[Reader-list] gujrat election

Tue Dec 25 14:43:13 IST 2007

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On Dec 25, 2007 3:01 PM, Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh by the way Vedavati, you must tell me why you consider Shah Rukh Khan to
> be a 'Muslim'. Just because he is 'Khan'? I have not heard Shah Rukh raise
> his voice against any atrocities against Hindus or Muslims. And besides,
> what kind of an image does he portray in his characterization in films?
> Surely not 'Muslim' but an 'urban' boy, slightly 'Hindu' with some temple
> going scenes. I am sure that 'Muslim' 'audiences' enjoy this
> characterization just as much as 'Hindus' 'Christians' and amoeba do.
>
>
> On Dec 25, 2007 2:22 PM, we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Wow!!!
> >            That's Vedavati.    Certainly true voice about invasion, about
> Indian History and partition.  At least One person who talked openly on
> these topics.   Let me tell you that Muslims in India are more powerful than
> anybody in the world.  They can do whatever they wish, they expect that no
> body can do anything.  They can beat doctors,poets, they can ruin culture,
> they can do blasts in public places, they can do businesses, they can become
> leaders to electorate.
> >
> >
> > From one side Islamic ransacking(with all tactics like building masjids on
> the debris of temples and using CASTE tab of Hindutva), other side christian
> ransacking(like building churches and graceful conversions in the name of
> performing weakly prayers), Atheists ransacking of culture(like Karunanidhi
> QUESTIONING THE EXISTENCE OF RAM, SO THAT ENCOURAGING EVERYBODY TO LIVE
> PRETTY OPENLY) What is left in India now ? No body listening to anybody
> about anything.
> >
> >
> > The question is If people opted for India even after partition then what
> is the need for PAKISTAN(a separate country for Muslims on the basis of 2
> nation theory) ,later nusense and requests for apologies for the whatever
> history from their ancestors, starting from BABAR TO AURANGZEB and later
> zinnah to MIM leaders attack on junior doctors at HYDERABAD recently.
> >
> >
> > Is there a single place left in India that a Muslim family live in India
> (before and after partition)?
> >
> > Is there a single place and area left that they try to DOMINATE in their
> own style and way(all aggressive attacks and damage initially and then
> request for pardons etc)??
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dhatri.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > my dear zainab,
> >
> > nobody has detained you here. if you don't find india a good place to live
> in you can anytime migrate to pakistan.
> >
> > muslims know how to complain, muslims know their rights well but they
> never understand their responsibilities.they never understand their own
> mistakes.
> >
> > (1)who had started 1992-93 riots? who first burnt karsevaks at godhra
> station?
> > even after partitioning this country on religious basis muslims were
> allowed to stay in india, given equal rights rather more rights- was is not
> a magnonimity shown by hindus?
> >
> > id you reciprocate?
> > did you allow your hindu brothers to build ram temple at the place where
> babri structure once stood?
> >
> > if you too are the sons of this soil, why do you have to look upon babar
> and not ram as your ancestor? babar was an invader. and i don't think any
> country on this earth has ever taken pride for invader's deeds.
> > (2)you know it very well that madarasa educated child cannot compete with
> other children who are trained in secular schools. moreover nobody has
> stopped muslims from sending their wards to govt. run schools.still you send
> your chidren to madarasa and then complain that they don't get jobs anywhere
> because they are muslims,.... hence 'sacchar'.... hence demand for
> reservations..!
> >
> > (3)if muslim women are the poorest of the poor then that is because of
> your own personal laws. why don't you accept uniform civil code?
> >
> > (4)there are many towering personalities in various fields in india who
> are muslims and are very much loved by hindus. they never faced any
> descrimination just because they are muslims, then why this 'false
> propaganda' which separates you from main stream? think over it if possible.
> >
> > (5)you have rightly pointed out that no action has been taken against
> those hindus who participated in 92-93 riots, and i am sure in future also
> nobody even sonia becomes pm, will dare to take action against hindu
> culprits because these politician do everything to garner votes. why muslim
> appeasement? not for the betterment of muslims but for the sake of votes.
> now hindu votebank has been created in gujrat so nobody will dare to take
> action against 2002 culprits. this is politics!
> >
> > try to understand this. don't trust these politicians & seculars, instead
> trust your hindu brothers who are truely secualr if not provoked, join hands
> with them, join the mainstream for nation building.
> >
> > if you want muslim sentiments to be taken care of then try to care for
> hindu sentiments too.
> >
> > vedavati
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:45:46 +0530From: bawazainab79 at gmail.comTo:
> vrjogi at hotmail.comSubject: Re: FW: [Reader-list] gujrat electionCC:
> chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com; reader-list at sarai.netMy dear Vedavati,
> >
> > When you say "modi does not 'reserve' seats instead he talks about '5
> crore gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate
> soharabuddin & common muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take stern
> action against the former because he knows that will not hurt muslim
> sentiments anyway." I don't think there are any sentiments left after brutal
> rape, violence and torture. When the soul is killed and when you have to
> live in duress under a 'secular rule' where each day you are reminded that
> you 'are Muslim' (irrespective of whether that is your primary identity or
> not), you think there can be any sentiment or voice left? What do you have
> to say to the fact that all 'Muslims' who participated in the 1992-93 riots
> in Bombay were punished by the judiciary but no action was taken against the
> 'Hindus' who committed violences because Maharashtra government under amoeba
> Deshmukh felt that doing so will result in mass violence? I am sure this is
> a very peaceful and secular state to be in,one where even when there are no
> sentiments, they are assumed to be aligned.
> > In peace,
> > Zainab (gujju ben)
> >
> > On Dec 24, 2007 11:32 AM, Vedavati Jogi wrote:
> >
> > dear zainab, 'india is a secular country and will remain a secular country
> only because of majority community (that is hindus)'. otherwise 99% muslims
> who had voted for pakistan in 1947 would not have dared to stay in india
> after partition. they chose to stay back because their daily bread & butter
> was here not because they were supporting 'secularism'. congress too
> followed british policy of divide & rule after 1947. they gave reservations
> to bc, obcs, by reserving few thousands of seats they fooled crores of bcs &
> obcs and divided hindus. there are many towering personalities from muslim
> community in india like dr. kalam, bismilla khan, zakir hussain, shahruhk,
> amir khan, irfan pathan, amjad ali and many more... all of them come from
> ordinary background and are very very popular among hindus. still congress &
> left parties talked about descrimination, indirectly gave the slogan of
> 'islam khatareme hai' , showed carrot of 'suchhar' to muslims to keep their
> muslim vote bank intact. they can't hang afzal guru because that might hurt
> muslim sentiments. modi does not 'reserve' seats instead he talks about '5
> crore gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate
> soharabuddin & common muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take stern
> action against the former because he knows that will not hurt muslim
> sentiments anyway. this secularism practised by congress & likes has always
> been at the expense of hindus. terrorists are attacking temples & trains
> still -congress is talking about 'liberalism', they create hue & cry when
> person like soharabuddin is killed. they have talked a lot about 'gujrat'
> killings what about 'kashmiri pundits'? gujjubhais have proved that
> hereafter hindus cannot be taken for granted.that is why it is their
> victory! vedavati
> >
> >
> > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:04:12 -0800From: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat electionTo: bawazainab79 at gmail.comCC:
> vrjogi at hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > You need to understand a simple thing - it is Hindus who are facing the
> problem of communalism on their own motherland..
> > Narendra Modi is a strong Hindu supporter... And when I say Hindu, it is
> to be understand that the world Humanity is already enveloped in it..
> > So, when Narendra Modi has won it is Hindus who have won.. in other words,
> it is humanity that has won..
> >
> > Muslims has yet to prove their nationalist approach..Muslims gather in big
> mass when there is anything related to their religion...
> > But there is not a single movement by Muslims when Hindus get killed in
> Terrorist attacks...
> > Muslims shout like anything for 2002 riot... But none has ever said a word
> about Nandigram, Kashmir or Achalpur (Oct 2007 riot)...
> > Whenever Muslims will come on Road to declare that Terrorist are Muslims
> but not Quranic followers, whenver Muslims would do some roadshow to make
> the world realize that Terrorist and Muslim are two different set of
> people.. Whenever Muslim would oppose what is written on irf.net that all
> Muslims are terrorists and they should be proud of it.. Whenever Muslims
> will understand that crime is to be dealt with law and not religion.... THEN
> Narendra Modi's win would be all people's win...
> >
> > Don't you think that India is secular because it yet contains majority of
> Hindus... can you say Kashmir is secular.. we will soon know West Bengal
> becoming another Kashmir..
> > Why is that wherever Muslims exists (and if there is no strict law to
> handle them)..there is killing, hatred and voilence...
> >
> > Muslims have to rethink on their learnings of Quran... Declaring Quran as
> words of God and then putting killing into action in the name of same God is
> not justifiable.. For hundreds of years this is what is happening through
> our Muslims brothers... It is they who have intruded in the nation of
> Hindus, Hindus have not gone into Arabia to indulge into what they used to
> do there.... Yet, Hindus call them brothers... The day Muslim will start
> calling Hindus as brothers... the day Muslims would start respecting the
> mother (cow) of their brothers.. the Muslim would join the festivals of
> their brothers... the secularism would meet its meaning....
> >
> > Muslims have to realize that 2002 riot would not have taken place, had
> Godhra would not have taken place...
> > Muslims have to realize that Vande Matram and Jai Hind is what is expected
> from their month....
> >
> > I hope I am clear on why Hindus believe Narendra Modi's win is Hindus
> win...
> >
> > Jai Hind,
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----From: Zainab Bawa To: TaraPrakash Cc:
> reader-list at sarai.net; Vedavati Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com>Sent: Monday,
> December 24, 2007 8:34:38 AMSubject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat electionHi
> Vedavati,Thanks for the forceful clarification. I am still a bit unclearas
> to why Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus? as for formation of Hindu
> votebanks, there are several of them across the country and as you
> yourselfhave accepted that just as all Gujjus are not Hindus, so also all
> Hindus arenot Hindus.I really apologize for my dimwitedness and my inability
> to understand your claim that Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus. Are
> you suggesting thatModi's victory is now a step ahead in the formation of
> 'Hindustan'?Again, apologies for nagging you.Cheers,Zainab (confused gujju
> ben) On Dec 24, 2007 1:30 AM, TaraPrakash wrote:> Isn't it rather a defeat
> of Hindu forces? Ask Praveen Togadia. Ask the > RSS members discontented
> with Modi. Ask the guy giving Modi "Brahmin ka> shaap" for getting his son
> murdered. Will another Hindu terrorist Advani> be> happy with the results?
> Is Uma Bharati pseudo secular or pseudo communal > for> floating her own
> party against BJP?> The fight in Gujarat was a fight between Hindus and
> Hindus if Hindus have> won, Hindus have> lost too. So your victory gets
> canceled. Evil wins and evil loses. > May be you will be more careful before
> putting your foot in to your mouth> next time.>> ----- Original Message
> -----> From: "Vedavati Jogi" < vrjogi at hotmail.com>> To: ; > Sent: Sunday,
> December 23, 2007 12:20 AM > Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat election>>> >> >>
> >> >> > whether it is a victory for bjp or for modi....its a useless
> question.> > its a victory for hindus. and i hope it will be an eye opener
> for psudo > > seculars!> >> > you can't always divide hindus & rule. thank
> you gujjubhais for showing> > the world that when hindus unite, hindu vote
> bank too can be formed!> > > > vedavati> >> >> >
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