[Reader-list] Press Statement: PUDR strongly condemns the unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the Central Government in detaining Anna Hazare and his supporters

Sharan ... sharanlal at gmail.com
Sun Aug 21 13:08:51 IST 2011 

Tara,

If if one billion Sharons paying bribe is OK then there is little hope for
putting up a corruption free PM who is elected by the same Sharons. And that
the Sharons are corrupt does not bother the Taras who lives a corruption fee
life (of a certain definition), then there is not very much hope, as the
indifference will lead to lack of proactiveness in removing corruption from
day to day life from the middle class - where the cancer resides, hidden
from the glare of publicity and even conscious acceptance towards the self.
Remove corruption from the middle class, at the level of the individual, and
then we will see a change. PMs will come, and go - and so will bills and
parliament.

I wonder why the NGO's are not included in the lokpal bill by the Anna team.

Sharan

On 20 August 2011 01:16, Tara Prakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:

> **
> Unless you were to stretch the definition of corruption, I claim to live a
> corruption free life. Corruption free life is not possible, but the PM can
> be brought under the purview of the Lokpal bill. That Sharon pays bribes
> regularly does not bother me as much as an elected member of parliament, or
> the PM makes the government a slave to the corporations. You are obviously
> talking about a different issue. Because Sharon is corrupt, it does not
> justify the PM to follow suit. Perfection is the enemy of good and cynicism
> is the friend of status quo.
> Thanks
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Sharan ... <sharanlal at gmail.com>
> *To:* Nagraj Adve <nagraj.adve at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Tara Prakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> ; Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 3:10 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: [pudr-info] Press Statement: PUDR
> strongly condemns the unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the Central
> Government in detaining Anna Hazare and his supporters
>
> A wordy effort. To stop the oil you will need to stop the oil wells and
> that's not very good for the economy (or Reliance). To kill the wood you
> need to fell trees, but that requires axes that require wood... I dont see
> why we are making so much out of this campaign, when the fact of the matter
> is that the very people who are supporting this campaign (you, me) are
> steeped in corruption themselves - albeit small corruptions. Ok, Ok, not
> all, but most. All it takes is a click of the left button of the mouse to
> register your support for the protest, but do all of them, at their
> individual level follow a 100% corruption free existence? Do you? Do I?
>
> I do believe if ALL who have registered their support for Anna simply turn
> away from small corruptions in their day to day lives, it will vanish from
> our country forever. Try it. *It is as difficult to achieve as it is easy
> to click on the mouse or to send an sms. *If we can manage it at the
> individual level, we will not need Anna, or the Parliament. A campaign is an
> easy veil for our personal failings, it gives us an emotional brace, a small
> lie we tell ourselves that we are, indeed, against corruption. We may be -
> do we practice it?
>
> Let's leave the wood in the trees...please.
>
> Sharan
>
>
> On 19 August 2011 11:37, Nagraj Adve <nagraj.adve at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tara Prakash,
>> It's quite easy to take potshots at this corruption campaign, and I don't
>> seek to do that. One can do so on many grounds and levels, depending on
>> one's own politics - that it is largely urban and middle class driven;
>> that
>> it is openly supported by the Sangh Parivar orgns; that Anna supports the
>> death penalty for the very corrupt, etc.
>> I don't think you can stop the machinery by targetting the oil. It will
>> still run, perhaps a little less smoothly (for elites and capital, which
>> itself may be a welcome thing). Overall, that a number of high-profile
>> politicians and business people have been jailed in recent months reflects
>> the new found confidence of Indian capital. In capitalism, however, we
>> have
>> created a monster over which we are losing control, if not already lost
>> control to a very large degree. Corruption does not address any of the
>> huge
>> challenges it throws up, and will continue doing so with greater chaos in
>> the near future,
>> Naga
>>
>> On 18 August 2011 22:50, Tara Prakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > **
>> > True. But how can you kill the wood without cutting the trees? Isn't it
>> a
>> > good strategy to defunct the machine by stopping the oil supply that
>> makes
>> > it run? It good to hit this corruption?
>> > Let it not be the situation at the international stage on global
>> warming,
>> > the vested interests passing the buck to each other. The guy next door
>> says
>> > the main corruption is in the parliament and the parliamentarian says
>> the
>> > guy next door needs to change first.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > *From:* Nagraj Adve <nagraj.adve at gmail.com>
>> > *To:* Tara Prakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
>> > *Cc:* Sarai <reader-list at sarai.net>
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:21 AM
>> > *Subject:* Re: [Reader-list] Fwd: [pudr-info] Press Statement: PUDR
>> > strongly condemns the unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the
>> Central
>> > Government in detaining Anna Hazare and his supporters
>> >
>> > Tara Prakash, the current focus on corruption - hugely significant as it
>> is
>> > - misses the wood for the trees a bit. What's much worse than corruption
>> is
>> > conscious govt policy that screws ordinary people's lives - to mention a
>> few
>> > examples offhand, what's happening to Indian agriculture; opening out
>> mining
>> > to large private corporates; the decline in rural extension services,
>> and
>> > rural banking, in Delhi the handing over of large charitable hospitals
>> to
>> > private corporates; the privatization of water, etc.
>> > Corruption has a part in some though not all of this, but it merely the
>> oil
>> > in the machinery. Far worse is the machinery itself.
>> > Naga
>> >
>> > On 18 August 2011 03:38, Tara Prakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> No comments from Shuddhabrata Sen on this? Last time there was an email
>> >> from him on this issue on the list where he sounded deferential to the
>> law
>> >> makers and almost contemptuous of Anna Hazare and his supporters.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nagraj Adve" <
>> nagraj.adve at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "Sarai" <reader-list at sarai.net>; <chhattisgarh-net at yahoogroups.
>> **com<chhattisgarh-net at yahoogroups.com>>;
>> >> "Free Binayak Sen" <free-binayaksen at googlegroups.**com<
>> free-binayaksen at googlegroups.com>
>>  >> >
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:38 AM
>> >> Subject: [Reader-list] Fwd: [pudr-info] Press Statement: PUDR strongly
>> >> condemns the unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the Central
>> Government
>> >> in detaining Anna Hazare and his supporters
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> From: PUDR Delhi <pudrdelhi at gmail.com>
>> >>> Date: 16 August 2011 18:04
>> >>> Subject: [pudr-info] Press Statement: PUDR strongly condemns the
>> >>> unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the Central Government in
>> >>> detaining
>> >>> Anna Hazare and his supporters
>> >>> To: pudr-info at pudr.org
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *PEOPLES UNION FOR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS*
>> >>>
>> >>> *Press Release*
>> >>>
>> >>> *16th August 2011*
>> >>>
>> >>> ** **
>> >>>
>> >>> Peoples Union for Democratic Rights (PUDR) strongly condemns the
>> >>> unconstitutional and undemocratic act of the Central Government in
>> >>> detaining
>> >>> Anna Hazare and his supporters in the early hours of 16th August, who
>> >>> were
>> >>> scheduled to arrive at the site of peaceful demonstration. PUDR
>> considers
>> >>> the conditions laid down by the government such as number of
>> participants
>> >>> allowed, timing of the demonstrations etc. to be authoritarian. PUDR
>> is
>> >>> concerned that this clampdown on democratic rights represents the
>> >>> shrinking
>> >>> democratic space in the country where S. 144 of CRPC is used to
>> prevent
>> >>> citizens from lodging their disapproval of government policies and
>> >>> actions.
>> >>>
>> >>> PUDR is of the opinion that irrespective of politics they espouse,
>> >>> individuals and organisations have the legitimate right to mobilise
>> >>> people
>> >>> and stage protest against the government policies which they dislike
>> or
>> >>> oppose.  In the specific instance of the Lokpal bill there maybe sharp
>> >>> disagreement over the various versions of the bill in the public
>> domain
>> >>> from
>> >>> a variety of vantage points. We are mindful of the fact that two most
>> >>> talked
>> >>> about bills namely the government version and Anna Hazare’s team
>> version
>> >>> have been subjected to public criticism for a variety of reasons.
>> >>> However,
>> >>> for the government to claim that once the matter is placed before the
>> >>> parliament there is no cause for public protest  smacks of government
>> >>> being
>> >>> innocent of constitution they have sworn to protect. We wish to remind
>> >>> the
>> >>> central government that neither they nor the parliament can take away
>> >>> people’s inalienable rights under the spurious plea that once people
>> >>> elect
>> >>> their representatives right to protest by citizens gets curtailed.
>> >>>
>> >>> PUDR  is also concerned that it is the Central Government, which  by
>> >>> taking
>> >>> recourse to undemocratic means,  is further alienating people and
>> >>> compelling
>> >>> them, to *either *become mute witness to government-bureaucracy-**
>> >>> corporations
>> >>> nexus  in loot and plunder of the public funds, or to  take recourse
>> to
>> >>> violent means of protest.
>> >>>
>> >>> PUDR, therefore, calls upon people to oppose the government stand on
>> >>> clamping down on legitimate protests and question government's right
>> to
>> >>> decide what is permissible and what is not, so long as protests are
>> >>> peaceful.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Paramjeet Singh and Harish Dhawan
>> >>>
>> >>> (Secretaries PUDR)
>> >>>
>> >>> ** **
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