[Reader-list] gujrat election

Tue Dec 25 12:03:48 IST 2007

Dear Chanchal,I am still not certain if Narendra's Modi's win is Hindu's
victory. I know at least two 'Hindus', both residing in my house, who
believe that Modi's victory is not their victory. In fact, they fear that
with Modi's win, there may be more repression and violence in Gujarat and in
other parts of India, in the name of 'terrorism' whether it is Muslim terror
or Hindu terror or Christian terror. On the other hand, I am sure there is a
segment of the Muslim population that is extremely happy with Modi's victory
either because it furthers their corporate interests and/or because they are
Modi supporters, going to RSS camps. You can call these Muslims nationalists
(which I am sure they don't give two hoots about) or secularists or true
Hindustanis.
Arguments against how Muslims don't raise their voice when there is
Nandigram or some such thing is as banal as Vedavati's (and others') angst
against 'pseudo-secularists'. Also this rant (if I may call it so) about the
displacement of Kashmiri pandits and their refugee status is unconvincing
when those 'Muslims' (if you may please) who are still living in Kashmir are
refugees from the state and its violence, the recent case being that of
taking away lands from rural Kashmiris to build some power plant, thereby
displacing them of their livelihoods and whatever little they can hold on to
for their lives. How many 'Muslims' (again if you may please), living in
'India' have raised their voices against the state atrocities and violence
committed against 'Kashmiri Muslims' (again and again if you may please)
forget about saying anything in sympathy for the 'Pandits'? If you ask my
Gujjubhai father about who he hates most, it is not the Hindus who burnt his
factory in the 1993 riots, but his hatred is directed towards Bohra Muslims,
Bangladeshi Muslims and the Punjabi Muslims of Pakistan. He couldn't care
about the situation in Kashmir as long as some state violence in Kashmir
does not affect him to the extent of bringing one more mob to burn down his
house or his children, yet again.
Making statements in anger, at random, is extremely easy for all of us,
whether we are pseudo-secularists, anti-secularists, pro-secularists,
techno-secularists, no-secularists, or amoeba. I am sure we are all angry
with the violences committed against us, at some point or another, but true
courage, perseverance, patience and forgiveness lies in looking inwards, to
our own prejudices and to our own hatreds, because after all, the hatred and
violence in this world comes from our own insides.
Yours truly,
(diadactic Gujju ben)

On Dec 24, 2007 9:34 AM, chanchal malviya < chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> You need to understand a simple thing - it is Hindus who are facing the
> problem of communalism on their own motherland..
> Narendra Modi is a strong Hindu supporter... And when I say Hindu, it is
> to be understand that the world Humanity is already enveloped in it..
> So, when Narendra Modi has won it is Hindus who have won.. in other words,
> it is humanity that has won..
>
> Muslims has yet to prove their nationalist approach..Muslims gather in big
> mass when there is anything related to their religion...
> But there is not a single movement by Muslims when Hindus get killed in
> Terrorist attacks...
> Muslims shout like anything for 2002 riot... But none has ever said a word
> about Nandigram, Kashmir or Achalpur (Oct 2007 riot)...
>
> Whenever Muslims will come on Road to declare that Terrorist are Muslims
> but not Quranic followers, whenver Muslims would do some roadshow to make
> the world realize that Terrorist and Muslim are two different set of
> people.. Whenever Muslim would oppose what is written on irf.net that all
> Muslims are terrorists and they should be proud of it.. Whenever Muslims
> will understand that crime is to be dealt with law and not religion.... THEN
> Narendra Modi's win would be all people's win...
>
> Don't you think that India is secular because it yet contains majority of
> Hindus... can you say Kashmir is secular.. we will soon know West Bengal
> becoming another Kashmir..
> Why is that wherever Muslims exists (and if there is no strict law to
> handle them)..there is killing, hatred and voilence...
>
> Muslims have to rethink on their learnings of Quran... Declaring Quran as
> words of God and then putting killing into action in the name of same God is
> not justifiable.. For hundreds of years this is what is happening through
> our Muslims brothers... It is they who have intruded in the nation of
> Hindus, Hindus have not gone into Arabia to indulge into what they used to
> do there....  Yet, Hindus call them brothers...  The day Muslim will start
> calling Hindus as brothers... the day Muslims would start respecting the
> mother (cow) of their brothers.. the Muslim would join the festivals of
> their brothers...  the secularism would meet its meaning....
>
> Muslims have to realize that 2002 riot would not have taken place, had
> Godhra would not have taken place...
> Muslims have to realize that Vande Matram and Jai Hind is what is expected
> from their month....
>
> I hope I am clear on why Hindus believe Narendra Modi's win is Hindus
> win...
>
> Jai Hind,
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com >
> To: TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>
> Cc: reader-list at sarai.net; Vedavati Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 8:34:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election
>
> Hi Vedavati,Thanks for the forceful clarification. I am still a bit
> unclear
> as to why Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus? as for formation of
> Hindu
> votebanks, there are several of them across the country and as you
> yourself
> have accepted that just as all Gujjus are not Hindus, so also all Hindus
> are
> not Hindus.
> I really apologize for my dimwitedness and my inability to understand your
> claim that Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus. Are you suggesting that
> Modi's victory is now a step ahead in the formation of 'Hindustan'?
> Again, apologies for nagging you.
> Cheers,
> Zainab (confused gujju ben)
>
> On Dec 24, 2007 1:30 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Isn't it rather a defeat of Hindu forces? Ask Praveen Togadia. Ask the
> > RSS members discontented with Modi. Ask the guy giving Modi "Brahmin ka
> > shaap" for getting his son murdered. Will another Hindu terrorist Advani
> > be
> > happy with the results? Is Uma Bharati pseudo secular or pseudo communal
>
> > for
> > floating her own party against BJP?
> > The fight in Gujarat was a fight between Hindus and Hindus if Hindus
> have
> > won, Hindus have
> > lost too. So your victory gets canceled. Evil wins and evil loses.
> > May be you will be more careful before putting your foot in to your
> mouth
> > next time.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vedavati Jogi" <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> > To: <reader-list at sarai.net>; < tapasrayx at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:20 AM
> > Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat election
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > whether it is a victory for bjp or for modi....its a  useless
> question.
> > > its a victory for hindus. and i hope it will be an eye opener for
> psudo
> > > seculars!
> > >
> > > you can't always divide hindus & rule. thank you gujjubhais for
> showing
> > > the world that when hindus unite, hindu vote bank too can be formed!
> > >
> > > vedavati
> > >
> > >
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