[Reader-list] Youth for Equality joins hands with ABVP
Shivam Vij
mail at shivamvij.com
Thu Sep 7 17:14:53 IST 2006
hey, when did I say ABVP members are stupid? I think they are quite
smart! Please read my mail again, and don't put words into my mouth.
That's all I wish to say.
On 9/6/06, vnr1995 <vnr1995 at gmail.com> wrote:
> That the leader represents members is known to everybody. The difference
> between a Vedavati and a Yogesh depends on the scope of 'to represent': a
> referential ambiguity.
>
> As an aside, it is funny that Shivam claims ABVP members are stupid.
> However, ABVP memebers don't believe that they are stupid. The onus is on
> Shivam to show why (a) ABVP members are stupid and why (b) ABVP members
> don't think they are stupid. One suck an adhoc explanation out of thumb, and
> convince 'his' followers. However, convincing-his-followers is independent
> of the adequacy, or the otherwise, of the explanation.
>
> The best way is to reply to me, sucumbing to another adhoc explanation:
> "hey, you are an ABVP supporter". This kind of remark is irrelevant to the
> question being raised.
>
> Best,
> Reddy, V.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/6/06, Yogesh Girdhar <machine at zerosofzeta.com > wrote:
> >
> I dont think your arguments hold Vedavati. Here the "LEADER" of ABVP
> was booked for the murder. And I think be definition, whatever a
> leader does is representative of everybody following him/her.
> -Yogi
>
>
> On 9/6/06, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > if you hold all abvp members responsible for murdering a professor, if you
> > feel rss is responsible for assasination of gandhiji because nathuram
> > happened to be the member of rss, then you must accept that whole muslim
> > community is responsible for the partition of our motherland.
> >
> > vedavati
> >
> >
> > >From: "Shivam Vij" < mail at shivamvij.com>
> > >To: "sarai list" < reader-list at sarai.net>, "anoop kumar"
> > >< anoopkheri at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: [Reader-list] Youth for Equality joins hands with ABVP
> > >Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 01:40:46 +0530
> > >
> > >Aye Bee Vee Pee! The same guys who just murdered a professor in
> > >Ujjain. The same guys who grow up at about 45 years of age to join the
> > >BJP, after they've done enough of their akharay-baaji at RSS shakhas.
> > >Who learn the chemistry of hate in the laboratory of the university.
> > >
> > >Brilliant. Youth for Equality - whoever they are and whatever they
> > >stand for, for it's always unclear - have shown their true colours.
> > >Transperancy always helps.
> > >
> > >best
> > >s
> > >
> > >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >From: Youth for equality < youthforequality.du at gmail.com>
> > >Date: 04-Sep-2006 01:02
> > >Subject: YOUTH FOR EQUALITY EXTENDS ITS CONDITIONAL SUPPORT TO ABVP IN
> DUSU
> > >POLL
> > >
> > >
> > >Dear Friends
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Youth For Equality as you all know is not a political but social
> > >organization working on the ideologies of Mahatma Gandhi, Pt Nehru
> > >,Rajiv Gandhi and Dr B.R.Ambedkar who wanted reservations only for a
> > >short period of time and for a minority of seats .Our aim is to create
> > >Equality for all citizens of India while preserving merit. Hence we
> > >support affirmative Action and Reservation for Sc/Sts and
> > >economically weaker sections of all caste. We support the criteria
> > >of hunger and deprivation where caste beyond SC /St is not a class in
> > >itself.
> > >
> > >We of course could not contest since the nominations were over and
> > >politics is not our concern. Yet in view of the challenge thrown to us
> > >we sent a questionnaire to all Political Parties contesting the DUSU
> > >election. NSUI declined to state that they are contesting the election
> > >on the main issue of reservation and asking for votes in name of
> > >Reservation. They seem to be scared of its repercussions. None of the
> > >other parties also responded to us. The only party, which responded to
> > >our query, was ABVP. They said;
> > >
> > >1) We support caste-based reservations.
> > >2) We support a nation wide survey and a white paper on
> reservation
> > >3) We support affirmative action on basis of economic criteria.
> > >4) Exclusion of creamy layer
> > >
> > >Of course our ideologies don't match. However:
> > >
> > >ABVP did become a part of the debate we started. And they have
> > >adequately supported our demand for a white paper, which will pave way
> > >for non-political review committee to know the actual ground reality
> > >and the truth.
> > >
> > >ABVP has also supported the exclusion of creamy layer
> > >
> > >ABVP has also supported affirmative action on basis of economic criteria.
> > >
> > >Based on these points we have decided to give conditional support to
> > >ABVP. We don't extend unconditional support to them neither agree with
> > >their ideology. But we issue just point-based support to them on these
> > >issues as among the choices we find their approach to be most
> > >reasonable. We however reiterate that we are fighting for an "ideal"
> > >and we are not concerned with the political result. WE might want ABVP
> > >to win and nothing more. Best of luck to ABVP. Again we retieriate
> > >that we don't agree on all issues and ideological points.
> > >
> > >Youth For Equality
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >FOR QUERIES PLEASE CONTACT ON ;
> > >
> > >9810404037, 9871844031
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >- --
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