[Reader-list] MUSLIMS WANTS TO MOVE AHEAD

[A.K. Malik]

Hi Rakesh,
                   I think neither I nor Bipin ever said that whatever happened 
in 2002 and for that matter in 1984 was justified or correct. What Bipin and I 
have said that there is development in Gujarat which is better than what is 
there in many other states.If there is any doubt, better read the stats.I don't 
know where does Modi come in these observations.Your remarks in this mail are a 
little amaturish.Since you are obsessed with Modiphobia, you would not be able 
to understand it NOW.Am unable to comprehend how the deveopment which is a 
physical phenomena gets linked to 2002 riots and thence to Modi and then to 
immature remarks. My question to Bipin was in fact explanatory only to say that 
any praise on physical development in Gujarat is indirectly considered as praise 
on Modi and people get punished for it like Maualna.It is pure simple English.
The second part was on hoisting national flag.

(A.K.Malik)




----- Original Message ----
From: Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>
To: Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in>
Cc: sarai-list <reader-list at sarai.net>
Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 3:10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-list] MUSLIMS WANTS TO MOVE AHEAD

I was just again reading articles on 2002, in particular the accounts of
violence inflicted on Muslims after the Godhra incident. I also did read
about the Godhra incident itself (a few articles). Gruesome as it was, what
happened later can be no justification for it.

I therefore have a simple question for Bipin, Malik and all those who like
Modi for his development stance. In fact, all members of this forum.

If you (Every member of this forum can assume this 'you' to be himself or
herself) kill my father and mother, do I have the right to rape your wife in
revenge? Is that justified? Or Not?

Hope Bipin, Malik and others do have the guts to answer back. If not the
rest of course.

Of course, my mail on facts, I would try to read on that and put that out
soon.

Rakesh

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Rakesh Iyer <rakesh.rnbdj at gmail.com>wrote:

> I feel there is too much of this pro-Modi talk on how Modi has brought
> about development. At the same time, there has also been talk on whether
> Modi bashing is justified or not.
>
> Hence, I think it's better to have facts put out in the picture once again,
> so that the matter can be remembered also. Therefore, it would be prudent to
> have discussions based on facts. I hope I will be able to start this in my
> next mail soon, at least on the things that happened in 2002. At the same
> time, regarding his development claims, the research done must also be
> brought out in the picture, and I hope I can contribute to the same.
>
> I would request the other members of this forum to join me in this process,
> irrespective of their views on Modi. Yes, I wish even pro-Modi followers to
> bring well done research on Modi on this forum to discuss whether Gujarat
> has really undergone development or whether it's all a joke being presented
> or it's a combination of the two partially.
>
> Rakesh
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Bipin Trivedi <aliens at dataone.in> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://desh2014.wordpress.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All hell broke loose when Times of India ,few days back , published the
>> news
>> of Darul Uloom VC Maulana Vastavi lauding Gujarat . Maulana Vastavi was in
>> fact speaking about the all-inclusive development happening in Gujarat and
>> the importance of education for Muslims to enjoy the real fruits of this
>> development as explained in this excellent article
>> <
>> http://blog.offstumped.in/2011/01/22/maulana-vastanvi-indian-muslims-enterp
>>rise-versus-entitlements/<http://blog.offstumped.in/2011/01/22/maulana-vastanvi-indian-muslims-enterprise-versus-entitlements/>>
>>>
>>  by offstumped.
>>
>>
>>
>> Same media houses that lazily, reluctantly covered the magnificent vibrant
>> Gujarat Summit went into an overdrive producing articles after articles
>> denouncing Maulana Vastavi. Since Times of India started this, it felt the
>> maximum obligation to contain the damage as shown in the reporting pattern
>> of  Times of India below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jan 18 - Deoband chief lauds Modi
>> <
>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/New-Deoband-chief-lauds-Modis-Guja
>>rat/articleshow/7315607.cms<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/New-Deoband-chief-lauds-Modis-Gujarat/articleshow/7315607.cms>>
>>>
>> 's Gujarat
>>
>> Jan 19 - Social discrimination still persists
>> <
>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Social-discrimina
>>tion-still-persists/articleshow/7320643.cms<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/opinion/edit-page/Social-discrimination-still-persists/articleshow/7320643.cms>
>>>
>> >
>>
>> Jan 19 - Vastanvi
>> <
>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/Vastanvis-comment-draws-mix
>>ed-reactions/articleshow/7322850.cms<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/Vastanvis-comment-draws-mixed-reactions/articleshow/7322850.cms>>
>>>
>> 's comment draws mixed reactions
>>
>> Jan 19 - Muslim leaders aghast at Deoband chief
>> <
>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Muslim-leaders-aghast-at-Deoband-c
>>hiefs-remarks-on-Modi/articleshow/7321918.cms<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Muslim-leaders-aghast-at-Deoband-chiefs-remarks-on-Modi/articleshow/7321918.cms>>
>>>
>> 's remarks on Modi
>>
>> Jan 20 -Clerics slam Vastanvi for Modi praise
>> <
>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Clerics-slam-Vastanvi-for-Modi-pra
>>ise/articleshow/7330722.cms<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Clerics-slam-Vastanvi-for-Modi-praise/articleshow/7330722.cms>
>>>
>> >
>>
>> Jan 20 - `Hail Modi
>> <
>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Hail-Modi-by-Darul-Uloom-
>>VC/articleshow/7329864.cms<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Hail-Modi-by-Darul-Uloom-VC/articleshow/7329864.cms>>
>>>
>> ' by Darul Uloom VC
>>
>> Jan 21 - Personal relations behind rival
>> <
>> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/TNN21vastantimcleared-by-rajeev-22
>> 25------------/articleshow/7336633.cms> 's silence on Vastanvi's Modi
>> praise?
>>
>>
>>
>> As you see, ToI alone has produced daily 2/3 articles bashing Modi and
>> discrediting Vastanvi .If you include other news articles it comes to more
>> than 70 articles since last 3 days. The ultimate objective is either
>> Maulana
>> Vastanvi goes back on his statement or resigns from his post so that Modi
>> can be put back to the same media space reserved for him. Interestingly,
>> the
>> left-liberal visual media ignored this news as doing it may take maulavi's
>> message to a much larger audience. Better to hide what can not be defended
>> easily.
>>
>> The most astonishing thing is all this is happening when Modi made no
>> attempt to use Vastanvi's endorsement to his advantage. In fact Modi has
>> always shown grace dealing with media , advocated the importance of media
>> in
>> a democracy and the constructive role media can play in India.If Modi
>> speaks
>> to media they say he is brash and ugly, If he does not they say he has no
>> remorse. Same media that does not dare to write a single word against
>> Gandhi
>> family calls Modi
>>
>> Hitler,Nero,mass-murderer,rabble-rouser,shrill,communal,anti-muslim,megaloma
>> niac,autocrat in the most brazen way and if anyone challenges this notion
>> be
>> it Amitabh Bachan or maulana Vastanvi media goes after them with
>> vengeance.
>>
>>
>>
>> When modi speaks about 10% growth, knowledge economy, science, green
>> energy,
>> agriculture modernization, waste management, smart cities, infrastructure
>> etc. our media writes about 2002 Godhra, 2002 Godhra and 2002 Godhra. It
>> seems as if  the career of a media person is directly proportional to
>> number
>> of anti-Modi projects he/she has undertaken.
>>
>> In my earlier post I had reflected upon
>> <http://desh2014.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/why-do-they-hate-narendra-modi/
>> >
>> "Why do they hate narendra Modi" and I am totally convinced that even if
>> all
>> the Muslims of Gujarat praise Modi's development policy, the media will
>> still retain Modi's status-quo.
>>
>>
>>
>> Question is what is the objective of the media? The ominous objective is
>> to
>> keep Narendra Modi away from national politics so that the prince can
>> occupy
>> the throne unchallenged.
>>
>> The strategy  to achieve this objective is to create an impression that
>> Modi
>> is not acceptable outside Gujarat so that he will face enough resistance
>> within BJP, from its allies ,  from the Congress and from the media.
>>
>>
>>
>> The tool to implement this strategy is to maintain the
>> communal,anti-muslim
>> image of Modi. Sonia-led Congress has outsourced this task to CBI, media ,
>> ATS , NGOs ,the self-proclaimed activists and "civil-society".
>>
>>
>>
>> Rather than defeating Congress, the real challenge in front of Modi is how
>> to fight all these external agents to lead BJP at the national level. I
>> hope
>> the central BJP leaders will also realize that in Modi the future lies
>> (For
>> the party and the country) and help Modi with all the support he requires.
>> Modi deserves JUSTICE from all the canards,slanders,abuses and
>> untouchability he had faces in past 8 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S. : The day India gets governance in stead of government , India will
>> also get the true 4th pillar of democracy in stead of news manufacturer
>> and
>> brokers.
>>
>>
>>
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