[Reader-list] Wikileaks and the End of America!

[Pheeta Ram]

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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 9:14 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Well, actually it is not only Iraqis there are many Afghanis who don't
> want US to leave. The leaders of the colonial power are looking for an
> excuse to leave but some people want to remain "colonized".
>
> Let me think why should I have a soft corner for the US. I should say
> though that I was part of demonstrations in Delhi that happened soon after
> US invasion of Iraq. I wonder what you say about the regime that the
> invasion brought down. Wonder where does Saddam and Iraqis stand in your
> "victim tyrant" "colonizer colonized" binary.
>
> So what is in US that we should like about that country? US is one of the
> best democracies. I just heard a report from France where Jews still are not
> comfortable identifying as jews, no such problem in US. Muslims are building
> a mosque just next to World Trade Center, the twin towers which were
> "destroyed by Muslims" if you ask the majority of Americans. Jwes
> organizations came in support of the Mosque and Jews and Muslims pray ed
> together very regularly, not something you see in India or such less
> democratic country. A guy was about to burn Quran on the 9-11 anniversary.
> But there was so much public pressure from the "those who hate Islam" that
> the guy changed his plan.
>
> People can speak freely in that country. No one dies of hunger. Or for his
> faith. IT does involve in arm twisting and can get very lethal some times.
> But some time it is very magnanimous. There are bullies like you in the US
> and they are allowed to speak freely. The right wing blogosphere stinks of
> bull shit, like your emails do. The right wing does not care for political
> correctness, as you don't. If I am replying to your worthless mail, I
> probably have soft corner for you. Why not then for the US? Sara Palin is
> the big celebrity these days in the US, but I hate her more than I hate you.
> However, I care nothing about you when it comes to US president.
>
>
> I can write volumes praising the democratic values in the US. I do read
> Chomski often and New York Times is my favorite news paper. Huffington Post
> is my favorite website for US related news. John Stewart's The Daily Show is
> my favorite TV show available on Comedy Central. I can write about what's
> wrong with the US, but your question had nothing to do with the bad part.
> Long live US and long live the freedom it offers to millions of victims who
> are victimized in their own countries.
>
> I don't think I am going to read any more of your messages sent on this
> list, much less respond to. My inbox stinks of bull shit as you can't keep
> your droppings away from the email. You like to offend and not engage. I
> have no desire to irrigate your ego by getting offended. Try someone else.
>
>
> Best
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Pheeta Ram <pheeta.ram at gmail.com>
> *To:* TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* sarai list <reader-list at sarai.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 24, 2010 7:46 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Reader-list] Wikileaks and the End of America!
>
> Dear Taraprakash
>
> Your soft corner for the US of A is revealing.
> Now don't give me this bullshit that since some people don't want the US to
> leave Iraq the people should start having second thoughts about their dream
> of throwing the US out of Iraq. A colonizer however benevolent is still a
> colonizer.
>
> During India's struggle for freedom, there were many people who didn't want
> independence and were happy under the British.
> Many of them were those who had prospered under the British rule. Though
> the transfer of political power to the Indians (elites) have made no
> difference yet i take being free from a colonial ruler as a positive thing.
>
> " Many of us do that, reduce issues to black and white, and take one
> side." Now, i firmly believe that this is not the case with many of us. Many
> of us are fence-sitters. They remain non-committal to the end. They want to
> eat their cake and have it too. Many of us have lost their capacity to
> reduce things to black and white. Many of us don't believe in taking one
> side for most of us are not sure on which side we are. So its no virtue in
> deluding yourself by thinking that many of us reduce the issues to black and
> white. The goal must be towards making issues clear (black and white). And
> if your goal should be otherwise you can revel in the greyness of the
> things, in the aesthetics of deferral. But you can't defer things ad
> infinitum. A day comes when you have to take sides, make an ethical choice.
> Either you are for HITLER or AGAINST. Either you are for US or against.
>
> Thank you for quoting Kabir. I am sure Kabir has something profound to say
> here but if i commit the heresy to take it very literally i would say its a
> good thing if no grain remains sabut between two wheels for then we shall
> have flour to feed ourselves. Its metaphoric understanding again brings us
> to many people's favorite hobby-horse: violence-nonviolence dyad. So i
> rather not tread those paths again.
>
> However, i am still at loss as to why you have such love lost for America!
> America!
>
> Best
>
> Pheeta Ram
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