[Reader-list] Fw: Re: Why Kashmir defies solutions

SJabbar sonia.jabbar at gmail.com
Wed Sep 8 16:56:35 IST 2010 

You seem to be the one offering all kinds of explanations for what I
consider normal activity.  It only appears abnormal to me in the context of
the current phase of the azadi movement that specifically targets the J&K
Police and not the Indian Army.


On 08/09/10 4:51 PM, "Inder Salim" <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:

> in any case
the poeple in kashmir are free to seek govt jobs
irrespective of
> politics that is plaguing the valley since 1947

or? you  still see it
> differntly?

love
is

On 9/8/10, SJabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not
> sure about the accuracy of your claim of Nehru 'hounding' the leftists
> in
> Kashmir. It was the Left faction in the NC that turned against Sheikh
>
> Abdullah in 1952 when they thought he was hobnobbing with the Americans. You
>
> can read both Josef Korbel's account as well as N.N Raina on what the
>
> Communists thought of Sh. Abdullah. And I really fail to see the connection.
>
> I'd blame Nehru less and our present culture of globalization and glitz and
>
> slick ads on TV more for the decline of interest in crafts and agriculture
>
> and the false glamour attached to white collar jobs.
>
>
> On 08/09/10 4:16
> PM, "Inder Salim" <indersalim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Sonia
> i was
> casually surfing about agriculture, and found this
> > interesting
> piece on
> Kurdistan and its agriculture past, it will be quite
> > slippery
> to compare
> it with kashmir, but what i see is that there are
> > some
> historical
> reasons for decline in particular activity, if rampant.
>
>
> > People are not
> happy with rural life, because of number of reasons.
> The crafts
> > people
> are not adequately paid for their skills and they
> naturally shun
> >
> traditional job, and look down disgracefully upon their
> own systems which
>
> > sutain...
>
> but the jobs are  jobs, so a sex workers job is a job as
> much
> > a
> carpenters job is a job.... here certainly people would go for
> the
> easier
> > paths, and which are seen as dignified...and that is what
> must
> have happened
> > in Kurdistan, where they are just little
> traditional
> farming left...
>
> the
> > young boys seeking jobs ( police etc
> )in Kashmir are because we
> traditionally
> > have never respected the
> worker, but a govt servant,
> who manages to find a
> > healthy wealthy and
> beautiful bride easily in
> comparision to non govt
> > servant.
>
> There is
> a some histroy: Both Nehru and his dummy politicans
> > in
> Kashmir hounded
> Leftists like mad dogs. Kashmir was a hub of left
> poltics
> > during 40 to
> 60s. but the entire thing was killed by congress
> policy of india
> > and
> kashmir. (G.M Sadiq first centre installed CM was
> a leftists ). even if we
>
> > forget about the histroy how centre humilated
> Sheikh abdullah time and
> >
> again...
>
> The argument may sound out of palce, at the moment, because it
>
> > does
> not actually speak about the current situation, but had the Indian
>
> govt
> > been far sighted, a skilled crafts man, a farmer would not have
>
> looked  down
> > upon their traditons in a sucha a disrespectful manner,
> but
> that is
> > unlikely.
>
> Needless to say, that it was only J&K and West
> Bengal who
> > experienced
> some land reforms... rest of india was mute
> spectator to
> > brilliant
> changes that were happening under the broad day
> light.... Shame
> > to
> Nehruvian politics of so called socialism, which
> actually was meant
> > to
> gloss the large scale nepotism and lust for power.
> That thing
> > still
> continues, The same Congress and NC are back in power,
> who joined
> hands
> > in histroy at different stages to subvert the actual
> nature of
> kashmir
> > issue.
>
> the discussion can go on
>  will come
> back
>
> hugs
> love
> is
>
> the link
> > below
>
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/mar1999/pkk-m12.shtml
>
> Another
> >
> sociological study states:
>
> "The share of agriculture in gross domestic
> >
> product sank [from 1962 to
> 1978] from 40 percent to 22.2 percent, even
> though
> > the number of those
> employed on the land has only dropped
> slightly (from 9.7
> > to 9.0
> million). A result of this development was
> sinking incomes for
> > those
> working in agriculture and a subsequent
> migration from the
> countryside.
> > Around the cities, gecekondus (shanty
> towns) sprang up."
> [4]
>
> None of this
> > amounts to the formation of a
> Kurdish bourgeoisie as the
> backbone of an
> > independent nation-state, but
> rather signals the
> integration of the Kurdish
> > people into the Turkish
> and international
> working class. The amalgamation of
> > Turkish and Kurdish
> workers by
> means of a common socialist programme lay
> > within reach. The
>
> perspective of a workers government would undoubtedly have
> > opened up
>
> favourable prospects for the structural development of the
> > backward
>
> mountain regions in the struggle against the oppression of the
> > Kurdish
>
> minority.
>
> On the other hand, the project of forming an independent
> >
> nation-state
> was a backwards-looking reaction to this historic development.
> In
> > the
> beginning it won little support, as there was no realistic
> social
> basis
> > for it--apart from a few unemployed Kurdish academics who
> might
> have hoped to
> > find careers and posts in such a state
> apparatus.
>
> The PKK turned its back on
> > the urban working class.
> Following its
> foundation in 1979-80, it organised a
> > few battles and
> skirmishes with
> the big landowners, which were followed by the
> > peasants
> with a certain
> sympathy from time to time. Support for the PKK
> > remained
> limited as
> they renounced a radical programme to liberate the
> > peasants,
> so as not
> to scare off the "patriotic elements" among the big
> >
> landowners. Their
> bloody conflicts with individual Agas (tribal chiefs),
> rival
> > Kurdish
> organisations and the fascist MHP, more often lead to fear
> and
> > terror
> among ordinary people.
>
> Meanwhile, the social democratic
> government of
> > Bulent Ecevit was
> deliberately raking up national
> chauvinism and religious
> > differences
> in order to gain control of the
> militant workers movement. The
> > 1974
> Turkish invasion of Cyprus occurred
> during Ecevit's period in office.
> He
> > entered a coalition with the
> Islamic Salvation Party (forerunner of
> the
> > present Welfare Party) and
> introduced the state recognition of
> Islamic
> > schools. Once he had
> engineered clashes in this way, in 1978
> Ecevit
> > implemented military rule
> in the Kurdish provinces. At this
> time, there were
> > around a million
> workers and students who were
> members of organisations
> > claiming to be
> socialist.
>
>
>
> On 9/8/10, SJabbar <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> Not at all.  Please see my reply to Inder Salim.
> >
> >
> > On 08/09/10
> >
> 1:24 PM, "Jeebesh" <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
> >
> > > dear Sonia,
> >
> > To
> ask
> > questions and to judge are very different. No?
> >
> > I was just
> >
> > curious if
> > the quizzical ways in which you had mailed the
> > posting
> about
> > > lines of
> > young men joining the police could be stretched
> >
> to other moments in
> > > near
> > times. Somehow from your response it seems
> it
> > cannot be. You somehow
> > >
> > accept one as given and the other as
> strange.
> > Still not sure how you make
> >
> > > that distinction.
> >
> >
> warmly
> > jeebesh
> >
> > On 07-Sep-10, at 7:32 PM, SJabbar
> > wrote:
> >
>
> > >
> > > Why does questioning a phenomena be interpreted as mocking or
> >
> being
> > >
> > > judgmental? You say, 'The maxim of the actors are always
> far
> > more
> > >>
> > > complicated and illegible
> > > than the judgement
> of the
> > spectator.
> > > '
> > >
> > > So
> > > the spectator must suspend
> judgment, must not
> > question?  Then why
> > > do you
> > >
> > > question
> when the state acts within its
> > 'iron frame' inherited from
> > > the
> > >
> ICS?
> > > Mysterious motives must also
> > drive the one who drives you mad
> by
> > >
> > > telling you
> > > he can't find your
> > file or that you must
> pay a bribe to get a
> > > copy
> > > of the
> > > challan
> > which you
> thought due to you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 07/09/10
> > > 7:21 PM,
>
> > "Jeebesh" <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The so called iron frame
> of
> > >
> > indian bureaucracy is produced by ICS
> > > officers.
> > >> It
> was more than
> > getting
> > > on with life :)
> > >
> > > On Kashmir i
> understand very little
> > >>
> > to be able to
> > > comment. But some
> > >
> comments seem to mock the people who
> > are
> > >> trying to
> > >
> articulate
> > > something substantial. A little caution
> > about
> > >>
> interpreting
> > > quickly.
> > > The maxim of the actors are always
> > far
> more
> > >> complicated and
> > > illegible
> > > than the judgement of the
>
> > spectator.
> > >
> > > On
> > >> 07-Sep-10, at 6:32
> > > PM, SJabbar
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > Did they?  Or did they do what most
> > >> people do,
> make
> > > their peace
> > with
> > >> the new
> > >> dispensation and get on
> with
> > >> life.
> > >>
> > >> The
> >
> > > point is to understand how it is
> that a phenomena like 60,000
> > >>
> > >>
> > young
> > > men
> > >> applying
> for 3,000 jobs can happen in the midst of what
> > people
> > >>
> > > are
> >
> >> describing as a revolution. Can it be that they don't
> > see the J&K
> >
> >>
> > >>
> > > Police as
> > >> an abhorrent force?  Can it be that
> > they
> are the relatives of
> > > men
> > >>
> > >> who are
> > >> already in the
> JKP?
> > Can it be that they don't subscribe
> > > to
> > >> azadi?
> > >> And
> how
> > >> do
> > the families of tens of thousands of men who are
> > > in
>
> > >> the JKP and
> > >>
> > JAKLI see
> > >> their kin?
> > >>
> > >> Another
> puzzling matter:
> > > we speak
> > >>
> > of the AFSPA and its revocation
> >
> >> but the
> > >> JKP is not protected
> > > by
> > the Act.
> > >> And one
> more thing: the army, that
> > >> has
> > >> been
> > responsible
> > > for
> the worst
> > >> human rights abuses in the last 2
> > >>
> > decades is
> >
> >> not
> > > targeted by the
> > >> stone-pelters.  They continue
> > their
> work of
> > >>
> > > patrolling
> > >> and cordon &
> > >> search operations
> as
> > if they live on another
> > > planet.
> > >> The target
> > >> is
> >
> >> always the
> > JKP.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 07/09/10 6:06 PM,
> > >
> "Jeebesh" <jeebesh at sarai.net>
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> agreed. but how
> come they all
> > > became unquestionable
> > nationalists
> > >>
> > >>>
> after
> > >>>
> > >> 1947?
> > >>
> > >> On
> > > 07-Sep-10, at
> > 5:41 PM,
> SJabbar wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> You're
> > >> right Jeebesh, and
> > >>>
> > >
>
> > most people who were recruited were
> > >>> absolutely
> > >>>
> > >> loyal
> to the
> >
> > > British
> > >>> Empire and deeply suspicious of the
> Congress.
> > >>> And
> > >>
> > why
> > >>>
> > > just speak of the
> > >>>
> 20th c. ? In 1857 the country was
> > deeply
> > >> divided
> > >>>
> > > and
> very
> > >>> few at the
> > >>> time articulated
> > it as a 'war for
> > >>
>
> > > independence.'  It
> > >>> would be
> > >>> foolish to
> >
> > >>> say
> that those who served
> > > the
> > >> British Empire were closet
> > >>>
> >
> nationalists forced
> > >>> into furthering
> > > their
> > >> careers by
> joining
> > the
> > >>> army or
> > >>> ICS.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On
> >
> >>>
> > > 07/09/10 5:22
> > PM,
> > >> "Jeebesh" <jeebesh at sarai.net> wrote:
>
> > >>>
> > >>>> recruitment
> > >
> > in
> > >>> indian
> > >> subcontinent
> during the ww1 and ww2 for jobs in
> > >>>
> > the
> > >>>>
> > > british
> army
> > >>> was
> > >> very high. what did this say about
> > the
> aspiration
> > >>>
> > > and lives
> > >>>> being
> > >> led
> > >>> at that
> time in
> > the sub continent. do we
> > > even
> > >>> count that number
> >
> >>>>
> > >> today
> > in
> > >>> discussing 20s, 30s, 40s, in
> > > the sub
>
> > >>> continent?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > On
> > >> 07-Sep-10, at
> > >>>> 2:10
> >
> >>> PM, SJabbar
> > > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > But Gowhar, what happens
> >
> >> when a man who hitherto
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > > abhors
> > an
> > >>>>
> institution joins
> > >>>> it? What
> > >> happens to that extreme
> > >
> >
> emotion
> > >>>>
> > >>> when the line is crossed,
> > >>>> when
> > >> the
>
> > >>>>
> > uniform is
> > > donned, when the
> > >>> 'danda'
> > >>>> drops
> firmly into his
> >
> > >> hands?
> > >>>> By your
> > > logic all those who
> joined
> > >>> the force
> > >>>>
> > post-1990 once
> > >> abhorred
> >
> >>>>
> > > the
> > >>>> institution and now have
> > become
> > >>> the
> >
> >>>> oppressors.
> > >> And those
> > > who pelt
> > >>>>
> > stones
> > >>>>
> at the oppressors now want
> > >>> to
> > >>>> join
> > >> the
> > >
> > same
> hated institution only
> > >>>> to become
> > >>>> future oppressors?
> >
> >>>
> >
> > >>
> > > Not
> > >>>> one, not two but 60,000 young men?  You
> may
> > >>>>
> > understand this,
> > > but
> > >> I
> > >>> have to
> > >>>>
> tell you, it's left me
> > totally
> > >>>>
> > > perplexed.
> > >>>>
> >
> >>>>
> > >>>> On
> > >> 07/09/10
> > >>> 1:58
> > PM,
> > >>>> "gowhar
> fazli"
> > > <gowharfazili at yahoo.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>>
> >
> > >>>>>> I
> don't
> > >>> like the
> > > heading
> > >>>> "Why Kashmir
> > >>>>> defies
>
> >
> > >> solutions".
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> It is
> > > in
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> these moments that
> > the
> > >>>> real
> > >> desperation and loss
> >
> >>>>>
> > > of self of Kashmiris
> >
> > >>> as a
> > >>>>>> people
> > >>
> becomes
> > >>>> evident. For
> > >>>>>
> > >
> > livelihood they have to
> stoop
> > >>> before the
> > >> same
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >
> >
> institutions
> > >>>>> that torment them or that they abhor
> > >>> for
> >
> >>
> > >
> > obvious
> > >>>> reasons.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> This contradiction
> that runs
> > through
> > > their
> > >>>
> > >> very selves,
> > >>>>>
> >
> >>>> prevents people
> >
> > >>>>>> from acquiring a
> > > full blown
> >
> >>>
> > >> human-hood.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > There should
> > >>>> be no
> guilt
> > > or
> > >>>>>> indignity
> > >> associated
> >
> > >>> with
> >
> >>>>> acquiring of livelihood
> > >>>>
> > > through legitimate
> > >>
> >
> means,
> > >>>>>> but
> > >>> this
> > >>>>> is the case one way or
> > > the
> other,
> >
> > >>>> for most
> > >> people in
> > >>>>>
> > >>> Kashmir.
> >
> >>>>>> The boundaries
> >
> > > between legitimate and
> > >>>>
> > >>
> illegitimate
> > >>>>> are
> > >>>
> > dizzyingly
> > > fuzzy
> > >>>>>>
> because of the manner in which
> > >> the
> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> selves are
>
> > >>>
> > > split.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If not for any
> >
> > >>>>>> other but
> for
> > >> the indignities
> > >>>>
> > > involved
> > >>> in
> > >>>>>
> >
> the status quo that Kashmir
> > >> issue
> > >>>>>> should be
> > > resolved
> for
> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> good.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --- On Tue,
> >
> >> 9/7/10,
> > >
> > SJabbar
> > >>>>>> <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>
> >
> >>>>
> > >>> wrote:
> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > > From: SJabbar
> >
> >>>>>> <sonia.jabbar at gmail.com>
> >
> > >>>>>> Subject:
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> >
> >>
> > > [Reader-list] Why Kashmir defies
> >
> > >>>>>> solutions
> > >>>>>>
> To:
> > > "Sarai"
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > <reader-list at sarai.net>
> >
> >>>>>> Date: Tuesday,
> > >>>>>>
> > > September 7,
> > 2010, 10:19
> > >>>
>
> > >> AM
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> Printed from
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >
> > Khaki
> enemy? 60,000
> > >>>>>> Kashmiris
> > >> apply for
> > >>> 3,000
> > >>>>
> >
> police
> > >>>>>
> > > jobs
> > >>>>>> M Saleem Pandit, TNN, Sep
> > >> 7,
> >
> >>>>>>
> > 2010, 01.30am
> > >>>
> > > IST
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> SRINAGAR:
> Despite reports of
> > >>
> > desertions in its
> > > ranks
> > >>>>>
> >
> >>>>>>
> > >>> and
> > >>>>>> threats of
> >
> > >>>> social
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> boycott,
> > > J&K police has emerged as a big
> > >>>
> > draw
> > >>>>>>
> for
> > >>>>>
> > >> young
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > > job hunters in
> >
> >
> >>>>>> employment-starved
> > >>> Kashmir. Ignoring
> > >> calls
> > >>>>>>
>
> > > by
> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> hardliners to
> > >>>>>> shun the khaki
> >
> >>>>>>
> > >>> force,
> > >>
> > nearly
> > > 60,000 men applied
> > >>>>>>
> for
> > >>>> less than 3,000
> > >>>>>
> > jobs
> > >>>>>> in
> > >>>
> > >>
>
> > > J&K police --
> > >>>>>> about 200 applicants
> > for
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> one
> > > constable's
> > >>>
> > >> post.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The
> >
> applications piled up over the last
> > > few
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> >
> >>
> > months,
> > >>>>> about
> > >>>>>> the time when the
> > >>>>>>
> > >
> situation in the
> > Valley
> > >>>
> > >> appeared
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>> be
> spinning out
> > >>>>>
> > > of
> >
> > >>>>>> control with the
> > >> cops
>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>> particularly being
> > >>>>
> > at
> > > the
> > >>>>>>
> receiving end of public
> > >>>>>
> > >> wrath.
> > >>>>>>
> >
> > >>>>>>
> >
> >>> J&K
> > > police DG Kuldeep
> > >>>> Khoda said
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>
> >
> department
> > >>>>> has
> > >>>>>>
> > > received
> > >>> 58,975
> > >>>>>>
>
> > applications,
> > >>>> against
> > >> 2,786
> > >>>>>>
> > > vacancies
> across the
> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>> Valley.
> > >>>>>> "The response
> > >>
> > >
> from
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> (the
> > worst-hit)
> > >>>>>> Srinagar and
> > >>>
> Budgam districts
> > > was
> > >> even
> >
> > >>>>> more
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> heartening," he
> > >>>>>> said.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > "We've
> received
> > >> 2,860 applications, against
> > >>>> 529
> > >>>>> posts
> >
>
> > >>>>>>
> > > in
> > >>>
> > >> Srinagar
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> district,
> while 8053
> > against 283 in
> > >>>>
> > > Budgam," he
> > >>>
> > >>
> said.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Lack
> > of jobs
> > >>>>>> has been a big spur
>
> > > for the
> > >>>>
> > >> protests
> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>> that
> > >>>>>>
> brought thousands
> > > of
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> young
> > educated
> > >> men
> on to the
> > >>>>
> > >>> streets.
> > > Official
> > >>>>>
> > estimates
> of
> > >>>>>> the
> > >> number
> > >>>>>> of
> > >>>>>> unemployed
> > > in
>
> >
> > >>> the
> > >>>> Valley stands at 3
> > >> lakhs.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> Khoda told
> >
> > >>>>>>
> > > reporters the
> > >>> department held
> >
> >>>>
> > >> a
> > >>>>>
> > recruitment
> > >>>>>> rally in
> > > Baramulla
>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>> district
> > in July
> > >> and was
> > >>>>
> overwhelmed with
> > > the
> > >>>>> response.
> >
> > >>>>>> "Over
> > >>>
> 8,000
> > >>>>>>
> > >> people
> > >>>>>> turned up
> > > for
> >
> > >>>> 412
> posts despite turmoil in the
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >> district,"
> > >>>>>>
>
> >
> > > he
> > >>>>>> said, and added
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> that even
> stone-pelters
> > >>>
> >
> > >> attended
> > > the rally. He said
> > >>>>>
>
> > >>>>>> the
> > >>>>>> department
> >
> > >>>> was
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > >
> mulling
> > >>> more on-the-spot recruitment drives
> >
> > >>>>>> across
> >
> >>>>>
> > > the
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >> Valley,
> > >>>
> > particularly
>
> > >>>>>> in Srinagar's downtown area
> > > to end
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> > the
>
> > >>>>
> > >>> unrest.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The top cop rubbished
> > >
> reports
> > on desertions
> > >> and
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> insubordination. He
> > >
> > claimed
> > >>>>>> no police personnel
> > >>
> had quit since
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > mid-June
> > >>>>>>
> > > when
> > >>>>>
> Kashmir
> > >>>>>> erupted in
> > >> anger
> >
> > >>>>>> against the
> >
> >>>
> > > alleged
> > >>>> staged encounter
> > >>>>>> of
> > three
> > >>
> north
> > >>>>> Kashmir
> > >>>>>>
> > > youth and
> > >>> a
> > >>>>>>
> >
> 17-year-old
> > >>>> boy's killing
> > >> in
> > >>>>>> police
> > > action.
> Over 60
> >
> > >>>>>
> > >>> people,
> > >>>>>> including
> > >> women
> >
> >>>>>>
> > >>>> and
> > >
> > children, have
> > >>>>>> died in police
> > >>>
> firing on
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > protesters
> > >>>>>>
> > > since
> > >>>>
> then.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> State
> > >>>>>>
> > government
> > >>> sources
>
> > >> said J&K
> > > CM Omar
> > >>>>> Abdullah,
> > >>>>
> > who
> > >>>>>>
> has called for a
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > proactive
> >
> approach including the phased
> > >>>> revocation of
> > >>>>>
> > >>
> > >
> the
> >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>> controversial
> > >>>>>> Armed Forces
> Special Forces
> > >
> > Act
> > >>>> to
> > >> deal with
> > >>> street
> >
> >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> protests, has
> > ordered
> > >>>>>>
> > > creation of
> more
> > >> police
> > >>>> jobs to
> > >>> induct
> > youth from
> > >>>>>>
>
> > > the
> > >>>>>> troubled
> > >> areas.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > Meanwhile,
> in
> > >>>> its
> > >>> ongoing
> > > drive to reach out
> > >>>>>>
> > >>
> to
> > the
> > >>>>> people,
> > >>>>>> Kashmir
> > > range
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>
> IGP
> > >>>>
> > Kashmir, S M Sahai,
> > >> attended
> > >>>>>>
> > >
> police-public
> > >>>>> meetings
> > in
> > >>>>>>
> > >>> Ganderbal
> > >>>>
> and
> > >>>>>>
> > >> Budgam
> > > districts.
> > "At
> > >>>>>> Ganderbal
> District Police
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > > Lines,
> > >>>>>>
> >
> > >>>>
> > >>
> around 300 people
> > >>>>>> including senior
> > >>>>>>
> > > citizens
> >
> and
> > >>> sarpanchs
> > >>>>
> > >> participated,"
> > >>>>> a
> > >>>>>>
> police
> > >
> > spokesman
> > >>>>>> said.
> > >>>>>> "Sahai
> > >>>
> > >>
> assured the
> > >>>> people
> > that
> > > police will
> > >>>>> adopt
> >
> >>>>>> maximum
> > >>>
> > >> restraint
> >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> while
> > >
> dealing
> > >>>> with law and order
> > >>>
> > >>
> > situations."
> >
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> > >>>>>>
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> > >>
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