[Reader-list] Use Jihadis to resolve Kashmir issue & Jihad against USA, says Pak Govt., officia

[rashneek kher]

Yasir,

Wonder how do you know I wont agree that Musharraf is a liberal..I know he
is a liberal,extreme liberal,so liberal that he did not even agree to taking
back his own men who were killed in Kargil fiasco..which the brave general
launched..but serendepity has its own virtues.At that time he had called
them indigeneous Kashmiri fighters while it was proved beyond doubt that
they were Pak regulars.
I agree as a president he has been better than most previous rulers of
Pak,but that he could/ever wanted to control Jehadis(especially the ones
fighting in Kashmir or for Kashmir) is something beyond doubt.Being a
Kashmiri myself I do read a couple of Pak dailies,and have a few friends
across.I know there are far too many lobbies and groups in Pakistan on the
J-issue alone,though I may not be as informed as you.
The liberal lobby is small but extremely well informed far better than most
pseudos we have here but alas who cares for Ayazs and Irfans.

By the way great rhetoricians of past came from Kashmir ,there name callers
came from where...i wouldnt know...

R
On 8/10/07, yasir ~ <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rashneek
>
> I'm not sure how to reply to you, since you are using the usual
> rhetoric to answer an analysed observation i made. I am not even sure
> you understood what I wrote with the hammerhead reply.
>
> Yes there may be a difference of perspectives. While I may incline
> towards a number of them, in my mail the theoretical underpinning as
> that within the Pakistan, US and Indian governments there are
> competing ideas, lobbies, policies regimes - take your pick of concept
> - it will suffice. If we accept this much than my email will seem more
> digestable. The consequence is that we take Pakistan and the Pakistani
> government and the Pakistani Armed forces ( or the US or the Indian
> for the sake of concept) as 'simply' a monolithic entity which is also
> at the same time an astounding threat - but rather organizations of
> people which have differing and multiple agendas. That is, if there is
> a jihadi and confrontatinal lobby within, there is an equally and more
> dominant at the moment liberal/left/dovish/other lobby-alliance which
> is waging its ideological war against the jihadi (under threat) idea.
>
> You may not agree but Musharraf is liberal in his general outlook. he
> may be authoritarian and may switch to hard rhetoric and actions which
> are jihadi  and/ or nationalist in tone. An overview of past
> editorials will confirm this, if you are in doubt. On the ground the
> general opening up of cultural activities and media (however
> contested) is a better argument.
>
> The J-lobby however, which has recently been in the backroom, has been
> pushing and shoving throughout. My email, so Rashneek, pointed out
> that Musharraf beset to some extent by internal opposition (Supreme
> Court, Taliban-Waziristan, etc), while taking pressure to perform (re
> Taliban) from the US, with recent statements about US forces landing
> in Pakistan, pulled off an effective policy-perceptions exercise, by
> not going to the Kabul Jirga, issuing statements of islamic-national
> solidarity ( re Major Tanvir - the subject of the e-mail ), talking
> about declaring an Emergency in the country ( as the J-lobby would
> like in addition to taking a confrontational stance to the US) which
> would have been a desperate attempt to curb political opposition as
> well as from the Supreme Court, having Choudhary Shujaat take the
> blame for suggesting the emergency (thereby satisfying his right wing
> support) and later negating it - having come back full circle.
>
> No India oe Kashmir does not figure in this very much.
> I dont know about the land of genies or paris but no, my words do not
> betray me.
>
> best
>
> y
>
>
>
>
> On 8/9/07, rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yasir,
> >
> > No matter what you tried to write about this post..your words seemed to
> be
> > simply betraying you somehow.Let us defend the indefensible....right...
> > This just shows how our "indigeneous terrorists " sorry freedom fighters
> are
> > but mere killing machines/pawns in hands of a bigger genie.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Rashneek
> >
> >
> > On 8/9/07, yasir ~ <yasir.media at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > imho this was a PR exercise to engage the hawks on all sides within
> > > the ranks and parliament, those wanting rapproachment with the
> > > Taliban, lobbies in the US, but not so much those in India. The
> > > exercise involved announcing that emergency was being discussed, then
> > > obfuscated statements by senior politicians that indeed yes or no, and
> > > finally a no, no emergency will be declared after due deliberations.
> > > but agreed it was a rush alright.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/9/07, rashneek kher <rashneek at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > What else does one expect out of Pakistan.Whoever said Kashmiri
> Freedom
> > > > struggle was indigeneous and started the Jashn may eat his words
> > please........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/8/07, Kshmendra Kaul <kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Use Jihadis to resolve Kashmir issue & Jihad against USA, says
> > Pakistan
> > > > > Govt., official
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