[Reader-list] FW: FW: Guests in Vedavati's house

Tue Nov 6 10:02:06 IST 2007

Dear Vedavati,

Typically, the difference between a 'rant' and a 'fact' is that a fact is
based on actual happenings / observances - neither of which are in this
post.

There is no issue with exposing 'secular lies' (whatever that may denote!)
but your posts only asks for Tehelka to probe into Muslim conversions, etc
and mentions no rebuttal of any post / view point raised here.

And then goes on to say that though you do not support the Gujarat Riots,
Hindu's have the right to take revenge. What revenge? Kill some more people?
Spread some more hate?

Do you really think that's right?

Rgds, Partha
................................

On 11/5/07, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> hello,
>
> thanks for reading my mails for a long time. i don't know other's
> reactions because i don't receive r-list mails. i am sure they must not be
> different from what you have written.
>
> firstly i write things based on facts, if you find them rant its your
> opinion. if you don't understand/ see the things which are as bright as day
> its again your problem.
>
> i have to repeat myself because i find same secular lies again & again on
> r-list.
> when people like yogi sikand, shuddha, roger das , and many more keep
> talking about descrimination and problems faced by muslims in india, you
> don't get annoyed, when they keep cursing rss, vhp, modi again & again, you
> don't get provoked, but when i try to counter them that inspires you to
> write mail, surprising!
>
> r-list does not block mails by thses people mentioned above when they
> spread hatred towards rss & likes, but when i try to expose psudo
> secularists my mails are blocked.
> this type of psudosecularism was propagated in 20th century in gandhian
> era, which ultimately resulted into partition of this country. kashmiri
> hindus have become refugees in their own country again because of this psudo
> secularism - shame on us, that we have still not learnt any lesson.
>
> after 2006 news had appeared in indian express that terrorists wanted to
> make blasts in gujrat but local muslims did not 'dare' to support them hence
> ultimately terrorists chose mumbai. it speaks volumes.
> i hope you understand what i mean. i have never never supported gujrat
> riots in 2002. but one must try to understand psychology of hindus. they too
> have right to defend themselves, they too have right to take revenge.
>
> vedavati
>
>
> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:42:29 +0000From: anu.mukh at gmail.comTo:
> vrjogi at hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Reader-list] FW: FW: Guests in Vedavati's
> house
> Dear Vedavati,
>
> I have been reading your posts for a long time. Without going into their
> merits or demerits, they seriously need to be structured better in order to
> say what you want to convey. Otherwise it is simply a rant. Rants are also
> valid, but this may not be the best forum for that. I suggest, start a blog.
> And may I also add that you don't ever say anything new. Not a new line of
> thought or even facts. You just go on repeating yourself.
>
> I have been a most invisible reader here, but you inspired me to write in.
> Continue the good work, but do at least make an effort to make what you
> write readable and therefore more easy to understand. Your scorn for
> "pseudo-secularists" is well-known, but since many of them are your readers,
> at least be legible. But I also find it funny that words like intellectual
> and pseudo-secularists are tossed about with such ease without even sparing
> a thought about their meaning or genesis. Almost every totalitarian regime
> or mindset that wanted to attack free-thinking has used such terms
> regardless which side of the fence they were on.
>
> The earth-shattering questions you ask can all be answered. But only
> somebody with immense patience can do it, take up your arguments point-wise
> and shred them. May be it is high time somebody should. But then what's the
> point, you don't ever listen to others, do you? Frankly, for most of us,
> it's not worth the effort. I agree with Inder when he says that you need to
> shape your debate better. Before you lump me with him and declare us a part
> of some "pseudo-secularist agenda" let me add that I may or may not agree
> with him on other things.
> Best
> Anuradha
>
>
>   1/red need3/07, Vedavati Jogi <vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:
> lot must have been discussed by readers list members about tehelka, as i
> am not receiving any mail from r-list  i don't have the priviledge to read
> the secular thoughts. i want to express my views which may or may not be
> published by r-list. i feel if tehelka is so much fond of digging the past
> things, i can suggest few more subjects. 1) for thousands of years muslimss
> killed/ looted/ converted hindus, pulled down their temples, humiliated
> their women. tehelka can study & find out how many of muslims in india are
> originally hindus. how many mandirs have been dismantled & converted into
> masjids. 2) why was india partitioned in 1947? inspite of gandhi's
> appeasement policy, why was jinnah & his followers remained so adamant? what
> was meant by 'has ke liya pakistan, ladh ke lenge hindustan'? 3) who
> masterminded 1993 bombay- bombblast? 4) was rubiya syed abduction episode, a
> true story? or mufti m. syed the then first muslim home minister had joined
> hands with pakistan to release 5 hardcore terrorists? > CC:
> vrjogi at hotmail.com; reader-list at sarai.net> From: monica at sarai.net>
> Subject: Re: [Reader-list] FW: FW: Guests in Vedavati's house> Date: Fri, 7
> Sep 2007 11:50:44 +0530> To: kshmendra2005 at yahoo.com> > Vedavati,> > If
> you have disabled receiving mails, then it does not mean that your > mails
> are being blocked by anyone except yourself for yourself.> > Mots du jour
> like banned are easy to bandy but utterly pointless if > untrue. Useful
> however for creating an atmosphere of allegations and > defensiveness.
> Perhaps that was the intention?> > This is an administered - NOT moderated -
> list. As everyone by now > knows, to their edification (or boredom).> >
> best> M> > Monica Narula> Raqs> Sarai-CSDS> 29 Rajpur Road> Delhi 110 054>
> www.raqsmediacollective.net> www.sarai.net> > > On 06-Sep-07, at 10:09 PM,
> Kshmendra Kaul wrote:> > > Dear VJ> >> > I do not know what the glitch was
> if any, but this last mail of > > yours has come through SARAI.> >> > Your
> address in Subscribers List continues to show in parentheses > > which means
> your list delivery is disabled.> >> > KK> >> > Vedavati Jogi <
> vrjogi at hotmail.com> wrote:> > .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px }
> body.hmmessage > > { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } yes,
> kshemendra, my > > mails are being blocked by sarai and i am not surprised
> because > > this is the real nature of secularism practiced in india.> >> >
> this secularism will lead to disaster i am sure.> >> > few decades back
> britishers encouraged muslim separatism which > > ultimately resulted into
> partition. today same great job is being > > done by psudosecularists and i
> will not be surprised if one day > > muslims again start giving same slogan
> 'islam khatareme hai' > > leading the nation to many more partitions.> >> >
> 'gujrat' is a 'shame' but 'kashmir' is not!> > when one babri was pulled
> down then so many riots (initiated by > > muslims) took place more over
> their acts were justified by > > psudosecularists> > but many temples were
> pulled down in kashmir ...spineless hindus > > did not feel bad and ofcourse
> psudo secularists kept their mouths > > shut.> >> > list is very big. this
> is secularism. if you feel what i have > > written is not wrong please
> distribute it.> >> > thanks> > vj> >> >> >> >
> ---------------------------------> > From: vrjogi at hotmail.com> > To:
> tapasrayx at gmail.com; reader-list at sarai.net> > Subject: RE: [Reader-list]
> FW: FW: Guests in Vedavati's house> > Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 02:21:04 +0000>
> >> > .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding: > > 0px;} .ExternalClass
> EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font- > > family:Tahoma;} no i am not
> suffering from any mental problem, i > > only tell the truth which psudo
> secularists can not digest.> >> > vedavati> >> >> >> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007
> 13:02:38 +0530> >> From: tapasrayx at gmail.com> >> To: vrjogi at hotmail.com>
> >>>> >> Please do not forward anything to me in future. I do not > >>
> appreciate it.> >>> >> For your information, I have already received from
> Reader-list the > >> mail> >> you claim was blocked and have forwarded to me
> offlist.> >>> >> I suspect you may be suffering from some type of delusion
> or > >> paranoia.> >>> >> TR> >>> >>> >> Vedavati Jogi wrote:> >>> i have no
> alternative but to forward this mail to all of you> >>> individually as
> readers list people don't dare to publish my mail.> >>> i request all of you
> to please read this correspondance. views > >>> expressed> >>> by people
> like roger are posing real threat to this country' unity.> >>>> >>>
> vedavati> >>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>
> ----> >>> From: vrjogi at hotmail.com> >>> To: rgdj12 at yahoo.com;
> reader-list at sarai.net> >>> Subject: RE: [Reader-list] FW: FW: Guests in
> Vedavati's house> >>> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:55:48 +0000> >>>> >>>
> pakistan is an enemy so i don't blame them as they are doing what an> >>>
> enemy is supposed to do. i am talking against psudoseculars like> >>> you.
> nobody has blocked minority advancement in india otherwise> >>> shahruhk,
> irfan pathan, zakir hussin, javed akhtar would not have > >>> <snip>> >> >>
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