[Reader-list] gujrat election

Wed Dec 26 11:20:52 IST 2007

what is meant by 'your beloved' country?
don't you stay in this country?
is your 'secularism' more important than nationalism?
are muslims 'bigger' than  country?> From: taraprakash at gmail.com> To: vrjogi at hotmail.com; bawazainab79 at gmail.com; chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com; reader-list at sarai.net> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:29:25 -0500> > Why Pakistan? People have migrated to African countries, West Indese, > European countries, North American countries, South East Asian countries and > so many other nooks and corners of the world to get rid of your beloved > country. Are they all Muslims? If you yourself are not already abroad at the > moment, will not waste a second thought as soon as the opportunity comes > your way. So the majority of those who migrate, which religion they are? > Bharat mata ki jai.> On the other hand just consider the loving Hindus of Gujarat when they were > fighting with their hindu Maratha brothers, and slogan "Su che saru che> Joota le ke maru che" became infamous. Violence was the order of the day and > Muslims had no role to play in it. You must be another supporter of Shiv > Sena for their anti muslim rhetoric and for their pseudo patriotic > sentiments. How do you reconcile with their demand for non marathas to leave > Mumbai? Do they want only Muslims to go away?> Who will unite Hindus? Those who you think can do it are themselves divided > and after each other's blood just for the sake of the power. If I want to > join your camp who should I support Uma Bharati who brought BJP in to power > in MP with her hard core hindutva rhetoric and then left the party or Advani > who started rath yatra and polarized the voters, and had been dropping hints > that he should be the PM rather than ABV in unlikely event of BJP being > voted back to power? Has VHP fofrgiven Advani for calling Jinna secular? The > leadership of which RSS wing should I accept one who supports Modi? Vaghela? > Mehta? Maya Vati?> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vedavati Jogi" <vrjogi at hotmail.com>> To: <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>; <chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com>; > <reader-list at sarai.net>> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 1:42 AM> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat election> > > >> > my dear zainab,> >> > nobody has detained you here. if you don't find india a good place to live > > in you can anytime migrate to pakistan.> >> > muslims know how to complain, muslims know their rights well but they > > never understand their responsibilities.they never understand their own > > mistakes.> >> > (1)who had started 1992-93 riots? who first burnt karsevaks at godhra > > station?> > even after partitioning this country on religious basis muslims were > > allowed to stay in india, given equal rights rather more rights- was is > > not a magnonimity shown by hindus?> >> > id you reciprocate?> > did you allow your hindu brothers to build ram temple at the place where > > babri structure once stood?> >> > if you too are the sons of this soil, why do you have to look upon babar > > and not ram as your ancestor? babar was an invader. and i don't think any > > country on this earth has ever taken pride for invader's deeds.> > (2)you know it very well that madarasa educated child cannot compete with > > other children who are trained in secular schools. moreover nobody has > > stopped muslims from sending their wards to govt. run schools.still you > > send your chidren to madarasa and then complain that they don't get jobs > > anywhere because they are muslims,.... hence 'sacchar'.... hence demand > > for reservations..!> >> > (3)if muslim women are the poorest of the poor then that is because of > > your own personal laws. why don't you accept uniform civil code?> >> > (4)there are many towering personalities in various fields in india who > > are muslims and are very much loved by hindus. they never faced any > > descrimination just because they are muslims, then why this 'false > > propaganda' which separates you from main stream? think over it if > > possible.> >> > (5)you have rightly pointed out that no action has been taken against > > those hindus who participated in 92-93 riots, and i am sure in future also > > nobody even sonia becomes pm, will dare to take action against hindu > > culprits because these politician do everything to garner votes. why > > muslim appeasement? not for the betterment of muslims but for the sake of > > votes. now hindu votebank has been created in gujrat so nobody will dare > > to take action against 2002 culprits. this is politics!> >> > try to understand this. don't trust these politicians & seculars, instead > > trust your hindu brothers who are truely secualr if not provoked, join > > hands with them, join the mainstream for nation building.> >> > if you want muslim sentiments to be taken care of then try to care for > > hindu sentiments too.> >> > vedavati> >> >> >> >> > Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:45:46 +0530From: bawazainab79 at gmail.comTo: > > vrjogi at hotmail.comSubject: Re: FW: [Reader-list] gujrat electionCC: > > chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com; reader-list at sarai.netMy dear Vedavati,> > When you say "modi does not 'reserve' seats instead he talks about '5 > > crore gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate > > soharabuddin & common muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take stern > > action against the former because he knows that will not hurt muslim > > sentiments anyway." I don't think there are any sentiments left after > > brutal rape, violence and torture. When the soul is killed and when you > > have to live in duress under a 'secular rule' where each day you are > > reminded that you 'are Muslim' (irrespective of whether that is your > > primary identity or not), you think there can be any sentiment or voice > > left? What do you have to say to the fact that all 'Muslims' who > > participated in the 1992-93 riots in Bombay were punished by the judiciary > > but no action was taken against the 'Hindus' who committed violences > > because Maharashtra government under amoeba Deshmukh felt that doing so > > will result in mass violence? I am sure this is a very peaceful and > > secular state to be in,one where even when there are no sentiments, they > > are assumed to be aligned.> > In peace,> > Zainab (gujju ben)> > On Dec 24, 2007 11:32 AM, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > dear zainab, 'india is a secular country and will remain a secular country > > only because of majority community (that is hindus)'. otherwise 99% > > muslims who had voted for pakistan in 1947 would not have dared to stay > > in india after partition. they chose to stay back because their daily > > bread & butter was here not because they were supporting 'secularism'. > > congress too followed british policy of divide & rule after 1947. they > > gave reservations to bc, obcs, by reserving few thousands of seats they > > fooled crores of bcs & obcs and divided hindus. there are many towering > > personalities from muslim community in india like dr. kalam, bismilla > > khan, zakir hussain, shahruhk, amir khan, irfan pathan, amjad ali and many > > more... all of them come from ordinary background and are very very > > popular among hindus. still congress & left parties talked about > > descrimination, indirectly gave the slogan of 'islam khatareme hai' , > > showed carrot of 'suchhar' to muslims to keep their muslim vote bank > > intact. they can't hang afzal guru because that might hurt muslim > > sentiments. modi does not 'reserve' seats instead he talks about '5 > > crore gujratis (including bc/obcs/muslims)' . he does not equate > > soharabuddin & common muslims, hence he does not hesitate to take stern > > action against the former because he knows that will not hurt muslim > > sentiments anyway. this secularism practised by congress & likes has > > always been at the expense of hindus. terrorists are attacking temples & > > trains still -congress is talking about 'liberalism', they create hue & > > cry when person like soharabuddin is killed. they have talked a lot about > > 'gujrat' killings what about 'kashmiri pundits'? gujjubhais have proved > > that hereafter hindus cannot be taken for granted.that is why it is their > > victory! vedavati> >> >> > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:04:12 -0800From: chanchal_malviya at yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat electionTo: bawazainab79 at gmail.comCC: > > vrjogi at hotmail.com> >> >> >> >> > Hi,> >> > You need to understand a simple thing - it is Hindus who are facing the > > problem of communalism on their own motherland..> > Narendra Modi is a strong Hindu supporter... And when I say Hindu, it is > > to be understand that the world Humanity is already enveloped in it..> > So, when Narendra Modi has won it is Hindus who have won.. in other words, > > it is humanity that has won..> >> > Muslims has yet to prove their nationalist approach..Muslims gather in big > > mass when there is anything related to their religion...> > But there is not a single movement by Muslims when Hindus get killed in > > Terrorist attacks...> > Muslims shout like anything for 2002 riot... But none has ever said a word > > about Nandigram, Kashmir or Achalpur (Oct 2007 riot)...> > Whenever Muslims will come on Road to declare that Terrorist are Muslims > > but not Quranic followers, whenver Muslims would do some roadshow to make > > the world realize that Terrorist and Muslim are two different set of > > people.. Whenever Muslim would oppose what is written on irf.net that all > > Muslims are terrorists and they should be proud of it.. Whenever Muslims > > will understand that crime is to be dealt with law and not religion.... > > THEN Narendra Modi's win would be all people's win...> >> > Don't you think that India is secular because it yet contains majority of > > Hindus... can you say Kashmir is secular.. we will soon know West Bengal > > becoming another Kashmir..> > Why is that wherever Muslims exists (and if there is no strict law to > > handle them)..there is killing, hatred and voilence...> >> > Muslims have to rethink on their learnings of Quran... Declaring Quran as > > words of God and then putting killing into action in the name of same God > > is not justifiable.. For hundreds of years this is what is happening > > through our Muslims brothers... It is they who have intruded in the nation > > of Hindus, Hindus have not gone into Arabia to indulge into what they used > > to do there.... Yet, Hindus call them brothers... The day Muslim will > > start calling Hindus as brothers... the day Muslims would start respecting > > the mother (cow) of their brothers.. the Muslim would join the festivals > > of their brothers... the secularism would meet its meaning....> >> > Muslims have to realize that 2002 riot would not have taken place, had > > Godhra would not have taken place...> > Muslims have to realize that Vande Matram and Jai Hind is what is expected > > from their month....> >> > I hope I am clear on why Hindus believe Narendra Modi's win is Hindus > > win...> >> > Jai Hind,> >> > ----- Original Message ----From: Zainab Bawa <bawazainab79 at gmail.com>To: > > TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net; Vedavati > > Jogi < vrjogi at hotmail.com>Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 8:34:38 > > AMSubject: Re: [Reader-list] gujrat electionHi Vedavati,Thanks for the > > forceful clarification. I am still a bit unclearas to why Modi's victory > > is a victory for Hindus? as for formation of Hindu votebanks, there are > > several of them across the country and as you yourselfhave accepted that > > just as all Gujjus are not Hindus, so also all Hindus arenot Hindus.I > > really apologize for my dimwitedness and my inability to understand your > > claim that Modi's victory is a victory for Hindus. Are you suggesting > > thatModi's victory is now a step ahead in the formation of > > 'Hindustan'?Again, apologies for nagging you.Cheers,Zainab (confused gujju > > ben) On Dec 24, 2007 1:30 AM, TaraPrakash <taraprakash at gmail.com> wrote:> > > Isn't it rather a defeat of Hindu forces? Ask Praveen Togadia. Ask the > > > RSS members discontented with Modi. Ask the guy giving Modi "Brahmin ka> > > shaap" for getting his son murdered. Will another Hindu terrorist Advani> > > be> happy with the results? Is Uma Bharati pseudo secular or pseudo > > communal > for> floating her own party against BJP?> The fight in Gujarat > > was a fight between Hindus and Hindus if Hindus have> won, Hindus have> > > lost too. So your victory gets canceled. Evil wins and evil loses. > May > > be you will be more careful before putting your foot in to your mouth> > > next time.>> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Vedavati Jogi" < > > vrjogi at hotmail.com>> To: <reader-list at sarai.net>; <tapasrayx at gmail.com>> > > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 12:20 AM > Subject: [Reader-list] gujrat > > election>>> >> >> >> >> > whether it is a victory for bjp or for > > modi....its a useless question.> > its a victory for hindus. and i hope > > it will be an eye opener for psudo > > seculars!> >> > you can't always > > divide hindus & rule. thank you gujjubhais for showing> > the world that > > when hindus unite, hindu vote bank too can be formed!> > > > vedavati> >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________> > > > Tried the new MSN Messenger? It's cool! 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