[Reader-list] vedavati thought you would like "wrap the body of muslim terrorist with pig skin"

Tue Feb 27 13:39:46 IST 2007

Rahul,

I think (at the risk of mixing my metaphors) that you seem to be missing the
woods for the trees while jumping the gun.  While your willingness to engage
with whoever you want is entirely your own decision, vedavati's posts don't
seem to have much to engage with - they seem to be rather poorly wrought
attempts at provocation.  Your idea seems more an attempt to show her the
error of her ways - something that you are free to do.

What i would like to engage with is something that i have noticed in a huge
number of posts on this list - particularly on subjects such as this one -
the "pseudo-secularist", "hollow liberal", "supposed intellectual" label
that is bandied abt with much freedom.  The idea behind such labels seems to
be to prove to people that they arent really who they think they are - but
are infact imposters masquerading as "liberals", "secularists", or
"intellectuals".  Why?  Why the urge to a) affix a label onto the object of
ure ire- and b) to try and tear from them any ideas they might have of
themselves - it is indeed a disturbing practice.

Best
A.

On 2/27/07, Rahul Asthana <rahul_capri at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Shuddha,
> For whatever its worth, I dont agree to your divisive
> "us"  and "them" labelling and tactics of promoting
> exclusivity and discouraging dialogue;which is akin to
> what our politicians want so that they have their own
> constituenties of voters who vote on non issues
> Precisely for the   reason that I dont agree with
> Vedavati, I hope she continues posting here and time
> permitting I will try and have a dialogue with her,as
> I have in the past.And your bias is clearly visible
> when you somehow seem to understand Aviks post.
> I personally dont give a damn who said what to
> whom..(people have abused me in the past) but perhaps
> some of you who wear your liberalism and tolerance on
> your sleeve would realise how fake and hollow it is in
> the face of handling Vedavati's posts.
> Regards
> Rahul
> --- Shuddhabrata Sengupta <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Let me clarify at the very beginning that I find the
> > contents of the
> > exchange between Vedavati and Abhit (which we have
> > all been subjected to
> > because of Vedavati's forward, with comment, of
> > Abhik's off list email
> > to her) sad and deplorable. While Abhik's language
> > betrays an
> > unfortunate misogyny, Vedavati's postings and
> > responses are not exactly
> > exemplars of liberality and tolerance.
> >
> > This is not the first time that Vedavati Jogi has
> > posted material on
> > this list that many on this list will find
> > objectionable, just as there
> > are many others on this list who post material that
> > Vedavati, and
> > perhaps some others on this list might have found
> > objectionable. We have
> > had other instances such as this in the past with
> > others as well. The
> > history of a list such as this grows to accommodate
> > all manner of
> > eccentricities, and that is a sign of the health and
> > robustness of a
> > free and open electronic space. It is in the nature
> > of an unmoderated
> > (that is uncensored) list such as this, that some
> > people will use the
> > platform to post material that many of us will
> > consider reprehensible.
> > However, I would suggest that one way to respond to
> > such provocation is
> > also to not necessarily dignify every such
> > provocation with a response.
> >
> > Abhik Samanta has written in his private capacity to
> > Vedavati, and not
> > on the list. So his post (no matter how
> > objectionable and misogynist its
> > content may be, which I think it is, even though I
> > can understand his
> > outrage at Vedavati's clear act of hate speech) is
> > not technically a
> > breach of list etiquette.
> >
> > Vedavati's reply to Abhik which is addressed both to
> > Abhik and to the
> > list is however a clear case of someone dragging
> > what is essentially a
> > private exchange between two people on to the public
> > space of the list.
> > Doing so,without asking for the permission of the
> > concerned persons (and
> > there is no indication that she has asked Abhik) is
> > a clear breach of
> > list eitquette.
> >
> > As a list member, I would advise all other list
> > members (including
> > Vedavati, and Abhik) to try and refrain from blowing
> > this issue out of
> > proportion. I personally find the sentiments that
> > Vedavati is asking us
> > to consider (in the blog whose url she has
> > forwarded) pathetic.
> >
> > I personally think that the real power of
> > Hindutva-vadis lies in their
> > ability to hog public attention. Just ignore what is
> > said by
> > Hindutva-vaids , be amused, at best by the sad level
> > of the arguments
> > and the rhetoric that they put forward, and see how
> > powerful your
> > unwillingness to pay attention to their agenda can
> > be.
> >
> > I hope this puts an end to what might become an
> > otherwise unpleasant
> > distraction on this busy list.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Shuddha
> >
> >
> >
> > Vedavati Jogi wrote:
> > > this shows your level mr. abhik!
> > >
> > > when you people curse hindutv forces especially
> > rss & family, we should not
> > > react
> > > but when we talk about muslim terrorism you can't
> > tolerate moreover you use
> > > such a dirty language ...is it democracy? is it
> > secularism?is it liberalism?
> > >
> > > vedavati
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "Abhik Samanta" <abhikauliya at googlemail.com>
> > >>To: vedavati <vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> > >>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] vedavati thought you
> > would like "wrap the body
> > >>of muslim terrorist with pig skin"
> > >>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:01:43 +0530
> > >>
> > >>depraved and poor deprived girl   wats the use of
> > wasting time thinkin shit
> > >>dont u have anyone to fuck
> > >>
> > >>On 2/25/07, vedavati <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>vedavati wants you to check out "wrap the body of
> > muslim terrorist with
> > >>>pig skin", the latest post from "Scientific
> > Analysis".
> > >>>
> > >>>Scientific Analysis - Post:
> >
> >>>
> http://chritianitybreedspoverty.blogsource.com/post.mhtml?post_id=132180&hbx_camp=5
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