person not filling in the To or CC fields of the message.
> >>
> >> For more on this see
> >>
> >> http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030676
> >>
> >> Please do us the favour of refraining from imagining that this list
> >> 'censors'
> >> the kind of right-wing trash that you and your friends regularly send on
> to
> >> the
> >> list. No, every piece of garbage that is sent to this list is archived,
> so
> >> that
> >> decades from now we can laugh (or sigh) at the madness, lies and calumny
> >> that
> >> you all put us through, and that we all suffer, patiently.
> >>
> >> best,
> >>
> >> Shuddha (your fellow list member)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 21:57:45 +0530 Khaqsar Wangoo <veeruz at gmail.com>
> wrote
> >>
> >>> Any Reason why Free Speech is being moderated at SARAI now ?
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> >>> Date: Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:53 PM
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> >>> To: veeruz at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Your mail to 'reader-list' with the subject
> >>>
> >>> Court asks for report on Geelani, Arundhati speeches
> >>>
> >>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> >>>
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> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 00:08:33 +0100
> >> From: Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com>
> >> To: francesca recchia <kiccovich at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] discomfort
> >> Message-ID:
> >> <AANLkTikAfqo3zVbUDCZ9LE3mVDntoiC2r+Ar3gSKpWVa at mail.gmail.com<AANLkTikAfqo3zVbUDCZ9LE3mVDntoiC2r%2BAr3gSKpWVa at mail.gmail.com>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >>
> >> Thank you dear Shudda for your kind letter! I agree with you and others
> >> about the need to widen the reach of this list, I feel than many topics
> you
> >> discuss about India today are the same topics we discussed when I was
> young
> >> in South America in the 70:s.
> >> Freedom of expression is not only a right but it's also a responsability
> and
> >> I think we should be careful and remember the words of the German priest
> >> Martin Niemöller.
> >> He wrote:
> >> "When they come for the communists I didn't react
> >> I was not a communist
> >> When they took the tradeunionsleaders I didn't react
> >> I was not a tradeunionist
> >> They come for the catholics I didn't react
> >> I was not a catholic
> >> When they come for me
> >> it was nobody who could speak for me"-
> >>
> >> (I quote Niemöller from memory now, I think the poem was much more
> detailed
> >> :(
> >>
> >> I am not for or against what Arundathi Roy say, I don't have any
> knowledge
> >> in the matter. But I defend her right to express her opinions without
> >> attracting a ,mob who vandalize her house.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Ana
> >> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:53 PM, francesca recchia
> >> <kiccovich at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Shudda and all
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much for your messages. I very much appreciated that
> voices
> >>> who
> >>> are generally quieter felt the need to reply - there is a diversity in
> the
> >>> list
> >>> that is worth ackonwledging and giving value to.
> >>>
> >>> The question of freedom of expression is an interesting one. It is a
> >>> subject
> >>> very dear to me - last May I tried to organise a public debate on this
> >>> subject
> >>> in Iraqi Kurdistan and was denied the autorisation.
> >>> Still I feel the need of questioning what freedom of speech actually
> >>> means.
> >>> And
> >>> what is the role of individual responsability in excercising such
> freedom.
> >>> I am
> >>> not talking about self-censorship, but rather about respect and "good
> >>> manners"
> >>> (however old fashion this might sound).
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Francesca
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> francesca recchia
> >>> kiccovich at yahoo.com
> >>> it +39 338 166 3648
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: "shuddha at sarai.net" <shuddha at sarai.net>
> >>> To: sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>; francesca recchia <
> kiccovich at yahoo.com>
> >>> Sent: Wed, 3 November, 2010 17:04:16
> >>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] discomfort
> >>>
> >>> Dear Francesca,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much for your message. I feel equally disheartened on
> >>> seeing
> >>> this list being abused to call for bans, denunciations and character
> >>> assasination of all kinds, particularly by a motivated minority of
> people
> >>> on
> >>> this list whose 'nationalism' permits them to cross the lines of
> decency
> >>> on
> >>> more than one occasion.
> >>>
> >>> I believe that this list is a space for the freedom of speech,
> >>> unfortunately,
> >>> this means that we have to live with this kind of abuse. While I
> >>> completely
> >>> disagree with the kind of speech that some people practice obsessively
> on
> >>> this
> >>> list, I believe that it is their right to do what they wish with their
> >>> speech
> >>> acts.The only antidote to it is for everyone else, like you, like me,
> like
> >>> all
> >>> those committed to an open space to post, with care and with passion,
> and
> >>> about
> >>> a diversity of issues, to not let any one issue, any one tenor,
> dominate
> >>> the
> >>> tone and character of the list.
> >>>
> >>> My appeal to you would be to you, and to all the silent readers of the
> >>> list, to
> >>> reclaim the list, to make it their own, to discuss all the diverse and
> >>> strange
> >>> and rich experiences that are a part of our daily lives and thoughts
> may
> >>> find a
> >>> reflection in this sapce, so that the efforts of an aggressive
> minority
> >>> to
> >>> monopolize the space of discussion is not able to succeed.
> >>>
> >>> If we believe in freedom of speech, then we have to enrich this space,
> to
> >>> demonstrate that freedom of speech is not ONLY the freedom to hate and
> >>> spread
> >>> poison.
> >>>
> >>> I look forward to reading what you, and what everyone thinks and feels,
> >>>
> >>> best,
> >>>
> >>> Shuddha
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:58:14 -0700 (PDT) francesca recchia <
> >>> kiccovich at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote
> >>>
> >>> > Dear all
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > I am writing this message as in the past days it often happen to me
> to
> >>> > discuss
> >>> > about the list with different people from different contexts in
> >>> > different
> >>> > places.
> >>> >
> >>> > I feel that the potentials of exchange and interactions that the list
> >>> offers
> >>> > are
> >>> > immense - an incredible spring of food for thoughts that
> unfortunately
> >>> often
> >>> > gets lost in personal attacks, petty accusations, aggressive tones
> and
> >>> > dismissive attitude.
> >>> > I understand that some political matters are close to people's heart,
> >>> > but
> >>> > this
> >>> > does not justify the lowering of the tone of the intellectual
> exchange.
> >>> >
> >>> > I have often thought of unsubscribing, but the knowledge that every
> once
> >>> in a
> >>> >
> >>> > while there is the chance of positive engagement prevented me from
> >>> > doing
> >>> so.
> >>> >
> >>> > My posts have often gone unanswered - i reckon they are not very
> >>> interesting
> >>> > to
> >>> > the other members - i wonder whether this will get any response. :)
> >>> >
> >>> > Warmly
> >>> > francesca
> >>> > francesca recchia
> >>> > kiccovich at yahoo.com
> >>> > it +39 338 166 3648
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > _________________________________________
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> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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