[Reader-list] KASHMIR SURVEY FINDS NO MAJORITY FOR INDEPENDENCE

Sat Nov 6 22:51:32 IST 2010

Dear Inder,

Thanks for calling me Indian nationalist. Presence of Army is not against Kashmir valley people and we don't need to protect Kashmir since it is belong to India. Army is for protecting infiltration of terrorist from across the border carried out by rogue Pakistan. It is to protect from Pakistan only.

Thanks
Bipin Trivedi

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From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:reader-list-bounces at sarai.net] On Behalf Of Inder Salim
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:41 PM
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Dear Bipin

you dont answer me,

how you as Indian nationalist dream to hold Kashmir as part of India
without the presence of Army ?

please answer

but with love
is

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
> Dear Inder,
>
> Good dream keep it up. But will you succeed? You have didn't reply me sending again bellow.
>
> So, those who supports for Kashmir valley independence and agitating constantly for it have to divert at the first stage their agitation to divide Kashmir valley as separate state else their movement is of no use and will not get any result for the years. If they have taken for granted that their agitation supported by entire J&K then they are fool. So, agitate first in the proper direction.
>
> Thanks
> Bipin Trivedi
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:reader-list-bounces at sarai.net] On Behalf Of Inder Salim
> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 10:24 PM
> To: reader-list
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] KASHMIR SURVEY FINDS NO MAJORITY FOR INDEPENDENCE
>
> Dear Bipin
>
> it is 100 per cent
> i thought of giving you some concession of 00.01 percent, but it does not work
>
> what can one do?
>
> love in any case
>
> is
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>> 99.99 of Kashmir valley against Indian presence there? Good day dream..............keep it up
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: reader-list-bounces at sarai.net [mailto:reader-list-bounces at sarai.net] On Behalf Of Inder Salim
>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 2:57 PM
>> To: reader-list
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] KASHMIR SURVEY FINDS NO MAJORITY FOR INDEPENDENCE
>>
>> dear Samvit
>>
>> repeating the same para , it was on purpose, and it did it first time,
>> just to see its effect on friends on the list, and you can see you and
>> your like minded friends are reacting.
>>
>> yes,  it indeed provokes, so it is confirmed that when we use some
>> propoganda repeatedly it does create some impact. Govt of India has
>> used these tools in kashsmir, so has Govt of Pakistan, if you know the
>> history of Radio of those days.
>>
>> i am not too fond of these surveys, but this is confirmed that 99.99
>> percent people in kashmir valley are against Indian presence there.
>> you may say otherwise, but if the day is day, we need to say it is day
>> light, not night, right
>>
>> so what is your approach to that, Indian Army to quell that sentiment, or what ?
>>
>> The new politics of Kashmir valley is very profound, and you should
>> see reflection of that in FB, how deep the pro azadi sentiment is, and
>> how can you reverse that.?
>>
>> let us get real, and look serious in our arguments,
>> with love
>> is
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Inder,
>>> can you stop repeating the same paragraph again and again. I do not
>>> understand what kind of behavior this is. You are making a mockery of this
>>> forum. You have every right to put forth your views and contradict others
>>> but that does not mean you stoop to such levels that you have to send spam.
>>> This kind of behavior is very juvenile.
>>> -SR
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, which has been at the heart of a
>>>> > 20-year-old insurgency against Indian rule, between 74 percent and 95
>>>> > percent respondents favoured independent Kashmir.
>>>>
>>>> In the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, which has been at the heart of a
>>>> > 20-year-old insurgency against Indian rule, between 74 percent and 95
>>>> > percent respondents favoured independent Kashmir.
>>>>
>>>> In the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, which has been at the heart of a
>>>> > 20-year-old insurgency against Indian rule, between 74 percent and 95
>>>> > percent respondents favoured independent Kashmir.
>>>>
>>>> In the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, which has been at the heart of a
>>>> > 20-year-old insurgency against Indian rule, between 74 percent and 95
>>>> > percent respondents favoured independent Kashmir.
>>>>
>>>> In the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, which has been at the heart of a
>>>> > 20-year-old insurgency against Indian rule, between 74 percent and 95
>>>> > percent respondents favoured independent Kashmir.
>>>>
>>>> In the Muslim-majority Kashmir valley, which has been at the heart of a
>>>> > 20-year-old insurgency against Indian rule, between 74 percent and 95
>>>> > percent respondents favoured independent Kashmir.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i_ynr0-yXCshxv0x802hR9DLu
>>>> > 4fA
>>>> >
>>>> > (AFP) - May 27, 2010
>>>> >
>>>> > SRINAGAR, India - Less than half of residents in both the Indian and
>>>> > Pakistani zones of Kashmir favour independence as a solution to end
>>>> > unrest
>>>> > in the disputed Himalayan region, a survey said Thursday.
>>>> >
>>>> > Conducted by British academic Robert Bradnock, the independent survey
>>>> > found
>>>> > that 44 percent of people in Pakistani-administered Kashmir favour
>>>> > independence, and 43 percent in Indian-administered Kashmir.
>>>> >
>>>> > United Nations resolutions soon after the partition of the sub-continent
>>>> > in
>>>> > 1947 called for a plebiscite to determine whether the region should
>>>> > belong
>>>> > to India or Pakistan, both of which claim Kashmir in full.
>>>> >
>>>> > "These results support the already widespread view that the plebiscite
>>>> > options are likely to offer no solution to the dispute," said the
>>>> > survey,
>>>> > which was released by the London-based Chatham House think-tank.
>>>> >
>>>> > Titled "Kashmir: Paths to Peace", it was a rare attempt to assess the
>>>> > opinions of people on both sides of the Line of Control (LOC) -- the de
>>>> > facto border that splits the region between the two rival nations.
>>>> >
>>>> > "Any solution will depend on the Indian and Pakistani governments?
>>>> > commitment to achieving a permanent settlement," Bradnock said.
>>>> > The survey interviewed about 3,800 people to record their views on how
>>>> > they
>>>> > saw the future of Kashmir -- a scenic region that has been a constant
>>>> > source
>>>> > of tension between India and Pakistan.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > But in the Hindu-dominated Jammu region -- which is also part of Indian
>>>> > Kashmir -- support for independence dwindled to less than one percent.
>>>> > The survey found that the "overwhelming majority" of people wanted a
>>>> > solution to the dispute, even though there were no "simple fixes".
>>>> > More than 47,000 people have died in Indian Kashmir since the eruption
>>>> > of
>>>> > the insurgency in 1989.
>>>> >
>>>> > India and Pakistan have fought two of their three wars over Kashmir, but
>>>> > a
>>>> > recent peace process has brought a reduction in violence.
>>>> >
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