[Reader-list] MEDIA IN TRIPURA : COMMENTS from tripurainfo.com message board

[vishwajyoti ghosh]

THIS IS REGARDING THE TRIPURA NEWSLETTER,
ya nice to know all about the marginalised voices from the north east, the subaltern semiotics and all that crap, but i definitely think we could do with a moderator here, coz i'm not coming online to know bout whos interested in fucking whos mom, or whos going fr whos blood...
media and the public domain also can hve certain parameters to function in, right?
vishwajyoti ghosh

On Sat, 08 Feb 2003 Sagnik Chakravartty wrote :
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>   Posted by:   Sagnik Chakravartty  Date:   07-02-2003
>Time:   23:11:12
>Well I enjoyed reading the views on media in this
>section. Friends, you can logonto
>www.sarai.net and participate in the online discussion
>list - reader-list by posting your views on such
>topics there. You can have great interaction and
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>Reader-list.
>   Posted by:   bengali of tripura  Date:   05-02-2003
>Time:   19:09:56
>hey tipras dont shout too much here u fucking pahairas
>came out of cave yesterday and now think that u are
>the owner of this state fuck u mamas . just have a
>look around all the cities and then think about how it
>has been developed and who did all that. u better know
>that all the developments in the main land of tripura
>is done by bengalis . why on earth did u come out of
>ur hills stay there in peace . dont come nearby
>agartala also or else ur bhai bandhus will be killed .
>and those churches which has washed ur brain(brain do
>u have really!!!) will never come to ur rescue if all
>the bengalis go against u .so plz tipra brothers and
>sisters go back to ur caves and sing ´phaidi phaidi´
>and be happy there .if u really want to do something
>develop ur adc area and show us . bye mama and mamis
>   Posted by:   MANIK BARMAN  Date:   02-02-2003 Time:
>  14:46:59
>STOP THIS ARGUMENT AMONG YOURSELVES.EVERYONE IS
>MIGRATED FROM SOME WHERE. SOME ONE YESTERDAY AND SOME
>ONE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, SO WHY DO YOU KILL YOUR TIME
>IN POLLUTING YOUR BROTHERHOOD.
>SEE OTHERS, THEY ARE DEVELLOPING AND ACCELERATING
>THEIR DEVELOPMENTS,AND WE??????
>SO, BE COMPATATIVE BUT NOT WITH YOUR OWN BROTHERS.
>AND THE PEOPLE STAYING OUTSIDE, DON´T YOU OBSERB THAT
>HOW OTHERS ARE NEGLECTING THE NORTHEASTERN STATES ONLY
>BECAUSE OF THIS EXTREMIST PROBLEMS.
>SO, BETTER LEAVE ALL THESE FALTU IDEAS AND PUT YOUR
>HANDS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR STATE.
>
>   Posted by:   ayungsa tripura.  Date:   30-01-2003
>Time:   12:46:42
>hi.
>icecandyman iwill fuck your mother and sister be ready
>okay.i will come every night 10p.m and i will pay you
>ahuge amount of money.Be ready to accept it.fucking
>your mother and sister i enjoy alot.wah what a night
>to fuck with your mom and sis.
>   Posted by:   iam a tripuri (nokbar)Delhi.  Date:
>30-01-2003 Time:   12:40:05
>iam a tripuri.iam not afraid of you bangali(musok).iam
>ready to give my life,blood and scrafice for my people
>you know musok.let me finish first my education.after
>that iam going to serve for my people.you all musok
>are refugees from bangladesh.this is my motherland,iam
>not afraid to say that this is my motherland.iam ready
>to give my life for my tripuri.you all will have to
>leave our land,i think you all know(musok).
>   Posted by:   Augustus  Date:   30-01-2003 Time:
>03:19:54
>It seems some constructive ideas are coming out at
>last.But seriously--------we can make this forum
>productive only if we can do something positive rather
>than simply discussing in this forum.Because,very few
>of our friends sitting in Tripura are looking at the
>site.Public opinion can not be influenced by merely
>discussing things in this forum.At the most one might
>derive some sort of pseudo intellectual satisfaction
>out of this activity.
>   Posted by:   INPT killed them  Date:   28-01-2003
>Time:   06:04:34
>INPT 100% behind this incident
>why the govt. is just watching
>
>   Posted by:   Tripura  Date:   28-01-2003 Time:
>01:46:46
>Tripura Hindus and Bengali Hindus must unite together
>against the Christian narcoterrorists who want a
>christian-only state. Fight back brothers.
>   Posted by:   icecandyman  Date:   27-01-2003 Time:
>06:51:04
>we don´t need the "party-office" culture for any
>developement activity either. Let the govt.( who ever
>be in power) invite the industrialists to explore the
>market in tripura and neighbouring states and of
>course a market in bangladesh can also be explored(
>all they need is an export license).
>
>They can set up their manufacturing units some place
>in tripura where rail access is available. Govt. also
>should be pro-active( i know they have many policies,
>but ultimately all end under the dreaded Red Tape)in
>approaving their place, providing some soaps in taxes
>etc.. When mass employment is generated, education, IT
>and eveything else will follow.
>
>   Posted by:   Ei Samay  Date:   27-01-2003 Time:
>05:45:14
>Now the very basic question for all of us is what
>would be the policy in this globalize scenario for a
>small state like Tripura? Is it only the education
>dept. has to create job opportunity for the youth? the
>all rapidly developing states (e.g Karnataka,
>Maharastra, Andra Prasesh etc.) giving more focus on
>I.T sector, i do believe that, communication is not a
>barrier for us as far as I.T industry is concerned as
>we have Agartala airport and we do have nice access
>Kolkata International airport. Now the question is
>where from we will get skilled man power, i would say,
>yes we do have eng. college, but that´s not enough,
>here govt. has to take more and more initiatives, (I
>think current govt. has to review their
>industry/economic policies towards I.T, every evening
>their employees/comrades like TGEA, etc shout for
>anti-IT and they send their sons/daughters for IT
>education outside state, this attitude must change,
>also the attitude of copying Bodhababu has to change
>first) Why there is no MCA course in Tripura
>University?why there is no BCA/B.Sc (CS) course in
>colleges? Agartala needs to give more importance to
>other towns like Dharmanagar, a complete statewise
>education program we do need today. state also has
>nice access of silchar REC, and Assam University,
>therefore i don´t think quality man power at the
>initial stage would be a problem, and now the most
>vital issue is infrastructure, political as well as
>social, it has to come from govt, from public
>attitude, should not come from party office
>of-course.. at least in I.T sector we don´t want
>party-office culture...are our state leaders
>visualizing this state as one of the I.T developed
>state in india after 10 years down the line?
>   Posted by:   icecandyman  Date:   27-01-2003 Time:
>04:05:08
>Amra bangali stinks.. sucks... maan, grow up!!
>Loverof Tripura, this msg board has taken a diversion
> from it´s topic and taken for good. Stay out if you
>don´t like the comments, we certainly don´t require
>any editorial judgement from you..if you have
>something to contribute towards the diverted topic,
>post else shut up.
>   Posted by:   amora bangali  Date:   27-01-2003 Time:
>   01:47:58
>11 massacred
>what more...start killing back the consultant of
>millitants in agartala the babus of debbarma
>lets massacre Mr.Rabindra debbarma,Upendra
>debbarma,Nishikanta debbarma, Harinath debbarma,and NC
>debbarma
>Finsih them, there will be peace for both the
>community.The media should call all our amora
>bangali,and arrest them or finish them,we will live in
>peace.I hope the major tripuris will support me
>blindly
>
>   Posted by:   Mr. LoverofTripura  Date:   26-01-2003
>Time:   23:34:01
>I guess the topic of discussion over here was the role
>of media in Tripura but, i wonder why people are
>putting their sentimental feelings over the board like
>fools.
>In my opinion press/media in Tripura is not very
>effective. The role of midia should be to make people
>aware of every possible opportunity to grow.
>   Posted by:   Amra Bangali  Date:   25-01-2003 Time:
>  00:59:27
>As war has been one of the most effective solutions
>method for all problems since ancinet times, we should
>not rule out of any war between Tripuris and Bengalis
>in Tripura. As a nation and community, one should
>reserve this war option whenever need arises. So, I
>don´t discount Charu das´s suggestion as mere cynic
>views. But rather it should be reality one day if need
>arises. We can quote Mr. Anil Sarkar´s statement where
>he had called all non-tribals of Tripura to unite and
>kill/maime as many tribals as possible whenever
>there´s attack on bengalis in hilly areas. But thing
>is that do Bengalis have the guts to unitedly fight
>any war? As history shows Hindu Bengalis have never
>been able to unitedly fight any big war except those
>stray shootings against the British officials and some
>naxalite movements. So, be prepared to fight or leave
>Tripura otherwise. Being kshatriyas, Tripuris are
>battle hardened community, and hence defeating them in
>any war would be daunting tasks.
>   Posted by:   icecandyman  Date:   24-01-2003 Time:
>05:11:41
>I am clueless why my messge has been posted thrice..it
>was not intended by me to be so ---
>   Posted by:   icecandyman  Date:   24-01-2003 Time:
>04:18:55
>Mr. Debbarma´s message is praise worthy. Ei Samay also
>has very valid points. Mr. Charu´s message do touch
>one´s heart. So where the msg. board is heading
>towards? A trouble free, prosperous and peaceful
>Tripura.
>
>I personally think, most of the msgs that are in the
>mesg board are coming out directly from the heart with
>a genuine concern for the well being of Tripura. I
>only wish, that common sense prevail to those who want
>the same at the expense of the bengali´s, we also
>belong as much to tripura as anybody else. I don´t
>understand why the bigotrious and stubborn attitude of
>a few wel educated guys towards the bengali community.
>Mr. Adhir, same happens to anyone who goes to MBB or
>TEC or Tripura Polytechnic from the mofussil
>towns/villages.
>
>Let´s ponder more on Mr. Debbarma´s question, and find
>out who the real loosers are. Let the messages flow,
>let the commonsense precail, let the political
>authotrity take some rear guard action, let the
>tribals join the main stream, let the people go and
>work fearlessly in the remote villages, let the
>infrastructure develop, let the mayhem stop, let all
>forces go out of tripura, let us all leave an amicable
>life full of camaraderie.
>
>(Micheal, you still haven´t stopped bragging, yes I
>know how it feels from being a prestigious
>institution, ´cause I am )
>   Posted by:   icecandyman  Date:   24-01-2003 Time:
>03:35:40
>Mr. Debbarma´s message is praise worthy. Ei Samay also
>has very valid points. Mr. Charu´s message do touch
>one´s heart. So where the msg. board is heading
>towards? A trouble free, prosperous and peaceful
>Tripura.
>
>I personally think, most of the msgs that are in the
>mesg board are coming out directly from the heart with
>a genuine concern for the well being of Tripura. I
>only wish, that common sense prevail to those who want
>the same at the expense of the bengali´s, we also
>belong as much to tripura as anybody else. I don´t
>understand why the bigotrious and stubborn attitude of
>a few wel educated guys towards the bengali community.
>Mr. Adhir, same happens to anyone who goes to MBB or
>TEC or Tripura Polytechnic from the mofussil
>towns/villages.
>
>Let´s ponder more on Mr. Debbarma´s question, and find
>out who the real loosers are. Let the messages flow,
>let the commonsense precail, let the political
>authotrity take some rear guard action, let the
>tribals join the main stream, let the people go and
>work fearlessly in the remote villages, let the
>infrastructure develop, let the mayhem stop, let all
>forces go out of tripura, let us all leave an amicable
>life full of camaraderie.
>
>(Micheal, you still haven´t stopped bragging, yes I
>know how it feels from being a prestigious
>institution, ´cause I am )
>   Posted by:   icecandyman  Date:   24-01-2003 Time:
>03:28:49
>Mr. Debbarma´s message is praise worthy. Ei Samay also
>has very valid points. Mr. Charu´s message do touch
>one´s heart. So where the msg. board is heading
>towards? A trouble free, prosperous and peaceful
>Tripura.
>
>I personally think, most of the msgs that are in the
>mesg board are coming out directly from the heart with
>a genuine concern for the well being of Tripura. I
>only wish, that common sense prevail to those who want
>the same at the expense of the bengali´s, we also
>belong as much to tripura as anybody else. I don´t
>understand why the bigotrious and stubborn attitude of
>a few wel educated guys towards the bengali community.
>Mr. Adhir, same happens to anyone who goes to MBB or
>TEC or Tripura Polytechnic from the mofussil
>towns/villages.
>
>Let´s ponder more on Mr. Debbarma´s question, and find
>out who the real loosers are. Let the messages flow,
>let the commonsense precail, let the political
>authotrity take some rear guard action, let the
>tribals join the main stream, let the people go and
>work fearlessly in the remote villages, let the
>infrastructure develop, let the mayhem stop, let all
>forces go out of tripura, let us all leave an amicable
>life full of camaraderie.
>
>(Micheal, you still haven´t stopped bragging, yes I
>know how it feels from being a prestigious
>institution, ´cause I am )
>   Posted by:   charu das  Date:   24-01-2003 Time:
>02:54:50
>So, let Bengalis and Tripuris declare formal war on
>each other. Tripuris and Bengalis fight in open way.
>Whoever wins the bloody fight, would stay in the
>state. Let all Central forces be taken away from the
>state. All Bengalis and Tripuris TSRs and Police would
>go to each others side. Let the national Highway be
>closed so that no one can go out without getting
>killed or killing someone. Let the border be patrolled
>by B´desh rilfes so that no one from Tripura can
>escape to B´desha also. This war would settle all
>issues - either one of the community would perish. My
>this suggestion should stop any further discussion on
>this topic in this message board.
>   Posted by:   Ei Samay  Date:   24-01-2003 Time:
>01:08:26
>Let me put my view without any ambiguity
>1. If tripura is the motherland of my tripuri friends,
>it is also my motherland. (Even though my ancestors
>came from other part of the world). I also can´t
>tolerate any uncivilized activities in my state such
>as kidnappings or militants activities etc. If some of
>my tripuri brothers believe in this ideology, they
>have to pay for that.
>
>2. What US or other countries doing today can´t be the
>solutions to every ground ALWAYS, our emotion is the
>integral part of our life, we have to respect it.
>
>3. Tripura needs urgent development in socio-economic
>area, and we need complete participation from everyone
>of the society, you can´t dream a develop state just
>with few class VIII pass Kakbarak teachers, (Please,
>don´t take it other way, I have honest respect to this
>language), and once again i would like to mention,
>just pushing others from you, you can´t have the
>refugee solutions, we have to address it globally, it
>can´t be the tripura´s problem only. we have to search
>for a global solution for that.
>
>   Posted by:   Mr. Debbarma  Date:   24-01-2003 Time:
>  00:07:24
>Hi Guyz,
>I think there is lot of mud spilling over each
>othere´s lineages... We at this stage need
>understanding from each of the people living in
>Tripura.
>I should ask you a question please ask yourself?
>Who is really suffering by this so called the communal
>conflict, who damn is the looser...
>It is us the common people, everyone fights for its
>right. Even an insect when it is surrounded by lots of
>ants protects itself.
>But, ofcourse we are not insects or ants we are human
>beings, and if the situatin continues i am afraid we
>will be left only with wounds on either side....
>   Posted by:   for augustus and icecandyman from adhir
>  Date:   23-01-2003 Time:   23:54:14
>Audustus You are very mean to say that?
>How do you say nobody is stopping them to compete in
>open category.First you look into the administration.I
>don´t understand,why bengalis from tripura are so much
>possessive about the hindu bengalis from bangladesh.If
>you are so much aware for them,why don´t you create
>some place in west bengal?Look at the national level
>politics also.The VHP and RSS are only after muslims
>bangladeshi never after the Hindu bengalis from "opaar
>bangla".Bengalis are never developing mind although
>they are brilliant but those days are already past.Now
>the situation has turned the opposite.What the whole
>indians think today the bengalis think after 20
>years.And still the bengalis in tripura think putting
>them in that state will improve the state.Why you guys
>are worrying for tripura and people from that
>state?Its been already tested for last 50 years.You
>have done nothing for that state.Today we don´t even
>have good postal service in remote area.You should
>look into yourself and find the reason why bengal
>today is vanishing from the world´s map of
>development.Bengalis now live only remembering the
>past.What we tripuris will do whether great mind of
>bengals help india win over the british or not.We need
>to think for our own interest.There was a day when
>Tagore/JC bose and Dr meghnath saha seek the financial
>help from tripura govt(the then king).Are you
>forgetting all those help?
>Mr.Icecandyman is also forgetting how communal and
>castiest the bengalis are .Now you are thinking the
>terrorist problem.When I was a student in my school I
>never get good marks in geography inspite of my
>scoring the highest in all other subjects because of
>my one communal teacher.But I am not blaming all other
>bengali teachers.Don´t you think that one bengali
>teacher has created my mind as separatist towards
>bengali?When I came to Princeton the situation turned
>otherway around....I am the best.
>We have been mistreated,looked down,discriminated and
>overthrown from all of our rights.We lost our basic
>human rights in tripura.There should be some good
>people who shd rule the state.Even we can not go to
>MBB college for admission.I still remember when I went
>for applying admission in science alongwith one of my
>good bengali friends.I was forced to take out my shirt
>and run around the college.So imagine now,why should
>not I go against the bengalis.More or less,95%
>bengalis from tripura are communal.5% are very good to
>tribals.They are helpful and good bengali may be real
>bengalis/
>
>   Posted by:   Michael Deb Barma  Date:   23-01-2003
>Time:   21:04:59
>Hi to icecandyman and Mr./Ms. Ei Samay,
>You guys may have plenty of time to discuss on this
>Refugee problem vis-a-vis Tripura Media topic, but my
>opinions remain the same.
>
>1. Refugee Bengalis from Tripura would have to be
>either pushed to Bangladesh or relocated to other
>bigger states of India. Why should Tripura being so
>small state bear so much pain and sufferings caused by
>the Bangladeshi refugees? It´s neither emotional nor
>political. It´s the most practical solution in this
>modern world. Malaysia has done recently the same with
>Indonesian illegal immigrants in Malaysia. Every
>nation/every state in this world has adopted this
>solution. UAE recently ordered all those illegal
>Indian workers to leave UAE within stipulated time.
>Currently US is requiring all those male muslims above
>the age of 16 to register with INS. US says that they
>are open to outsiders but at the same time, they must
>protect their homelands/their nation. For Tripura and
>Tripuris it is the same-we must protect our
>motherland, our identity, our political rights from
>refugees/illegal migrants with whichever means we need
>to adopt.
>
>2. As far as the current mindless violence of the
>militants is concerned, it´s created by the Refugee
>Bengalis administration ONLY. Whether they are left or
>right leaders, they have polluted the young Tripuris
>minds to such an extent that a section of young
>Tripuris have turned to this path of mindless
>violence. Of course, this is thanks to a section of
>foolish Tripuri politicians being tricked by the
>refugee bongs.
>
>3. Whether you agree or not, the refugee problem has
>to be settled once for all. No excuse , saying it´s
>emotional issue , Bengalis are part of Tripura etc.
>etc. Else Tripura will further burn in coming days.
>Crooked Tripuri politicians also need to remember this
>that they would be punished severly if they keep on
>cheating on their own people by creating these
>politically motivated mindless terrorists.
>
>4. As far as political parties of Tripura/India are
>concerned, all of them are crooked and corrupt. But
>taking complete apolitical and practical point of
>view, we must accept this fact that TRipura has been a
>great victim of the refugee problem. In coming days,
>Meghalaya and Assam would be another victims. Time is
>not far behind when these two states face the
>extinction of indigenous people from its landscape.
>Therefore, all the indigenous people of the north east
>must be aware of this fact and struggle toward
>protecting their rights and lands.
>
>Any comments icecandyman and Mr./Ms. Ei Samay? (Note:
>icecandyman, No use of being after my degree or
>academic background. Just try to see what it looks
>like or feels to be in prestigious instition, instead
>of making long list of those passing out from them).
>   Posted by:   icecandyman  Date:   23-01-2003 Time:
>07:23:28
>oops!! so many msgs on the board and I can see Mr.
>Micheal´s myopic and blurred views are getting
>clearer.. He is not the same man who bragged about IIM
>lineage( how stupid it sounded!!! ) and eradicating
>the bengalis "whichever way is possible" thus showing
>his solidarity with the nonsense carnage that´s going
>these days in tripura. How vindictive he sounded.. and
>he is an IIM product that too without availing
>reservation( well, IIM do have reservation policy as
>per govt rule and your fraternity can avail that as
>well- MIND IT) was appearing as a total fallacy. I
>have managed a team consisting of IIM guys in recent
>past, and I know the trait of the guys coming out from
>those Prestigious Institute. YOU (Mr. Micheal)
>apparently sound as "the odd man out". However, I am
>seeing more sense in Mr. Micheal’s last posting.
>
>No more personal mud-slinging. Let´s all address the
>teething troubles that is disturbing the
>socio-economic scenario of Tripura. Driving the bongs
>out by any means is not a good solution, probably my
>tripuri friends will also agree. We need to stop this
>mindless act called insurgency ( in other, fighting
>for a free twipra) ASAP. This alone will solve many
>problems. Investments will also start flowing in.
>Society will settle down, the scars left in the mind
>of all communities in Tripra will slowly erase. The
>vindictive talks and useless ruckus of driving bongs
>will not work. WE BONGS ARE ALSO AN INTEGRAL PART of
>Tripura. Let´s all understand that.
>
>
>Mr. Micheal, would eagerly wait for your views on the
>massacre of Tribals by so called terrorist outfit just
>because the follow some political lineage? The plight
>of those Tripuri´s who are badly affected due to this?
>The guys who are going to the interiors of Tripura to
>build the infrastructure ( Railways, water supply,
>health centre, docs, teachers etc etc...) and getting
>kidnapped or killed? The answer to your point
>regarding the infrastructures in the tribal areas not
>improving lies here...
>
>   Posted by:   Ei Samay  Date:   23-01-2003 Time:
>06:07:02
>Hi, Mr Michael Deb Barma ...
>Please don´t generalize your view with the entire
>Tripuri´s view. and regarding your name, the
>explanation you have given, sounds good, but sorry to
>mention that you have deviated the point from the
>track, as far as
>your name is concerned, i don´t have any problem, but
>the problem is with "Michael" culture, and i have
>mentioned one of the example of that, "Ujan Maidan"
>what was that Mr. DebBarma? how you will describe
>that? i would like to see...
>
>Yes, influx of refugees is an issue, and the issue not
>only exists with Tripura, rather with other north-east
>states, for that we simply can´t blame just one
>community! we have to ask this question to our
>history, you agree or not, it´s more an emotional
>issue rather than a political, you can´t expect
>solution for this from political point of view. what
>is you view? is the solutions of the problem are
>kidnappings, raping bengali woman, not allowing
>bengali teachers, doctors in ADC area?
>
>you can´t not ignore history as far as you claim
>yourself as a member of the civilized world. and as
>far as identity is concerned, you can´t survive with
>it just pushing other from you, we have to learn from
>others, specially, in this globalize era, we all have
>to accept it, doesn´t matter, you are a tripuri or i
>am a bengali...you must have competitive attitude,
>that´s more important, what Churls Darwin said long
>back even today it is universally accepted but in a
>civilized manner...
>
>   Posted by:   Augustus  Date:   23-01-2003 Time:
>03:55:55
>At last Mr Michael Deb Barma has started behaving
>sensibly.
>Yes we do need dialogues like this to solve the
>problems.It seems the media at last is inching towards
>maturity (at least we now have a platform to discuss).
>
>   Posted by:   Michael Deb Barma  Date:   22-01-2003
>Time:   11:59:02
>Hi to Mr./Ms. Ei Samay,
>
>Thanks for questioning my educational background or
>rather the entire Tripuri´s credibility as a nation. I
>understand this fact that to the ordinary refugee
>Bengalis the Tripuris as a community have no
>credibility-in education, in sports, in jobs, in fact
>nowhere. But why? Because they know very little of our
>culture, our history, our civilization. They came from
>Bangladesh yesterday although they teach us today on
>Tripura history.
>
>As far as my name is concerned, Mr./Ms. Ei Samay seems
>to be living in the age which is at least 200-300
>years back. My dear friend, please have a look at some
>Asian countries only-no need to go to far Western
>countries. So many Chinese, so many Malays,
>Indonesians, Vietnamese, or rather so many Indians
>have English names today. What is wrong with names?
>Mr. Bruce lee too had English name, he was born in US,
>but he was Chinese at heart, in his life style, in his
>practice. I may have English name, but at heart I am a
>Tripuri. I find my heart still in the hills of
>Tripura. Having English name doesn´t indicate you are
>lost to Western culture or you are Westernized.
>
>Today Tripuris neither needs Michael culture-as
>Mr./Ms. Ei Samay said(read Western) nor Benagli
>culture. What we need today is the solution to the
>continuous influx of refugee problem. Until and unless
>this is stopped, the entire next generation is going
>to face extinction.
>
>Tripuris as such have no personal hatred against the
>Benagli community. In fact, Tripura has long history
>of Bengali population living side by side Tripuris.
>Concern is: today in our own land we are in negligible
>minority due to influx of refugees. We have lost all
>political, economic power to the refugee population.
>These factors have contributed to anger toward the
>refugees.Make no mistake Bengalis did have great
>contribution to Tripura since the Maniky times. But
>the current large refugee population has only
>contributed to the sufferings of both the Tripuris and
>original Tripura Bengalis. Rgds Michael Deb Barma.
>   Posted by:   Ei Samay  Date:   22-01-2003 Time:
>08:30:18
>If it is true that Mr. "Michael" Deb Barma from IIM,
>then we have to change our
>idea, i don´t think any IIM graduate needs such self
>advertisement, the unique
>student quality of IIM itself is the identity of
>"IIM-graduate". His soft skill,
>attitude etc are enough to tell, yes, this guy is from
>IIM.
>anyway, let us do some research with his Name
>"Michael" Deb Barma. Why "Michael"?
>Mr. DebBarm! Your name doesn´t reflect your
>originality, sorry to mention here, even
>today, a new born baby of Tripura knows the driving
>force behind the so-called
>"Michael" culture of Tripura. And the fact is, Govt.
>of Tripura is spending money
>to promote traditional festivals, and it is very sad
>to see, very few are
>participating,...question is where are the people?
>They all are "Michael" today!
>...and what is their culture? "Ujan Maidan"! We do
>remember it Mr. DebBarma!!!
>and let me tell you one thing, Bengali culture is not
>only with/for bengali speaking
>people, it has complete respect for all other
>community also. Today (and even
>in past) Tripura´s identity is not only it´s
>tribe-culture (please, ignore
>"Michael" culture) but also with parallel bengali
>culture. This unique combination
>gives us the confidence and driving force to fight
>against this "Michael" group today.
>
>   Posted by:   Augustus  Date:   22-01-2003 Time:
>03:26:17
>Mr Charu Das
>Nobobody has stopped tribals from competing in the
>open seats.If they are confident they can compete for
>the open seats,prove their mettle and strive for a
>better qualitry of life.How long do they expect to be
>spoonfed?
>   Posted by:   for mr august from Charu das  Date:
>22-01-2003 Time:   00:33:26
>Dear friend augustas
>You are totally wrong.Consider a small example.Higher
>study.Show me good REC seat for our good friends real
>tripuris.Except Jamshedpur and jalandhar what seat
>they get?Nothing.Otherway the bengalis are enjoying
>all the things.Do you still mean tribals would have
>been developed more had there been bengali rules right
> from 1900 or before that?What about west bengal
>then?where does it stand now?
>Please try to understand the problem of daily influx
>by hindu bengalis who are becoming sky-high problem
>for tripura.Tripuris are no more tribals.Their
>culture,noncastiest culture far better than
>bengalis.Intelligent bengalis have spoiled the future
>of tripura people by starting the education of tripura
>in bengali medium.Now neither majority of people can
>go out of state for job nor minority due to major
>language problem.You should not only concentrate on
>tripura history.You shd concentrate on the development
>work also.What these RSS and VHP are targetting
>now?Only muslims migrants never hindu migrants.The
>same case stands for pakistanis also.
>
>   Posted by:   non refugee bengali  Date:   20-01-2003
>Time:   21:11:27
>what mr. michael debbarma has said is not wrong
>totally . tripura was a much happier and peaceful
>state till 1970´s too till the refugees started coming
>in .it became complicated since the pouring of these
>bangladeshi refugees started they not only polluted
>our minds but also spoiled the society so i request
>all the tripuraites to fight against this flow and
>save the state
>   Posted by:   Augustus  Date:   19-01-2003 Time:
>09:48:09
>This is in reply to Michael Deb Barma´s venomous
>outburst against the Bengali population of Tripura.Mr
>Deb Barma claims to have received education from the
>topmost institutions in India, and yet he can not
>think in an openminded way,shedding parochialism.He
>has not been able to point out any specific way the
>Bengalis have harmed the Tripuris.He has cited the
>times when Tripura was a princely state.He has said
>that the state was developed even then.Probably he
>needs a refresher course in history.The Maharajas of
>Tripura had only undertaken to develop a handful of
>towns in Tripura.The rail heads were in Tripura,but
>the tracks lay in the erstwhile East Bengal.Had they
>taken enough measure to develop the entire
>state,tribals today would have been far more
>developed.Just to remind Mr Deb barma,The Maharajas
>were tribals and not Bengalis.Through this message
>board I shall keep updating Mr Deb Barma about such
>lessons of history,which probably he has forgotten
>after his stint abroad.
>   Posted by:   Michael Deb Barma  Date:   19-01-2003
>Time:   04:10:16
>Hi,
>I would like to comment on Mr. Icecandyman´s 4 points
>- one by one. It´s so ridiculous to see this kind of
>responses from Mr. Icecandyman which reflects nothing
>but the Tripura Bengalis´ age-old chauvinism, belief
>and false pride that the Tripuris developed this much
>just becasue of the blessings of the Bengalis, else
>Tripuris would have been living in the STONE age even
>now.
>
>1. Tripura without Bongs majority would have been 100
>times more developed than it´s today. All the central
>funds allocated for Tripura would have not been spent
>on the refugees well-beings. Rather it would have been
>utilized for Tripuris development. The current account
>deficit and budget deficit that Tripura Govt currently
>has , would have diasppeared completely. With its vast
>natural resources and no sign of militancy, Tripura
>would have economically become strong and
>self-sufficient.
>
>2.Tripuris and Bengalis lived happily earlier because
>those Bengalis then were from Tripura; they were NOT
>refugess from Bangaldesh. In earlier times, smarter
>bengalis always fooled around the simple-minded
>Tripuris which the Tripuris couldn´t realize they were
>being fooled. Today we can´t live happily together
>because Tripuris are awaken now and know Bengalis
>trick and tactics of fooling them.
>
>3. Tripuris never need this shit thing called ,
>reservation. I am a Tripuri and I went to study
>engineering with my own merit and excelled in
>engineering too. I went to IIM for my Post Graduation
>and excelled there too in my MBA. Today, I am working
>with top notch multi-national company in Australia.
>This is NOT by that shit thing called, Indian
>reservation system that I am here with the
>multi-national company. Mind you, MNCs don´t have
>reservation for STs the way Bengalis have blessed the
>Tripuris with reservation in Tripura. Let the
>reservations go off today and Tripuris can challenge
>in any field with Tripura bengalis-whether in sports,
>in academics, in any field. The real problem why
>Tripuris need reservation today is because Bengalis
>are in majority and by sheer numbers they would occupy
>all seats-in jobs, in engg, in medical. Reservation
>for Tripuri is there--NOT because Tripuris are less
>intelligent. (Note: Mr. icecandyman, do you knwo what
>IIM means? It´s Indian Institute of Management- a
>place for hard working and intelligent students where
>they are groomed to be the best future managers. Real
>hard place to be. No place for reservation, mind you).
>
>
>4. Tripura´s infrastucture during the Manikya time was
>much good or even better, for your kind information.
>Tripura had railways and airport for outside
>connection. As far as roads are concerned, no NE state
>had good road during 1940s. After India´s independence
>when the NE joined India, anyway Indian government was
>developing roads for the NE. SO whether Bengalis are
>there or NOT, Tripuras infrastucture would have been
>the same or better. Tripura government spends so much
>money currently on feeding those useless state
>government Bengali refugee employees. That money would
>have been used for developing roads and electricity.
>Mind you, during Indira Gandhi´s time, she made it a
>point for "Roti Kapda aur Makaan". SO whether Bengalis
>were in Tripura or not, India Gandhi´s programme would
>have been implemented in Tripura. Understand, India´s
>Five Year Plan programme happened and implemented in
>Tripura too, NOt beacuse Bengalis are here. This would
>have been implemented anyway in Tripura because
>Tripura is part of India.
>
>At last but not the least, make no mistake this fact
>that Tripuris get NO blessings from tripura refugee
>Bongs. The overflooding of refugees into Tripura has
>given our motherland much curse and sufferings. Today
>or tomorrow every Tripuri must get rid of this curse
>and sufferings-whichever means we have to take.
>
>Rgds Michael Deb Barma
>Perth, Australia
>   Posted by:   Manik Barman,IIT KGP  Date:
>18-01-2003 Time:   10:48:58
>Hello,
>I am targetting to the Adminstrator, you appoint a
>editor to edit the massages /sugessions put by the
>viewer. First you edit,then allow the massages to be
>published.
>I am observing here lots of massages are not related
>to the given topics, but with some ugly sense and
>slang words.
>Thats all.
>   Posted by:   for icecandy man  Date:   18-01-2003
>Time:   06:57:01
>Great!you guy shd be the CEO and CTO of tripura to
>uplift the state.
>   Posted by:   RC  Date:   17-01-2003 Time:   19:23:23
>
>I am really happy to see that the site gets so many
>hits,earlier there used to be one person saying all
>rubbish stuff.Good!!Tripurainfo.
>What i feel is that we are moving away from the whole
>point of ´Tripura as a state progressing or not´-how
>would media help here;not if bengalis are ahead or who
>wins the race.I think every tripurite should have the
>equal ammount of feelings for the state as we always
>had.In anycase, the rest of India looks upon the
>entire north eastern states in a different note,here
>if we also react in a similar way then what media are
>we talking about,there won´t be any people left to
>join the media.Everybody is interested in other stuff.
>
>Though a small state of Tripura, we have tons of
>problems that we only understand.Taking a small eg,how
>media can be strong enough for the people;natural
>beauty is in abundance but no tourism industry
>flourishes,why? we know the ans.can some one do
>anything as a common person,we can atleast voice our
>grieveances against the govt thru the media.The role
>of media is not only to report who is being murdered
>and killed etc,but to build up the state as a whole.I
>don´t think so media is that dumb that it knows no way
>to get the voice of common people heard to the
>govt.They have to find out ways and means how to do it
>and am sure people are there to support.But do we have
>that kind of a fraternity of journalist´s who really
>want to do something or everybody somewhere or the
>other is overtaken by the system.I see someone sitting
>in Perth, Australia, i ask this gentleman,what is the
>kind of system of relating incidents to the common
>masses in Austrlia,isn´t it so that they make you feel
>as if everything is your own and every incident
>somewhere or the other values individual
>person,weather it is drought,lack of gas, simple thing
>as swiming etc.
>Tell me if they can do it why can´t we, there is no
>rocket science involved.Here there is no question of
>technology but how we channelise our thoughts and
>present.
>Media can change the face of the state but we must
>have that urge to do it.I hope all the various
>channels of media in tripura is listening.
>   Posted by:   MANIK BARMAN  Date:   17-01-2003 Time:
>  12:40:31
>TRIPURAINFO.COM IS A GREAT TOOL IN SPREADING THE NEWS
>OF THE STATE TO THE STUDENTS STAYING OUTSIDE THE
>STATE. I FEEL PROUD TO SHOW ALL MY FRIENDS THAT WE
>HAVE AN WEBSITE IN OUR STATE WHICH IS BECOMING ONE OF
>THE GROWING WEBSITE IN INDIA.
>   Posted by:   icecandyman  Date:   14-01-2003 Time:
>10:46:33
>This message board is getting heavy on non-bengali
>sentiments et al. I would like to put a few crooked
>fact straight,
>
>Infiltration is a problem in Tripura, agreed. But then
>in many a ways, it´s a boon in disguise. I am a
>bengali, born and brought up in Dharmanagar(
>ancestors, yes from bangladesh) and feel my myself a
>tripurite as much as anyone can feel. Bengalis has
>provided a perfect ballance to Tripura and despite of
>many odds have excelled and tried to make tripura a
>better place to live. Now the boons,
>
>1. Think, tripura without the bongs. It would be in a
>state of bliss, but perhaps lagging by a 100 years
> from outside world. (Unfortunately we are still a good
>20 years lagging from other states in India, the
>credit goes to all those mushrooming non-sense
>terrorist organisations)
>
>2. I have seen in my childhood, that tribals and
>bengalis were living a life of perfect harmony, though
>bongs were in commanding position purely based on
>merit. Tribals were also benefitted, they were happy.
>
>3. All those diaspora voices that we are hearing in
>the message board malligning the bongs, should have to
>admit that, just because bongs were there they have
>reached to certain position and excelled professionaly
>in the outer world. They were silver spooned, with
>reservations with them. take out the reservation, they
>might not get a chance to study in any third graded
>college in india.
>
>3. The infrastructure, system and education in Tripura
>has progressed under the tutelege of so called
>immigrants.
>
>None the less, spewing venoms against the bong won´t
>help. Give a chance to the much maligned media to
>cover the finer aspects of tripura rather than the
>customery news of kidnap, killing and ambushes. The
>more the divide, more the hatred, implying that
>tribals in bengali dominated area(more developed too)
>and vice-versa will find it impossible to co-exist,
>which will hit the tribal fraternity more than
>anything.
>
>Are you listening????
>   Posted by:   SWKANG DEBBARMA  Date:   07-01-2003
>Time:   09:23:02
>MEDIA IN TRIPURA IS ACOMMUNAL TOUCHED.I WOULD LIKE TO
>COMMENTS IS THAT,THE ROLE OF MEDIA IN TRIPURA ALWAYS
>BRING DIVIDE AND ROLE POLICY AMONG THE TRIPURI
>PEOPLE.WE TRIPURI,WE LOVE TWIPRA.NO ONE CAN DIVIDE
>US,UNITY IS OUR STRENTHG.
>DELHI-54.
>   Posted by:   SWKANG DEBBARMA  Date:   07-01-2003
>Time:   09:16:43
>MEDIA IN TRIPURA IS ACOMMUNAL TOUCHED.I WOULD LIKE TO
>COMMENTS IS THAT,THE ROLE OF MEDIA IN TRIPURA ALWAYS
>BRING DIVIDE AND ROLE POLICY AMONG THE TRIPURI
>PEOPLE.WE TRIPURI,WE LOVE TWIPRA.NO ONE CAN DIVIDE
>US,UNITY IS OUR STRENTHG.
>DELHI-54.
>   Posted by:   Mr. Debbarma  Date:   01-01-2003 Time:
>  00:13:48
>Mr augustus must be more ashamed of himself.
>Forget about all the discriminisation and nepotism the
>authority act as,just imagine whether anybody of
>bengali commmunity ever introduce themselves as
>tripuri like their counterpart living in orissa and
>assam?
>For another example,how many police station you can
>show me inside the nonbengali dominated area before
>1980?Doesn´t it mean that all the time and again the
>govt is trying to protect only bengalis but never
>nonbengalis from all antisocial elements....Isn´t it a
>anti kokborok speaking rules and regulations of the
>administrators and govt?
>Have you ever investigated how many innocent tripuris
>were tortured and arrested after 1980 riots?
>Whenever we go to study in agartala,we are first of
>called "Paira"(one who lives in hilly area) which is
>,much more hatred than the whites towards the
>black...I even faced hundreds of harrassment by such
>people whenever I approached any office in
>tripura....Are you ever concerned about it.
>How many area in non bengali living place you can show
>a proper drinking water supply?In fact tripura is not
>bigger than one district of other state of the
>country...why is not possible to do when the questions
>come for non bengali?
>
>Pennstate
>USA
>
>
>   Posted by:   Michael Deb Barma  Date:   27-12-2002
>Time:   11:47:27
>Hi All,
>Nice to see so many comments coming out on this. I am
>no media expert to comment on much on Tripura media.
>But as an ordinary Tripuri whenever I go home, I see
>the local bengali newspapers all full of communal
>news, comments and columns. Newspapers seem to behave
>as if they are read by the Bengalis ONLY and hence
>they are almost anti-Tripuri. They seem to be playing
>Divide-and-Rule policy among the different Tripuri
>clans-inciting Jamatias against Deb Barmas(latest
>craze among newspapers being full of praises for the
>Jamatia Hoda organization), reminding Reangs about Deb
>Barma Kings´ "atrocities" on them etc. etc., besides,
>of course, inciting the Bengalis ,
>directly/indirectly, against the Tripuris. This kind
>of media behavior is definitely in consonant with the
>main national media-both English and regional
>languages. The media in Tripura must understand that
>Tripuris are no more to be played by, the way they
>used to be treated 20 years back. Tripuris today are
>as much outside world oriented as Bengalis are. They
>are everywhere in this world-as software engineers, as
>students, as doctors, they live everywhere. And hence
>media must play critical rule to foster communal
>harmony and the concept of living together peacefully
>among communities. As everybody says, Tripuris and
>Bengalis must live together for economic development
>of this state and hence, the media must play important
>role in this direction. Hope when I go home next time,
>I see some improvement in the quality of Tripura media
>content.
>Rgds Michael Deb Barma
>Perth, Australia
>   Posted by:   Augustus  Date:   27-12-2002 Time:
>01:59:27
>Mr Debbarma should be ashamed of himself.Can he define
>the term Tripuri?Are not Bengalis a part of
>Tripura?What does he think?Though he is right in
>saying that infiltration is a problem,why should he
>point out at Non Muslim Bengalis?
>   Posted by:   S.debbarma  Date:   26-12-2002 Time:
>23:20:43
>MEDIA in tripura?
>Whats that?Dainik sambad or tripura darpan?
>Damn,they are all the speakers communalism and no
>different from modi and togadia.Is media ever
>concerned about the infiltration of the nonmuslim
>bengalis from bangladesh are the main reason for
>terrorism and poverty in tripura?
>I may be too communal if I say so.But don´t the non
>tripuris feel the same?
>   Posted by:   R.Ghosh  Date:   25-12-2002 Time:
>03:12:05
>The media in Tripura has largely failed to live upto
>its task.It has grossly ignored the smalller
>towns(especially North Tripura) and focussed mostly on
>Agartala.As a result of this callousness on the part
>of the media,corruption and social crimes are on the
>rise.Infiltration across the border is another
>menace.All these could have been countered more
>effectively,had the media been a little more alert.
>   Posted by:   NRC  Date:   23-12-2002 Time:
>11:42:50
>MEDIA RELATION
>M- MEDIUM
>E-ECHONOMICAL
>D-DIMENSIONS
>I-IDEA GENERATIONS
>A-AVENGERS
>According to me this should be the full form of
>media.But if we count how much of the defination is
>full filled i dont know.sitting from far away distance
>and giving lectures is not the duty of media.every
>body is well aware about the role played by the media
>no body has a question about it.Nothing will be gained
>by blaming the media cause MEDIA will potray what is
>happening.
>In a small State like tripura where there is no hope
>and that is the bitter truth media is playing a big
>role.The only daily which is gaining is DAINIK SAMVAD
>rest all the news papers a trying hard to compit.
>where Ndtv has been discusssed i hardly find any news
>about tripura rather much about tripura is covered in
>E-TV. And one thing N.D.TV COVERS WHERE THERE IS NEWS
>THERE no chance of something which is not in the
>news.for instance both kashmir and tripura has
>insurgency problem every one knows why and for what
>kashmir is much talked about.
>we all have to accept that tripura is economically
>,geographically back ward but literacy rate is quite
>high, so we should not discourage who wants to pursue,
>where ever he gets chance.Today in tripura people in
>the politics are the person who is econimically stable
>how and why every body know,
>Now why media is not into that because handling media
>is a dirty bussiness and falling with the politician
>is dirtier.
>personally being a P.R.O(PURSUING)I HAVE TO HANDLE
>media relations.trus the they will hbardly let you
>down.
>But according to my opinion staying 4years away from
>home,while writing iam still in delhi,whenever i come
>home i feel condition in tripura is detroiting ,coming
>home is really a pleasure i want to do some thing i
>want to start some thing in tripura but whenever i go
>home i feel there is nothing to start with.
>why this is so no one knows.
>   Posted by:   Haimanti Chakraborty  Date:
>16-12-2002 Time:   01:11:02
>India Media today is very big and very important,media
>in Tripura can change the face of this state
>but,unfortunately I don´t think we have that kind of
>journalist´s who really really want to do
>something.Somewhere or the other even the younger
>generation is also giving up in contributing.I am not
>saying that because it is easy to say but I am also in
>the same profession.Of course there is the "brain
>drain"most of the people from agartala are in US
>everybody wants to get out of the state.
>We have our own set of problems but there should be
>some force to pull that up which is no where
>visible.Media in Tripura can take a step forward and
>do a great job. We can see today how NDTV is working
>and learn from them.NDTV is´No Foreigner´,very much
>Indian.Today, a lot depends upon the media.
>   Posted by:     Date:   15-12-2002 Time:   17:59:24
>I think dainik sambad is doing a great job in tripura.
>they are playing a big role in the society but
>sometimes they too twist the stories . people of
>tripura have a lot of faith on this newspapaer so i
>wish they will do justice with the facts and call
>spade a spade
>   Posted by:   R.D. BARMAN  Date:   15-12-2002 Time:
>03:53:27
>SIR, MY MESSAGE IS THAT THE DUTY OF THE PRESS R TO
>PLAY A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE BUT
>WHAT I SEE IN TRIPURA, IT IS VERY DIFFERENT.
>THEY R VERY COMMUNAL N DON´T MIND THEY ALWAYS TWIST
>THE TRUE STORY.OFTEN TRUE INCIDENTS GO UN REPORTED.
>   Posted by:   Subham  Date:   04-12-2002 Time:
>00:30:51
>Through this media I want to help the people who
>always feel the need for financial security, fullfill
>their families dream.. If you want so feel free to
>contact me at subha_ch_in at yahoo.com ... I have changed
>my life I can change yours too...if u want..
>
>
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