[Reader-list] Statement by Arundhati Roy

TaraPrakash taraprakash at gmail.com
Thu Oct 28 22:29:11 IST 2010 

Samvit it is people like you who dilute the issues. Now onwards all who are 
opposed to SASG agenda will be branded as depraved and misogynist. Whereas 
the ones took pride in throwing acid on the face of women who wouldn't veil 
their face will be fine. You owe an apology to the forum. The acid throwers 
are not part of the forum, I would have asked them to apologize  as well.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Samvit" <samvitr at gmail.com>
To: "Subhash" <subhachops at gmail.com>
Cc: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Statement by Arundhati Roy


> Subhash,
> I said "over the hill" because someone on this forum said that she was
> pretty. It was my freedom of speech. The "right to speak" does not
> belong to Arundhati and her friends only.
> In a similar way you have no right to talk about my "distorted
> education". Please practice what you try to preach. If truth is so
> bitter for you, I suggest you stay away from it.
> I am so surprised that people  here are so worried about Geelani's
> right to speak but are against anyone else who doesn't toe their line.
> And yes, talking about gender in an open discussion is not a crime.
> Perhaps, those who have had a distorted education think that way.
> -Samvit
>
> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Subhash <subhachops at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Samvit, you really need to learn how to respect and equate women -
>> using words like "over the hill" and pretty for anyone tells that you
>> have had a very distorted education. Why do you have to talk about the
>> gender of a person while talking of her politics?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Anuradha,
>>> Couple of points:-
>>> 1. Arundati is over the hill, least to say that she is "pretty". You
>>> are making us believe that in India good looking woman are not
>>> respected. There are thousands of pretty girls who work all kind of
>>> time zones and they make us proud. Woman have proved themselves in all
>>> fields, even outpacing men. So that logic doesn't count.
>>> 2. It is a typical Gobellian technique to say that she is non-violent.
>>> She instigates people to all kind of violence. She hops from city to
>>> city promoting her vision of an Utopian world.
>>>
>>> 2. And yes, you make it sound so simple about the Pandits. If you do
>>> not know the truth please do not make comments about people who have
>>> suffered like no Indian ever did. I just pray to God that you never
>>> have to face what the Pandits have gone thorugh. Imagine a situation
>>> where you have fanatics banging at you door and hunting for women in
>>> your family. You are ready to poison them before they fall prey to the
>>> fanatics. You call the police and you realize that they are siding
>>> with the zealots. The Indian state is impotent because we have khadi
>>> clad intellectuals who think helping the Pandits would be non-secular.
>>> The whole community is uprooted from the Valley while Sonia and Rajiv
>>> Gandhi are playing with snow en route to Kashmir. You do not even know
>>> half the story. So I suggest that you do some more research before you
>>> provide your expertise.
>>>
>>> Kashmir and Kashmiri are very complex, the Indian state is too naive
>>> to handle them.
>>> -Samvit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:35 PM, anuradha mukherjee <anu.mukh at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Inder, I think she makes for a soft target because she is a woman, she 
>>>> is
>>>> pretty, speaks her mind in a non-violent manner (without the help of 
>>>> gun or
>>>> crotch grabbing bodyguards). I may disagree with her approach on may 
>>>> issues,
>>>> may be not in essense but the way she articulates herself, but the 
>>>> woman is
>>>> courageous. It takes courage to defy the majority view like this.
>>>> And she gets attention, so those who berate her also share the 
>>>> limelight.
>>>> But I also disagree with the people who say "nothing happened, Jagmohan
>>>> created a bogey, Pandit left on their own", "Muslims wants them back" 
>>>> etc.
>>>> The last statement may or may not be true, but no community gives up 
>>>> its
>>>> hearths and homes and livelihoods overnight and chooses to live as 
>>>> refugees.
>>>> But the tragedy of Kashmir is that its daily suffering forces it to 
>>>> discount
>>>> the sufferings of its Hindu brothers. If you say Azadi, please do not 
>>>> say
>>>> that Pandits had it easy either (may be those with resources did).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Inder Salim <indersalim at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I guess people in India will read her only after she gets Nobel for
>>>>> literature.
>>>>> which she deserves
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> love
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Rajkamal Goswami
>>>>> <rajkamalgoswami at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Dear Aditya
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am sure yo know about her fictional work 1 novel & 1 screenplay. 
>>>>> > But
>>>>> > I am not sure if you have read her non-fictional work. Well she 
>>>>> > didn't
>>>>> > win booker for them but she won the "Sydney Peace Prize" and the
>>>>> > "Sahitya Akademi award" which she politely refused. Her body of non
>>>>> > fiction work is far greater (both in volume and quality) than her
>>>>> > fictional work. I hope you have read her work. If not please read
>>>>> > atleast the essential Roy viz "The greater common good", the 
>>>>> > "Algebra
>>>>> > of Infinite justice", "Come September", Do Turkeys Enjoy
>>>>> > Thanksgiving", "Peace is War", "Listening To Grasshoppers", "Shall 
>>>>> > We
>>>>> > Leave It to the Experts?" and my favorite “The Ladies have feelings
>>>>> > so…” You should definitely read the last one because it answers your
>>>>> > query about the very questions that you have raised.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regarding a fiction writer being political, well all writers are
>>>>> > political. That some chose to remain silent is also a political
>>>>> > activity. That Ms. Roy choses to write her politics and throw it 
>>>>> > open
>>>>> > to ideas and criticism is the best thing I really like about her.
>>>>> > Besides she is also indulged in field activism, giving her voice to
>>>>> > the voiceless and rooting for real democracy.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks
>>>>> > r
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 10/27/10, Aditya Raj Kaul <kauladityaraj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> Are you the moderator? Just curious again. You indeed have a big 
>>>>> >> hand.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Tapas Ray [Gmail]
>>>>> >> <tapasrayx at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> ps: I mean, to Aditya.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On 27 October 2010 14:30, Tapas Ray [Gmail] <tapasrayx at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> > Really intelligent comment. Let's give him a big hand!
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > On 27 October 2010 14:23, Aditya Raj Kaul 
>>>>> >>> > <kauladityaraj at gmail.com>
>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> >> Isn't she a Fiction writer? Or is she really a writer? Just 
>>>>> >>> >> curious.
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Rajkamal Goswami <
>>>>> >>> rajkamalgoswami at gmail.com
>>>>> >>> >>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >>> I am just in awe of this woman.
>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >>> On 10/27/10, Tapas Ray [Gmail] <tapasrayx at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>> >>> > Pheeta,
>>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> > No problem, and no need to apologise!
>>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> > Best,
>>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> > Tapas
>>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> > On 27 October 2010 09:07, Pheeta Ram <pheeta.ram at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> >>> >> Dear Tapas
>>>>> >>> >>> >> Actually the statement was sent to me by somebody. I forgot 
>>>>> >>> >>> >> to
>>>>> >>> >>> >> check
>>>>> >>> if
>>>>> >>> >>> it
>>>>> >>> >>> >> had already been published online; that's why there was no 
>>>>> >>> >>> >> link.
>>>>> >>> Thanks
>>>>> >>> >>> >> for
>>>>> >>> >>> >> reminding me the etiquettes of responsible online 
>>>>> >>> >>> >> publishing.
>>>>> >>> >>> >> I shall take care next time.
>>>>> >>> >>> >> Pheeta Ram
>>>>> >>> >>> >>
>>>>> >>> >>> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Tapas Ray [Gmail] <
>>>>> >>> tapasrayx at gmail.com
>>>>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Pheeta,
>>>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for this. I think it would be good if we gave the 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> links
>>>>> >>> along
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> with any material from online sources that we might be 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> posting.
>>>>> >>> This
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> one's is
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> <
>>>>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/arundhati-roys-statement-on-possible-sedition-case-62566
>>>>> >>> >>> >.
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> As for offline sources (e.g., printed books, etc.), a 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> mention
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> source, as complete as possible, would be very helpful.
>>>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks again.
>>>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> Tapas
>>>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> On 27 October 2010 02:10, Pheeta Ram 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> <pheeta.ram at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > STATEMENT BY ARUNDHATI ROY
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > I write this from Srinagar, Kashmir. This morning’s 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > papers
>>>>> say
>>>>> >>> that I
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > may be arrested on charges of sedition for what I have 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > said
>>>>> at
>>>>> >>> recent
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > public meetings on Kashmir. I said what millions of 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > people
>>>>> here
>>>>> >>> say
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > every day. I said what I, as well as other commentators 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > have
>>>>> >>> written
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > and said for years. Anybody who cares to read the 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > transcripts
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>> my
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > speeches will see that they were fundamentally a call 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > for
>>>>> >>> justice. I
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > spoke about justice for the people of Kashmir who live 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > under
>>>>> one
>>>>> >>> of
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > the most brutal military occupations in the world; for
>>>>> Kashmiri
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > Pandits who live out the tragedy of having been driven 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > out of
>>>>> >>> their
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > homeland; for Dalit soldiers killed in Kashmir whose 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > graves I
>>>>> >>> visited
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > on garbage heaps in their villages in Cuddalore; for the
>>>>> Indian
>>>>> >>> poor
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > who pay the price of this occupation in material ways 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > and who
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > are
>>>>> >>> now
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > learning to live in the terror of what is becoming a 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > police
>>>>> >>> state.
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > Yesterday I traveled to Shopian, the apple-town in South
>>>>> Kashmir
>>>>> >>> >>> which
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > had remained closed for 47 days last year in protest 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > against
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > brutal rape and murder of Asiya and Nilofer, the young 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > women
>>>>> >>> whose
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > bodies were found in a shallow stream near their homes 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > and
>>>>> whose
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > murderers have still not been brought to justice. I met
>>>>> Shakeel,
>>>>> >>> who
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > is Nilofer’s husband and Asiya’s brother. We sat in a 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > circle
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > people crazed with grief and anger who had lost hope 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > that
>>>>> they
>>>>> >>> would
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > ever get ‘insaf’—justice—from India, and now believed 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > that
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > Azadi—freedom— was their only hope. I met young stone 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > pelters
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > who
>>>>> >>> had
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > been shot through their eyes. I traveled with a young 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > man who
>>>>> >>> told me
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > how three of his friends, teenagers in Anantnag 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > district, had
>>>>> >>> been
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > taken into custody and had their finger-nails pulled out 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > as
>>>>> >>> >>> punishment
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > for throwing stones.
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > In the papers some have accused me of giving 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > ‘hate-speeches’,
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > wanting India to break up. On the contrary, what I say 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > comes
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > from
>>>>> >>> >>> love
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > and pride. It comes from not wanting people to be 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > killed,
>>>>> raped,
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > imprisoned or have their finger-nails pulled out in 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > order to
>>>>> >>> force
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > them to say they are Indians. It comes from wanting to 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > live
>>>>> in a
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > society that is striving to be a just one. Pity the 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > nation
>>>>> that
>>>>> >>> has
>>>>> >>> >>> to
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > silence its writers for speaking their minds. Pity the 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > nation
>>>>> >>> that
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > needs to jail those who ask for justice, while communal
>>>>> killers,
>>>>> >>> mass
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > murderers, corporate scamsters, looters, rapists, and 
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > those
>>>>> who
>>>>> >>> prey
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > on the poorest of the poor, roam free.
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > Arundhati Roy
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >>> >>> > October 26 2010
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