[Reader-list] WHO IS AFRAID OF ARUNDHATI ROY?

Sun Oct 31 20:32:20 IST 2010

Let us all understand that it is not the lawyers who decide the outcome of
cases, it is the judges. There are groups of lawyers everywhere who refuse
to even fight or allow others to fight or appear in cases of regarding
people or organisations of particular religious community. Perhaps long
silence about issues like that have finally resulted in courts adjudicating
on cases of far reaching implications on faith and for satisfying the
'collective national conscience'. And, rights abusers get immunity/impunity
through laws like AFSPA etc

And, I still haven't been enlightened vis a vis what 'Kashmiri judiciary'
means. BTW, Samvit was asked the same question and what is now being rightly
called the Indian Judiciary was referred to as Kashmiri judiciary...

On 31 October 2010 19:00, SJabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Tara,
> Actually the reason I had asked Parvaiz Bukhari to clarify his rather
> breezy
> questioning of Samvit on the failure of the Indian judiciary in J&K is
> because he knows as well as I do that the Kashmiri judiciary is as culpable
> in granting impunity to rights abusers as their counterparts in the plains.
> Of course, it is easier to heap scorn on me than admit that or admit in
> this
> forum that a statutory body of the Kashmir Bar Association is also a
> constituent of the All Parties Hurriyat Conference and therefore quite
> likely to be biased in favour of the separatist groups.
> Sincerely,
> sj
>
>
>
> On 30/10/10 10:22 PM, "TaraPrakash" <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How many do you have to offer? How about using some to scratch the part
> of
> >
> your body that starts itching when you hear Sonia's saner questions, you
> >
> villain of "Father Son and Holy War?" If we go in to the nuances of your
> >
> unsolicited offers it is worse suggestion than anyone made on Ms. Roy. And
> >
> yet Gods haven't said a word.
>
> Isn't it true now that you get admonished only
> > if you are espousing a
> different view, if you are throwing up the same stuff
> > as entrenched you can
> get away with murder on this list?
>
> Please Sonia don't
> > give up because of these rude nationalists and
> masculinist delinquents. We
> > need a true perspective, not polluted by those
> who make money for speaking in
> > favor of one of the 2 sides.
>
> You just asked a question and these men's
> > backsides went on fire. Amazing.
>
> Sorry, but I can't stand those who can't
> > stand the critique.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aditya Raj Baul"
> > <adityarajbaul at gmail.com>
> To: "reader-list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
> Sent:
> > Saturday, October 30, 2010 1:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] WHO IS AFRAID OF
> > ARUNDHATI ROY?
>
>
> > awwww poor girl you never understand questions. would you
> > like another
> > candy?
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:41 AM, SJabbar
> > <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear Parvaiz,
> >> I don't understand your
> > big question. Do you not make a distinction
> >> between
> >> the Kashmiri
> > judiciary and the Indian judiciary, and between the IPC and
> >> the
> >> RPC?
> > Please clarify.
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Sonia
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 30/10/10 9:32 AM,
> > "Parvaiz Bukhari" <parvaizbukhari at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Samvit this is a
> > big question you must ask ypourself....why has the
> >>> indian
> >> judiciary
> > failed to "perform" in Kashmir unlike
> >> elsewhere in the
> >>> examples u give?
> > Or, you are saying the judiciary is also
> >> run by the
> >>> separatists?
> >>
> >>
> > On 30 October 2010 09:19, Samvit <samvitr at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> > Parvaiz,
> >>> The fact of the matter is that Indian media does not parrot
> > the
> >>> language of
> >>> the fanatics (either hindu or muslim) unlike the
> > "Greater
> >>> Kashmirs" of the
> >>> Valley where the word Pandit is an anathema.
> > Try and pick
> >>> up any magazine or
> >>> newspaper from the Valley and all they
> > do it glorify
> >>>
> >>> separatism/terrorism/extremism. It seems they have
> > become the new towers
> >>> of
> >>>
> >>> capitalistic Kashmir where money is the
> > opium of the "classes". Selling
> >>> a
> >>>
> >>> newspaper is as good as selling
> > a toothbrush.
> >>> Indian judiciary, over the
> >>> years has done a good (if not
> > excellent) job and
> >>> convicted people in all
> >>> kinds of crimes. An example
> > being the case against
> >>> the former Gujarat Home
> >>> Minister Amit Shah. In
> > Kashmir not a single case
> >>> against the Pandits has
> >>> seen the light of
> > the day. Bitta Karata is out in
> >>> the open. Perhaps you
> >>> should have
> > written a piece about him. So ironical you
> >>> talk about
> >>>
> > "surviving".
> >>>
> >>> Here, the opressor is trying to prove that he is the
> >>>
> > oppressed.
> >>>
> >>> People may write an epic of Gilgamish in Arundhati's honor
> > but
> >>> then it will
> >>> be as slanderous as the courteisns who used to call
> > Aurangzeb-
> >>> "Oh, king of
> >>> kings, oh pinnacle of the mercy........."
> >>>
> > -Samvit
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On
> >>> Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Parvaiz Bukhari
> > <parvaizbukhari at gmail.com
> >>> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Anxiously waiting for the
> > fear to spread more so that more may
> >>> survive
> >>>> Indian politicians,
> > media and the court historians of the
> >>> day...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 30 October 2010
> > 05:46, Pheeta Ram <pheeta.ram at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Some people on
> > this list are afraid of 'Arundhati Roy - the
> >>> joke' ( BTW,
> >>>> a
> >>>> >
> > joke is not a joke) because they are afraid of laughing
> >>> for obvious
> >>>> >
> > reasons:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > a) they are afraid because some other
> >>> people simply
> > love her and are not
> >>>> > afraid to confess that
> >>>> > b) they
> >>> are
> > afraid because she used to visit some upper-class gym in
> >>>> skimpy
> >>>>
> > >
> >>> clothing
> >>>> > c) they are afraid because she married twice and is
> > finally
> >>> officially
> >>>> > single
> >>>> > d) they are afraid because she
> > supports maoists
> >>> and for them maoist is a
> >>>> > term of abuse
> >>>> > e)
> > they are afraid because
> >>> she supports the Aazadi of Kashmiri people
> >>>>
> > from
> >>>> > the repressive Indian
> >>> state
> >>>> > f) they are afraid because
> > she writes bewitchingly beautiful prose
> >>> for
> >>>> > subversive,
> > anti-national purposes
> >>>> > g) they are afraid because
> >>> they think she is
> > publicity hungry
> >>>> > h) they are afraid because she is some
> >>> day
> > certainly going to win the
> >>>> Nobel
> >>>> > Prize
> >>>> > i) they are
> > afraid
> >>> because she is simply beautiful in those curly hair
> >>>> and
> >>>> >
> > that mellow
> >>> childlike voice; and those mesmerizingly wondrous eyes
> > which
> >>>> > are
> >>>> > not
> >>> afraid to sing for you the serenades of
> > freedom
> >>>> > j) they are afraid
> >>> because they cannot NOTREAD what she
> > writes in a 32
> >>>> page
> >>>> > long essay
> >>> after walking with the comrades
> > in the jungles of Dantewada
> >>>> > k) they are
> >>> afraid because the Indian
> > state is now terribly scared of
> >>>> > putting her in
> >>> jail for that shall
> > certainly fetch her the Nobel Prize
> >>>> and
> >>>> > win
> >>> Kashmir the
> > Aazadi
> >>>> > l) they are afraid because she shared dais with SASG
> >>> and
> > made him
> >>>> realize
> >>>> > that Kashmiris are not alone in their
> > struggle
> >>> and also that Kashmiris
> >>>> also
> >>>> > need to know that there
> > is a wider world
> >>> surrounding them that is also
> >>>> > struggling and that
> > they need to
> >>> acknowledge it and support it; and that
> >>>> > the
> >>>> >
> > Kashmiris have the
> >>> histories of India and Pakistan ( both collective
> > and
> >>>> > separate) before
> >>> them to take strict lessons from, to fashion
> > a
> >>>> > nation-state
> >>>> > that
> >>> does justice to the sacrifices of the
> > people who have fought, are
> >>>> >
> >>> fighting and shall continue fighting
> > for Kashmir; and that all struggles
> >>>> >
> >>> against the tyrant are
> > essentially connected
> >>>> > m)they are afraid because
> >>> she hops from one
> > issue to another ( Narmada
> >>>> > >>Maoists>>Kashmir>>which
> >>> next?)
> >>>> >
> > n) they are afraid because she goes against their normative
> >>>
> > definitions
> >>>> of
> >>>> > beauty and gender
> >>>> > o) they are afraid because
> > 'even
> >>> a rickshawala' is praising her saying
> >>>> that
> >>>> > she is a
> > 'pseudo
> >>> intellectual' (?) (Isn't it a pity that a rickshawala
> >>>> of
> >>>>
> > > such a
> >>> potential is not on the sarai list?).
> >>>> > p) they are afraid
> > because the
> >>> Indian media -the stooges of Indian state
> >>>> -
> >>>> > don't
> > know what to do with
> >>> her (even supremely articulate ones from the
> >>>> >
> > media (like Karan Thapar)
> >>> make an ass of themselves while
> > interviewing
> >>>> her)
> >>>> > q) they are afraid
> >>> because she spits on
> > their faces and is not wee bit
> >>>> > apologetic about it
> >>> because she
> > knows that they deserve it and that its
> >>>> her
> >>>> > duty to do
> >>>
> > that
> >>>> > r) they are afraid because she is fast becoming a role model
> > for
> >>> the
> >>>> > beautiful, well-connected upper-class convent educated
> > women who
> >>> are
> >>>> > devouring her from cover to cover secretively like
> > mills-and-boons
> >>> even
> >>>> in
> >>>> > their bathrooms ( so that their
> > businessmen fathers and social
> >>> butterfly
> >>>> > mothers don't catch them
> > reading her) and dreaming about being
> >>> her in
> >>>> their
> >>>> > fantasy
> > worlds (one of them confessed to me) ( in this
> >>> manner the
> >>>> >
> > phenomenon
> >>>> > called Arundhati becomes a past-master in
> >>> reverse
> > engineering)
> >>>> > s) they are afraid because she has made them realize
> >>>
> > that capitalism is
> >>>> > like
> >>>> > a deadly virus that shall one day surely
> > eat
> >>> itself away
> >>>> > t) they are afraid because she thinks with a
> > beautiful heart
> >>> (hence a
> >>>> > 'pseudo-intellectual')
> >>>> > u) they are
> > afraid because she
> >>> converts "aesthetics of deferral" ( one
> >>>> > scourge
> > that afflicts most of the
> >>> 'intellectuals' of todays world) into
> >>>>
> > a
> >>>> > beautiful "aestheto-ethics of
> >>> arrival", no mean feat i should
> > say
> >>>> > v) they are afraid because they
> >>> unconsciously compete with her
> > and
> >>>> finding
> >>>> > her a sure winner are
> >>> afraid to take the
> > challenge
> >>>> > w) they are afraid because she challenges
> >>> the very
> > rationale of their
> >>>> being
> >>>> > and becoming
> >>>> > x) they are
> > afraid
> >>> because she happens to be a woman (like them)
> >>>> > y) they are
> > afraid because
> >>> the Indian state has done a beautiful job in
> >>>> >
> > bringing them up on a steady
> >>> diet of 'nationalist' propaganda through
> >>>>
> > first
> >>>> > beginning with NCERT
> >>> textbooks in brainwashing saloons called
> > 'Schools'
> >>>> (
> >>>> > the reason behind
> >>> the popularity of Bollywood and
> > Cricket)
> >>>> > z) they are afraid because
> >>> despite their manifest hate for
> > her they have
> >>>> > serious doubts that some
> >>> where down there they love
> > her too.
> >>>> > ...
> >>>> >
> >>>> > BTW, who is afraid of
> >>> what comes after
> > Z? Jump the gun please.
> >>>> >
> >>>
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> >>> --
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> > Samvit
> >>> Rawal
> >>> 9422037853
> >>>
> >>>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
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> >>> to forgive, infrequent.
> >>> - Franklin P.
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