[Reader-list] Youth for Equality joins hands with ABVP

Wed Sep 6 19:02:26 IST 2006

That the leader represents members is known to everybody. The difference
between a Vedavati and a Yogesh depends on the scope of 'to represent': a
referential ambiguity.

As an aside, it is funny that Shivam claims ABVP members are stupid.
However, ABVP memebers don't believe that they are stupid. The onus is on
Shivam to show why (a) ABVP members are stupid and why (b) ABVP members
don't think they are stupid. One suck an adhoc explanation out of thumb, and
convince 'his' followers. However, convincing-his-followers is independent
of the adequacy, or the otherwise, of the explanation.

The best way is to reply to me, sucumbing to another adhoc explanation:
"hey, you are an ABVP supporter". This kind of remark is irrelevant to the
question being raised.

Best,
Reddy, V.

On 9/6/06, Yogesh Girdhar <machine at zerosofzeta.com> wrote:
>
> I dont think your arguments hold Vedavati. Here the "LEADER" of ABVP
> was booked for the murder. And I think be definition, whatever a
> leader does is representative of everybody following him/her.
> -Yogi
>
>
> On 9/6/06, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > if you hold all abvp members responsible for murdering a professor, if
> you
> > feel rss is responsible for assasination of gandhiji because nathuram
> > happened to be the member of rss,  then you must accept that whole
> muslim
> > community is responsible for the partition of our motherland.
> >
> > vedavati
> >
> >
> > >From: "Shivam Vij" < mail at shivamvij.com>
> > >To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>, "anoop kumar"
> > >< anoopkheri at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: [Reader-list] Youth for Equality joins hands with ABVP
> > >Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 01:40:46 +0530
> > >
> > >Aye Bee Vee Pee! The same guys who just murdered a professor in
> > >Ujjain. The same guys who grow up at about 45 years of age to join the
> > >BJP, after they've done enough of their akharay-baaji at RSS shakhas.
> > >Who learn the chemistry of hate in the laboratory of the university.
> > >
> > >Brilliant. Youth for Equality - whoever they are and whatever they
> > >stand for, for it's always unclear - have shown their true colours.
> > >Transperancy always helps.
> > >
> > >best
> > >s
> > >
> > >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >From: Youth for equality < youthforequality.du at gmail.com>
> > >Date: 04-Sep-2006 01:02
> > >Subject: YOUTH FOR EQUALITY EXTENDS ITS CONDITIONAL SUPPORT TO ABVP IN
> DUSU
> > >POLL
> > >
> > >
> > >Dear Friends
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Youth For Equality as you all know is not a political but social
> > >organization working on the ideologies of Mahatma Gandhi, Pt Nehru
> > >,Rajiv Gandhi and Dr B.R.Ambedkar who wanted reservations only for a
> > >short period of time and for a minority of seats .Our aim is to create
> > >Equality for all citizens of India while preserving merit. Hence we
> > >support affirmative Action and Reservation for Sc/Sts   and
> > >economically weaker  sections of all caste. We  support the criteria
> > >of hunger and deprivation where caste beyond SC /St is not a class in
> > >itself.
> > >
> > >We of course could not contest since the nominations were over and
> > >politics is not our concern. Yet in view of the challenge thrown to us
> > >we sent a questionnaire to all Political Parties contesting the DUSU
> > >election. NSUI declined to state that they are contesting the election
> > >on the main issue of reservation and asking for votes in name of
> > >Reservation. They seem to be scared of its repercussions. None of the
> > >other parties also responded to us. The only party, which responded to
> > >our query, was ABVP. They said;
> > >
> > >1)        We support caste-based reservations.
> > >2)        We support a nation wide survey and a white paper on
> reservation
> > >3)         We support affirmative action on basis of economic criteria.
>
> > >4)         Exclusion of creamy layer
> > >
> > >Of course our ideologies don't match. However:
> > >
> > >ABVP did become a part of the debate we started. And they have
> > >adequately supported our demand for a white paper, which will pave way
> > >for non-political review committee to know the actual ground reality
> > >and the truth.
> > >
> > >ABVP has also supported the exclusion of creamy layer
> > >
> > >ABVP has also supported affirmative action on basis of economic
> criteria.
> > >
> > >Based on these points we have decided to give conditional support to
> > >ABVP. We don't extend unconditional support to them neither agree with
> > >their ideology. But we issue just point-based support to them on these
> > >issues as among the choices we find their approach to be most
> > >reasonable. We however reiterate that we are fighting for an "ideal"
> > >and we are not concerned with the political result. WE might want ABVP
> > >to win and nothing more. Best of luck to ABVP. Again we retieriate
> > >that we don't agree on all issues and ideological points.
> > >
> > >Youth For Equality
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >FOR QUERIES PLEASE CONTACT ON ;
> > >
> > >9810404037, 9871844031
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >- --
> > >www.shivamvij.com
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