[Reader-list] WHO WILL PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF INDIAN MUSLIMWOMEN??

[roger das]

So Mrs. V Jogi  you are overjoyed to be a RSS....or a closed mind so called hindu who neither understand her own religion nor wants to learn others......just be in tehir own make believe world that all except them are wrong. traitors, indiscipline, uneducated, etc, etc. But let me give more info about myself  I am a christain and a student of comparative religion study..and in the  course of my study I find Islam as a modern religion which teaches humanity in turest form. 
Yes there should be stoned to death to rapist according to shariah..and remember after delhi medical student rape your leader Advani, then home minister, himself support the death sentence to the rapist.....Like u every other citizen of India is very much hindustani. What pakistan is doing not our concern we Indian people should not forget that every individual irrespective of any religion has played vital role in freedom movement as well as nation building. But people like you, closed mind, didnt accept this they only think that this place is for hindus only. For your info I must tel you that majority of hindus didnt want think like this..coz they know the history very well, not the distorted history.
 
So you say gujarat happen becoz of godhra but have ever thought why godhra happen and how the train caught fire, why the mob of karsevak misbehaved with the local people especially muslims....think over it......go through eye witness report....presented by NDTV n other news channel. godhra was just an excuse to carry on their experiment, quoted Modi, Joshi, Advani....etc."It is a laboratory" 
 

As far as babri masjid is concern I must say your knowledge in hsitory is very poor or you have grown up with distorted history taught in RSS school...first of all Baber built masjid on a vacant land there were no temple on that spot....if according to you he had such bend of mind to dismantled temple then why didnt he do more acts like this? there are many instances which shows the rerality but you dont want to accept it. If you dont want to take pride for invader's deeds then why you consider Taj Mahal as pride, Qutub minar, red fort....etc.....so many things are there even the buildings constructed by Britishers are serving as government offices, meusuems..etc....
 
I didnt talk about whole Indian Army..but there are few whose acts really discredit army's morale. Why you only talk about kashmir....dopnt you see news what hapen in north eastern states....girls are parading naked to demonstrate against the brutality of Army deployed there coz girls were repeatedly rape by some of these soldiers. In kashmir too the case is similar......How a top official create a video tape of fake encouter with the millitants just to get promotion and this unmasked by news channel through sting operation ....and who can forget the Tahelka tapes in which top army officials were involved in arms dealings..are they not traitors....how pakistani army capture the tiger point that led to kargil war.....where were those army at that time? so many questions are still unanswered and people like you always blame the minority.....Coz u have learnt to behave like this, just create communal hatered so that again your like minded people can carry the 'experiment' in India.
about the kashmiri pundit they are feared to go back when there is government which claims normalcy there. It is the governement decision to be out of Kashmir then they will be rehabilitate latter but still these pundits are not asking the government about their home in the valley. They should not depend on the governement and without any hesitation they should return to their respective home towns like a week or two earlier some pundit families return back and were got warm welcome by their muslims brothers and sisters.....
 
Pls dont spread the hate feeling among different communities who are very much part of India and dont listen to these self proclaimed hindu representatives.who only knows how to tear communal and secular fabric and do politics. I hope you can enlarge your knowledge boudaries by reading other books written by profound scholars so that you can make difference between communal force and the secular one......
 
roger   

Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:

thank you very much for this compliment though i am not a rss volunteer!

i find reflection of a typical muslim mind in your letter. very first thing, 
lets adopt shariah, now tell me will you & your secular brothers & sisters 
accept punishments like amputing hands & legs? only because you are in india 
you are allowed to talk any stupid thing against hindus & hindustan, will 
pakistan give this freedom to any non-muslim?

secondly, gujrat happened because godhra happened.because muslims can 
understand only this language used by gujrati brothers.

third thing, non of the countries on this earth has ever taken pride for 
invader's deeds, hindus did the best thing that they dismantled babri 
masjid. now they should take law in their hands & complete the remaining 
task of dismantling remaining masjids which were erected by dismantling 
hindu temples.

fourth point, indian army is facing lot of pressure in kashmir, they don't 
have time for looting or raping the kashimiris, people like you are traitors 
i must say, who are trying to demoralise our military.if you get some time 
please go to kashmir & see for yourself how many mandirs have been burnt, 
how many houses vacated by pandits have been looted,captured or even 
burnt....for your kind information i am a maharashtrian married to a 
kashmiri pandit who has become refugee in his own country because of muslims 
like you.

now tell me why shouldn't we throw you out of this country?
vedavati ravindra jogi




>From: roger das 
>To: Vedavati Jogi 
>CC: reader-list at sarai.net, readers-list at sarai.net, reader-lists at sarai.net
>Subject: Re: Re: [Reader-list] WHO WILL PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF INDIAN 
>MUSLIMWOMEN??
>Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 01:03:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I must say to this RSS volunteer that though he/she is hindu but know 
>nothing about their own religion and thus goes on maligning Islam bcoz they 
>afraid the way People from all over the world embracing Islam on their own 
>will. it is the fastest spreading religion even in land of zionist-USA, UK, 
>Europe....south asia etc. If you are talking about uniform civil code then 
>do a debate to adopt the best rule for all Indian and am damn sure that 
>after reading world class book only shariah will emerge as the supreme law 
>coz it is the law of GOD- the best for all human kind.
>The so called 'rule of the land' in India is most widely violated by these 
>so called 'Indians hindus' e.g. Babri Masjid demolition, Gujarat massacre, 
>raping and looting by Indian Army in kashmir, North eastern states, Mumbai 
>riot, fake encounter of muslims brothers, alineated them from mainstream by 
>not giving them jobs on ythe basis of religion, curbing their talent, 
>making false allegation all the time to establish a notion that they are 
>not patriotic, deleting history of their efforts in freedom fighting and 
>nation building....etc etc....so many instances I can give to these so 
>called patriotic Indian hindus.
>I hope this message will find palce in the posting list.....coz my last 
>nessages didnt put on the saem just bcoz it didnt suits sarai coordinator.
>
>accept the truth
>
>Vedavati Jogi wrote:
>i did not talk about 'dividing india'. i want to throw out those muslims
>who don't accept rule of the land.
>
> >From: "khadeeja arif"
> >Reply-To: khadeeja arif
> >To: reader-list at sarai.net
> >Subject: Re: Re: [Reader-list] WHO WILL PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF INDIAN
> >MUSLIMWOMEN??
> >Date: 27 Jul 2005 07:35:09 -0000
> >
> > Ms Inda
> >
> >"Well, why not to make an other partition where we can put all the Indian
> >Muslim, since they will probably not be accepted, neither, in Pakistan!"
> >
> >Is this statement very different from Vadevati's statement?? I am curious
> >to know!!
> >cheers
> >K
> >
> >
> >
> >On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 linda bouifrou wrote :
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >How life is funny,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I, a proud French Muslim women, just came back from lunch. During this
> >time of relaxation, I had a talk with my friends (Indians & French) about
> >our love for India. We spoke about Gandhi, Nehru as much as about Tagore 
>or
> >Roy. My first answer to explain and show my admiration about your country
> >was to demonstrate that such a multi-cultural/Ethnical/religious country
> >can still be united !
> > >
> > >How chocked I’ve been to read these exchanges of e-mails
 but still not
> >disappointed by India.
> > >
> > >Well, why not to make an other partition where we can put all the 
>Indian
> >Muslim, since they will probably not be accepted, neither, in Pakistan !
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Manish Tewani a écrit : HI, all Without reading the
> >entire e.mail, Vedavati has replied back giving an answer. It is calling
> >for abolishing of mechanisms, institutions and actions against Indian
> >Muslim Women. One should first cross-check and be aware of what an amount
> >of positive impact, organisations like Awaaz-e-Niswaan, WRAG are having 
>in
> >changing the society, at the grassroots level. After this, one has every
> >right to be critical of such efforts. I am not in a lecturer or
> >preacher's mode, but Jogi's response is quite an un-clear, demeaning and
> >rather un-civilised that Muslims should move to Islamic countries.
> >According to Jogi's ideas, all of us Hindus should move to Nepal (A Hindu
> >State). With regards, Manish
> > > On 7/22/05, Vedavati Jogi wrote: demonstrations
> >will not serve any purpose, muslims are not accepting common
> > >civil code under the pretext of 'secularism, pluralism' etc.etc. first
> >ask
> > >them to accept the law of the land or else pack them off to pakistan or
> >any
> > >arab country.
> > >
> > > >From: abshi at vsnl.com
> > > >To: reader-list at sarai.net
> > > >Subject: [Reader-list] WHO WILL PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF INDIAN MUSLIM
> >WOMEN??
> > > >Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:22:08 +0200
> > > >
> > > >INVITATION
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >July 21, 2005
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >INVITATION
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >July 21, 2005
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >?WHO WILL PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF INDIAN MUSLIM WOMEN??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Awaaz-e-Niswaan, Akshara, Forum Against Oppression of Women,
> > > >Hukook-e-Niswaan, Mahila Sanghatana, India Centre For Human Rights,
> >PUKAR
> > > >(Gender & Space project), Special Cell for Women and Children, 
>Women?s
> > > >Research and Action Group invite you support and attend a mass
> > > >demonstration being organized by women?s groups to express our
> >discontent
> > > >and anger with the rise in strength of extra-judicial forces like the
> > > >shariah jamaats, as has been evident in the recent Imrana case in
> > > >Muzaffarnagar in U.P, and the increase in the number of anti-women
> >fatwas
> > > >being issued by local panchayats and self-styled religious leaders.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >In most of these cases not only are the interests and rights of 
>Indian
> > > >Muslim women being trampled upon but there?s also a total disregard 
>for
> >the
> > > >rule of law.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >We, a collective of organizations supporting women?s rights, believe
> >that
> > > >we simply cannot have parallel judicial systems running in this
> >country. We
> > > >demand that the State play a more active role in protecting and
> >advancing
> > > >the rights of Indian Muslim women.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >The demonstration will be on Saturday, July 23, 2005. It will start 
>at
> >2.30
> > > >pm at Nagpada junction (near Sagar Hotel/Nagpada police station) and 
>go
> >via
> > > >the JJ Hospital junction down Mohammed Ali Road and end at Azad 
>Maidan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Thanking you
> > > >
> > > >Yours sincerely,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Awaaz-e-Niswaan, Akshara, Forum Against Oppression of Women,
> > > >Hukook-e-Niswaan, Mahila Sanghatana, India Centre For Human Rights,
> >PUKAR
> > > >(Gender & Space project), Special Cell for Women and Children, 
>Women?s
> > > >Research and Action Group
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >For further information, contact:
> > > >
> > > >* Awaaz-e-Niswaan: 9819106124 (Farhat and Smita)
> > > >
> > > >* Women?s Research & Action Group: 9833072690 (Noorjahan and Shabana)
> > > >
> > > >* Forum Against Oppression of Women: 9820833422 (Sandhya Gokhale)
> > > >
> > > >* India Centre for Human Rights & Law Network: 9820022614 (Chetna
> >Birje)
> > > >
> > > >* PUKAR Gender & Space Project: 9820290402 (Sameera Khan)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Awaaz-e-Niswaan, Akshara, Forum Against Oppression of Women,
> > > >Hukook-e-Niswaan, Mahila Sanghatana, India Centre For Human Rights,
> >PUKAR
> > > >(Gender & Space project), Special Cell for Women and Children, 
>Women?s
> > > >Research and Action Group invite you support and attend a mass
> > > >demonstration being organized by women?s groups to express our
> >discontent
> > > >and anger with the rise in strength of extra-judicial forces like the
> > > >shariah jamaats, as has been evident in the recent Imrana case in
> > > >Muzaffarnagar in U.P, and the increase in the number of anti-women
> >fatwas
> > > >being issued by local panchayats and self-styled religious leaders.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >In most of these cases not only are the interests and rights of 
>Indian
> > > >Muslim women being trampled upon but there?s also a total disregard 
>for
> >the
> > > >rule of law.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >We, a collective of organizations supporting women?s rights, believe
> >that
> > > >we simply cannot have parallel judicial systems running in this
> >country. We
> > > >demand that the State play a more active role in protecting and
> >advancing
> > > >the rights of Indian Muslim women.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >The demonstration will be on Saturday, July 23, 2005. It will start 
>at
> >2.30
> > > >pm at Nagpada junction (near Sagar Hotel/Nagpada police station) and 
>go
> >via
> > > >the JJ Hospital junction down Mohammed Ali Road and end at Azad 
>Maidan.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Thanking you
> > > >
> > > >Yours sincerely,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Awaaz-e-Niswaan, Akshara, Forum Against Oppression of Women,
> > > >Hukook-e-Niswaan, Mahila Sanghatana, India Centre For Human Rights,
> >PUKAR
> > > >(Gender & Space project), Special Cell for Women and Children, 
>Women?s
> > > >Research and Action Group
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >For further information, contact:
> > > >
> > > >* Awaaz-e-Niswaan: 9819106124 (Farhat and Smita)
> > > >
> > > >* Women?s Research & Action Group: 9833072690 (Noorjahan and Shabana)
> > > >
> > > >* Forum Against Oppression of Women: 9820833422 (Sandhya Gokhale)
> > > >
> > > >* India Centre for Human Rights & Law Network: 9820022614 (Chetna
> >Birje)
> > > >
> > > >* PUKAR Gender & Space Project: 9820290402 (Sameera Khan)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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