[Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol 48, Issue 23

S Fatima sadiafwahidi at yahoo.co.in
Mon Jul 23 21:01:42 IST 2007


While one finds Yogi's justifications for the veil
unacceptable, it would also be utterly insensitive and
prejudiced to call it a "criminal looking black burqua
where you do not know what is inside that". What is
the crime of a woman who has been conditioned by her
family to wear it whenever she goes out. To call all
burqa-clad woman Islamic fundamentalist is like saying
that all women with bindis on forehead are members of
RSS. Let's be a little more sensitive.

Having said that, I refuse to accept the definition of
DIGNITY given by Mr.Sikand, and I refuse to wear a
burqa to liberate myself.

(and what is MRSG any way)
 

--- MRSG <mrsg at vsnl.com> wrote:

> Tapas Ray and similar apologists for Islamic
> fundamentalists would like to trivialise the issue
> by bringing the issue of Hindu women covering the
> heads. Though that is not similar to wearing
> criminal looking black burqua where you do not know
> what is inside that, putting the cloth on the head
> by the hindu women  is equally bad. Secular Pratibha
> Patil does that, Communal Sushma Swaraj or
> Semi-communal Mamata Bannerjee do not. But how that
> comes into this discussion. No one supported that.
> Also the issue is not what Pratibha patil has said,
> the issue is how the the support for islamic
> fundamentalism is done through intellectual
> discourse and now also how it is suported by their
> apologists.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: ratnesh shukla 
>   To: reader-list at sarai.net 
>   Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:29 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Reader-list] reader-list Digest, Vol
> 48, Issue 23
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>    It is beyond my comprehension how can one justify
> a burqa covered woman feeling liberated.Burqa indeed
> obstucts liberty of a woman's self expression.So far
> as non-discriminatory nature of burqa is concerned
> which abolishes class and other such identities I
> hope Mr Y Sikand would be similarly supporting such
> uniformities in other walks of life like housing ,
> food etc.Life is an extremely diverse thing in every
> field including clothing.Advocacy of uniformity in
> any field is advocacy of fascism.
> 
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>       2. Brouhaha Over the Veil (Yogi Sikand)
>       3. Re: Brouhaha Over the Veil (MRSG)
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>       5. Re: Brouhaha Over the Veil (Vedavati Jogi)
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>     Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:20:52 +0530
>     From: "Aditya Raj Kaul"
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>     Subject: [Reader-list] Kashmiri filmmaker Arun
> Kaul passes away 
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>     *Kashmiri filmmaker Arun Kaul passes away*
> 
>     New Delhi, July 21 (PTI): Noted Kashmiri
> filmmaker and screenplay writer
>     Arun Kaul died here today after a prolonged
> illness. 
> 
>     Kaul, 74, is survived by his wife and two sons.
> He breathed his last at the
>     All India Institute of Medical Sciences this
> morning after being
>     hospitalised for nearly a month.
> 
>     Kaul, who was running "Vyeth" (Kashmir name of
> river Jehlum) Television, 
>     shot into fame when his film "Diksha" won the
> best film award for the year
>     1992.
> 
>     He has been a screenplay assistant of veteran
> film maker Gulzar for the
>     films 'Lekin' and 'Ijaazat' besides having
> written the screenplay for the 
>     film star-studed "Chandni" of Yash Chopra.
> 
>     He has also produced a film named "Ek Adhuri
> Kahani" directed by Mrinal Sen.
> 
> 
>     His television documentary "Dharma Kshetra" won
> the NFDC Award in 1986. 
> 
>     In mid 1990s, his production house, Vyeth
> Television, started "Kashmir File"
>     on Doordarshan in which the excesses committed
> by militants were
>     highlighted.
> 
>     The programme was closed after its anchor
> reporter, Saiuddin Shafi, was 
>     gunned down by militants in broad daylight for
> raising voice against the
>     terrorists.
> 
> 
>     *--
>     Aditya Raj Kaul
>     Blog: www.kauladityaraj.blogspot.com
>     Website: www.adityarajkaul.tk*
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>     Brouhaha Over the Veil
> 
> 
> 
>     Yoginder Sikand
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     The controversy surrounding recently-nominated
> President Pratibha
>     Patil's hotly contested statement on Muslims and
> the veil clearly
>     illustrates how Muslim women's dress has become
> a central trope in
>     contemporary discourses about Islam. Critics see
> the veil as
>     'obscurantist' and 'patriarchal', while its
> defenders regard it as
>     protecting women from the oppressive male gaze.
> In this brouhaha over
>     the veil, the fact that there is no single
> definition of it, that it
>     has different meanings for different people and
> that what is
>     considered to be normative Islamic women's
> attire varies across
>     different Muslim ethnic groups and social
> classes is completely lost 
>     sight of. Further, the important distinctions
> between the veil, the
>     burqa, the naqab and the hijab, all different
> forms of Muslim women's
>     dress, are overlooked.
> 
> 
> 
>     Interestingly, the Quran does not lay down any
> particular form of 
>     clothing for men or indeed for women. It does
> not require Muslim women
>     to cover their faces completely and remain
> confined at home, this
>     being a custom that Muslims later took over from
> the Byzantine
>     Christians. Instead, it talks about the need for
> both men and women to 
>     dress modestly. Modest appearance means that
> erogenous 
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