[Reader-list] Fwd: [pudr-info] Press Statement: PUDR strongly condemns the unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the Central Government in detaining Anna Hazare and his supporters

Karuna Dayal karunaadayal at gmail.com
Fri Aug 19 12:59:51 IST 2011 

Thank you for putting it down so clearly. I think we all need to accept the
fact you have stated in your comment. I personally believe that an
individual (you, me, all of us) can kill that streak of corruption in us
with just a bit of effort. As simple as not paying an extra buck to get the
essential things in life for a change.

The movement (campaign) started by Anna Hazare is ground breaking for
sure ...but as youth and individuals coming from urban and middle class -
are we strictly following the principle of correcting ourselves first???
It's not just adding our mouse clicks and head counts to a movement on
ending corruption .....it's about us following and practicing it!


On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Sharan ... <sharanlal at gmail.com> wrote:

> A wordy effort. To stop the oil you will need to stop the oil wells and
> that's not very good for the economy (or Reliance). To kill the wood you
> need to fell trees, but that requires axes that require wood... I dont see
> why we are making so much out of this campaign, when the fact of the matter
> is that the very people who are supporting this campaign (you, me) are
> steeped in corruption themselves - albeit small corruptions. Ok, Ok, not
> all, but most. All it takes is a click of the left button of the mouse to
> register your support for the protest, but do all of them, at their
> individual level follow a 100% corruption free existence? Do you? Do I?
>
> I do believe if ALL who have registered their support for Anna simply turn
> away from small corruptions in their day to day lives, it will vanish from
> our country forever. Try it. *It is as difficult to achieve as it is easy
> to
> click on the mouse or to send an sms. *If we can manage it at the
> individual
> level, we will not need Anna, or the Parliament. A campaign is an easy veil
> for our personal failings, it gives us an emotional brace, a small lie we
> tell ourselves that we are, indeed, against corruption. We may be - do we
> practice it?
>
> Let's leave the wood in the trees...please.
>
> Sharan
>
>
> On 19 August 2011 11:37, Nagraj Adve <nagraj.adve at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Tara Prakash,
> > It's quite easy to take potshots at this corruption campaign, and I don't
> > seek to do that. One can do so on many grounds and levels, depending on
> > one's own politics - that it is largely urban and middle class driven;
> that
> > it is openly supported by the Sangh Parivar orgns; that Anna supports the
> > death penalty for the very corrupt, etc.
> > I don't think you can stop the machinery by targetting the oil. It will
> > still run, perhaps a little less smoothly (for elites and capital, which
> > itself may be a welcome thing). Overall, that a number of high-profile
> > politicians and business people have been jailed in recent months
> reflects
> > the new found confidence of Indian capital. In capitalism, however, we
> have
> > created a monster over which we are losing control, if not already lost
> > control to a very large degree. Corruption does not address any of the
> huge
> > challenges it throws up, and will continue doing so with greater chaos in
> > the near future,
> > Naga
> >
> > On 18 August 2011 22:50, Tara Prakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > > True. But how can you kill the wood without cutting the trees? Isn't it
> a
> > > good strategy to defunct the machine by stopping the oil supply that
> > makes
> > > it run? It good to hit this corruption?
> > > Let it not be the situation at the international stage on global
> warming,
> > > the vested interests passing the buck to each other. The guy next door
> > says
> > > the main corruption is in the parliament and the parliamentarian says
> the
> > > guy next door needs to change first.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Nagraj Adve <nagraj.adve at gmail.com>
> > > *To:* Tara Prakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> > > *Cc:* Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>
> > > *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:21 AM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: [pudr-info] Press Statement: PUDR
> > > strongly condemns the unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the
> > Central
> > > Government in detaining Anna Hazare and his supporters
> > >
> > > Tara Prakash, the current focus on corruption - hugely significant as
> it
> > is
> > > - misses the wood for the trees a bit. What's much worse than
> corruption
> > is
> > > conscious govt policy that screws ordinary people's lives - to mention
> a
> > few
> > > examples offhand, what's happening to Indian agriculture; opening out
> > mining
> > > to large private corporates; the decline in rural extension services,
> and
> > > rural banking, in Delhi the handing over of large charitable hospitals
> to
> > > private corporates; the privatization of water, etc.
> > > Corruption has a part in some though not all of this, but it merely the
> > oil
> > > in the machinery. Far worse is the machinery itself.
> > > Naga
> > >
> > > On 18 August 2011 03:38, Tara Prakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> No comments from Shuddhabrata Sen on this? Last time there was an
> email
> > >> from him on this issue on the list where he sounded deferential to the
> > law
> > >> makers and almost contemptuous of Anna Hazare and his supporters.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nagraj Adve" <
> nagraj.adve at gmail.com
> > >
> > >> To: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>; <chhattisgarh-net at yahoogroups.
> > **com<chhattisgarh-net at yahoogroups.com>>;
> > >> "Free Binayak Sen" <free-binayaksen at googlegroups.**com<
> > free-binayaksen at googlegroups.com>
> > >> >
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:38 AM
> > >> Subject: [Reader-list] Fwd: [pudr-info] Press Statement: PUDR strongly
> > >> condemns the unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the Central
> > Government
> > >> in detaining Anna Hazare and his supporters
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>   ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >>> From: PUDR Delhi <pudrdelhi at gmail.com>
> > >>> Date: 16 August 2011 18:04
> > >>> Subject: [pudr-info] Press Statement: PUDR strongly condemns the
> > >>> unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the Central Government in
> > >>> detaining
> > >>> Anna Hazare and his supporters
> > >>> To: pudr-info at pudr.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *PEOPLES UNION FOR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS*
> > >>>
> > >>> *Press Release*
> > >>>
> > >>> *16th August 2011*
> > >>>
> > >>> ** **
> > >>>
> > >>> Peoples Union for Democratic Rights (PUDR) strongly condemns the
> > >>> unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the Central Government in
> > >>> detaining
> > >>> Anna Hazare and his supporters in the early hours of 16th August, who
> > >>> were
> > >>> scheduled to arrive at the site of peaceful demonstration. PUDR
> > considers
> > >>> the conditions laid down by the government such as number of
> > participants
> > >>> allowed, timing of the demonstrations etc. to be authoritarian. PUDR
> is
> > >>> concerned that this clampdown on democratic rights represents the
> > >>> shrinking
> > >>> democratic space in the country where S. 144 of CRPC is used to
> prevent
> > >>> citizens from lodging their disapproval of government policies and
> > >>> actions.
> > >>>
> > >>> PUDR is of the opinion that irrespective of politics they espouse,
> > >>> individuals and organisations have the legitimate right to mobilise
> > >>> people
> > >>> and stage protest against the government policies which they dislike
> or
> > >>> oppose.  In the specific instance of the Lokpal bill there maybe
> sharp
> > >>> disagreement over the various versions of the bill in the public
> domain
> > >>> from
> > >>> a variety of vantage points. We are mindful of the fact that two most
> > >>> talked
> > >>> about bills namely the government version and Anna Hazare’s team
> > version
> > >>> have been subjected to public criticism for a variety of reasons.
> > >>> However,
> > >>> for the government to claim that once the matter is placed before the
> > >>> parliament there is no cause for public protest  smacks of government
> > >>> being
> > >>> innocent of constitution they have sworn to protect. We wish to
> remind
> > >>> the
> > >>> central government that neither they nor the parliament can take away
> > >>> people’s inalienable rights under the spurious plea that once people
> > >>> elect
> > >>> their representatives right to protest by citizens gets curtailed.
> > >>>
> > >>> PUDR  is also concerned that it is the Central Government, which  by
> > >>> taking
> > >>> recourse to undemocratic means,  is further alienating people and
> > >>> compelling
> > >>> them, to *either *become mute witness to government-bureaucracy-**
> > >>> corporations
> > >>> nexus  in loot and plunder of the public funds, or to  take recourse
> to
> > >>> violent means of protest.
> > >>>
> > >>> PUDR, therefore, calls upon people to oppose the government stand on
> > >>> clamping down on legitimate protests and question government's right
> to
> > >>> decide what is permissible and what is not, so long as protests are
> > >>> peaceful.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Paramjeet Singh and Harish Dhawan
> > >>>
> > >>> (Secretaries PUDR)
> > >>>
> > >>> ** **
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