[Reader-list] Saudi Verdict

[Radhakrishnan]

Pawan,
We have been interacting about defending democracy and civil society in the Sarai discussion forum. So kindly spare the undemocratic theocratic as well as medieval regimes from the discourse of secularism and welfare of socio-cultural groups or for that matter any debate on threats to primordial identities.

Lets us look at issues within the country in a holistic manner.
Discrimination and violence is quiet rampant in this country, particularly in some areas cutting across region and religion. The recent abominable acts of stripping an adivasi girl in Assam or such similar act in Kerala wherein a pregnant woman was disrobed on the suspicion of stealing, few months ago.

It's high time to shed the upper caste/class attitude of being in a state of self denial. There has been violence, discrimnation and oppression based on gender whether at the hands of law enforcement agents in Jammu and Kashmir or Ideological fascists in Nandigram, Gujarat or kerala or for that matter primodialists in Assam.

If such things are an aberration we have been witnessing, with stomach full of indignation, since the inception of organized violence in the name of defending one's caste, religion or so called ideology.

It's time we shed our colonial as well as pathological biases towards the others' whom we try to outwit through contrived rationality and self righteousness.   


R.Radhakrishnan

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>    2. Fwd: YJA - Bhujal Suraksha Yamuna Yatra - Final	program
>       (Ratish Nanda)
>    3. Re: Rape Victim ordered 200 lashes and prison by	Saudi judges
>       (shuddha at sarai.net)
>    4. Re: Rape Victim ordered 200 lashes and prison by	Saudi judges
>       (anuradha mukherjee)
>    5. Re: Rape Victim ordered 200 lashes and prison by	Saudi judges
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:13:08 +0530
> From: "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>Subject: [Reader-list] Rape Victim ordered 200 lashes and prison by
> 	Saudi	judges
>To: "sarai list" <reader-list at sarai.net>
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>Would Someone Puhleez link this to Modi , RSS & Hindutva ..........some
>intellectual surely would ..............
>
>http://www.themuslimwoman.org/
>http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/rape-victim-ordered-200-lashes-and-prison-by-saudi-judges/
>What can be called a travesty of judiciary, the Saudi Arabia's Higher
>Judicial Council has actually sentenced a rape victim to receive 200 lashes
>and prison while the perpetrators of humanity's most heinous crime were
>allowed to walk free.
>
>The 19-year-old Shiite woman who was raped by six armed men was originally
>sentenced to receive 90 lashes for traveling in the car of an 'unrelated
>male' at the time of the rape. However after the woman had the temerity of
>not unquestioningly submitting herself to be tortured as punishment of being
>raped, the judges on Saudi Arabia's Higher Judicial Council more than
>doubled her punishment for attempting to influence the judiciary through the
>media.
>
>Her lawyer, human right activist Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, has been banned from
>carrying her case further. His license has been revoked and he has been
>called to appear before a disciplinary committee for challenging the
>judgment, which only punished the victim of the crime and not its
>perpetrators. The Sunni rapists were given a paltry sentence of one to five
>years of imprisonment.
>
>This is the horrendous state of a country that keeps its women forcefully
>behind veils only to extenuate and encourage heinous crimes against them in
>the name of maintaining social discipline.
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:45:17 +0530
> From: "Ratish Nanda" <ratishn at gmail.com>
>Subject: [Reader-list] Fwd: YJA - Bhujal Suraksha Yamuna Yatra - Final
> 	program
>To: reader-list at sarai.net
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>  Dear all,
>
>please see e mail below from Shri Manoj Misra of Yamuna Bachao Andolan -
>they have been protesting against the proposed constructions planned on
>the Yamuna riverbed for over a 100 days and are now planning a padyatra. The
>proposed constructions are expected to choke our city as, amongst other
>factors, the river bed is essentially a water recharge zone.
>
>Please forward this e mail and join in the Yatra.
>
>Regards
>
>Ratish
>
>   ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Yamuna Jiye Abhiyaan <yamunajiye at gmail.com>
>Date: Nov 29, 2007 10:14 PM
>Subject: YJA - Bhujal Suraksha Yamuna Yatra - Final program
>
>
>Dear Friends,
>
>Kindly note the program as under:
>
>1.12.2007 - Yatra begins at 1030 hrs from Satyagrah Sthal (behind Akshardham
>next to NZM bridge) and proceeds northwards along the west bank of the
>river. After we have crossed the urban stretch of the river walking through
>ITO bridge, and Wazirabad Barrage we shall halt for the night at
>Village Buradi.
>2.12.2007 - Start morning and travel through western bank of the river till
>Palla village (where the river enters Delhi). Halt for the night at
>Bhaktarpur Village.
>3.12.2007 - Start morning, cross over to the eastern Bank and travel
>southwards along the river. Halt at Gamdi Village for the night. (It is the
>125th day of the Yamuna Satyagrah)
>4.12.2007 - Start morning and travel along the eastern bank, cross
>Wazirabad, Shastri Park, Geeta Colony and back to Satyagrah Sthal.
>5.12.2007 - Start morning and travel southwards along the west bank of the
>river, cross DND, Okhla and halt for the night at Basantpur / Jaitpur
>Village (where the river leaves Delhi).
>6.12.2007 - Start morning and return to Satyagrah Sthal along the east bank
>of the river.
>
>9.12.2007 - Yamuna Sansad at the Satyagrah Sthal.
>
>Kindly forward this program as widely as possible.
>
>Looking forward to having you with us during the Yatra.
>
>manoj
>
>
>
>
>--
>www.yamunajiyeabhiyaan.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>--
>Ratish Nanda
>
>
>
>--
>Ratish Nanda
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:40:26 +0530
> From: <shuddha at sarai.net>
>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Rape Victim ordered 200 lashes and prison
> 	by	Saudi judges
>To: " Pawan Durani " <pawan.durani at gmail.com>
>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
>Message-ID: <d05b3e6c17efe60c1b45cc6856f9b311 at sarai.net>
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>Dear Pawan,
>
>Hell comes in different flavours, as I tried to explain in an earlier post,
>and as is evident from your posting of the brutal treatment meted out to a
>young woman who has been the victim of gang rape in Saudi Arabia.
>
>Being against one kind of hell does not mean that we have to be the
>partisans of other kinds of hell, elsewhere. The kind of intellectual that
>I find interesting it the one who has no problem at all in terms of
>evolving an engaged critique of oppression, no matter what form it takes,
>no matter where it occurs. That is why, despite our respect for people like
>Noam Chomsky, some of us took it upon ourselves to sharply criticize his
>prevaricating apology for the 'Left Front' government's violence against
>its own subjects in West Bengal
>
>And so, contrary to your expectations, some of those of us who have been
>active on this list in arguing against the Indian state's military
>occupation of the Kashmir valley have had no problems at all in being
>determined in our opposition to oppression when it occurs in Left Front
>ruled West Bengal, in the current conditions of military dictatorship in
>Burma and Pakistan, or for that matter when it occurs under the aegis of
>the Ibn Saud dynasty in Saudi Arabia. Tomorrow, if North Korea were to be
>discussed on this list, I would be certain that there will be clear
>arguments on this list against the imbecilic regime that rules North Korea
>at the moment. The list can be justifiedly expanded to include Iran, the
>United States, Russia and many other countries and states.
>
>Saudi Arabia is one of the most horrible places on the planet. It is ruled
>by a corrupt, decadent ruling elite and kept in place by money, weapons and
>influence wielded by British and American corporate intersts and foreign
>policy. If the international community was justified in operating a set of
>sanctions against the hated South African apartheid regime, it should have
>no business in cosying up to the sexist, slave-owning, xenophobic,
>anti-semitic Saudi regime which is the favourite retirement support agency
>of third rate dictators like Idi Amin and corrupt rulers like Nawaz Sharif.
>
>The Saudi Monarchy, which rose to eminence as the stooge of British foreign
>policy in the middle east in the early twentieth century presides over an
>imbecilic and paranoid gloss of Islam, and the particularly Salafist brand
>of Islam that is held out as an ideal by the Saudi monarchy and its rented
>clerics is rightly rejected by the majority of Muslims in the world. Its
>significance lies only in that it is backed by petro-dollars and American
>fighter jets.
>
>One does not have to link the decadence of current Saudi Arabia to the
>venality of Moditva/Hindutva. They are two different kinds of abominations
>that need to be fought, and fought till they are destroyed. I would be just
>as happy to see Salafist Islamo-fascism perish in Saudi Arabia, as I would
>be to see the short, sharp end of Moditva and Hindutva in Gujarat and in
>India.
>
>regards.
>
>Shuddha
>
>
>
>On 2:13 pm 11/30/07 "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Would Someone Puhleez link this to Modi , RSS & Hindutva
> > ..........some intellectual surely would ..............
> >
> > http://www.themuslimwoman.org/
> > http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/rape-victim-ordered-200-lashes-and
> > -prison-by-saudi-judges/
> > What can be called a travesty of judiciary, the Saudi Arabia's Higher
> > Judicial Council has actually sentenced a rape victim to receive 200
> > lashes and prison while the perpetrators of humanity's most heinous
> > crime were allowed to walk free.
> >
> > The 19-year-old Shiite woman who was raped by six armed men was
> > originally sentenced to receive 90 lashes for traveling in the car of
> > an 'unrelated male' at the time of the rape. However after the woman
> > had the temerity of not unquestioningly submitting herself to be
> > tortured as punishment of being raped, the judges on Saudi Arabia's
> > Higher Judicial Council more than doubled her punishment for
> > attempting to influence the judiciary through the media.
> >
> > Her lawyer, human right activist Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, has been
> > banned from carrying her case further. His license has been revoked
> > and he has been called to appear before a disciplinary committee for
> > challenging the judgment, which only punished the victim of the crime
> > and not its perpetrators. The Sunni rapists were given a paltry
> > sentence of one to five years of imprisonment.
> >
> > This is the horrendous state of a country that keeps its women
> > forcefully behind veils only to extenuate and encourage heinous
> > crimes against them in the name of maintaining social discipline.
> > _________________________________________
> > reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
> > Critiques & Collaborations
> > To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
> > subscribe in the subject header. To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.ne
> > t/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
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>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:35:34 +0000
> From: "anuradha mukherjee" <anu.mukh at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Rape Victim ordered 200 lashes and prison
> 	by	Saudi judges
>To: shuddha at sarai.net
>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net
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>I think Shuddha's reply has summed it up beautifully. Why should a horrible
>incident in Saudi Arabia be brought up to shame those who are against a
>particularly violent form of Hindutva being practised in India? What is the
>connection?
>Best
>Anuradha
>
>
>On 11/30/07, shuddha at sarai.net <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Pawan,
> >
> > Hell comes in different flavours, as I tried to explain in an earlier
> > post,
> > and as is evident from your posting of the brutal treatment meted out to a
> > young woman who has been the victim of gang rape in Saudi Arabia.
> >
> > Being against one kind of hell does not mean that we have to be the
> > partisans of other kinds of hell, elsewhere. The kind of intellectual that
> > I find interesting it the one who has no problem at all in terms of
> > evolving an engaged critique of oppression, no matter what form it takes,
> > no matter where it occurs. That is why, despite our respect for people
> > like
> > Noam Chomsky, some of us took it upon ourselves to sharply criticize his
> > prevaricating apology for the 'Left Front' government's violence against
> > its own subjects in West Bengal
> >
> > And so, contrary to your expectations, some of those of us who have been
> > active on this list in arguing against the Indian state's military
> > occupation of the Kashmir valley have had no problems at all in being
> > determined in our opposition to oppression when it occurs in Left Front
> > ruled West Bengal, in the current conditions of military dictatorship in
> > Burma and Pakistan, or for that matter when it occurs under the aegis of
> > the Ibn Saud dynasty in Saudi Arabia. Tomorrow, if North Korea were to be
> > discussed on this list, I would be certain that there will be clear
> > arguments on this list against the imbecilic regime that rules North Korea
> > at the moment. The list can be justifiedly expanded to include Iran, the
> > United States, Russia and many other countries and states.
> >
> > Saudi Arabia is one of the most horrible places on the planet. It is ruled
> > by a corrupt, decadent ruling elite and kept in place by money, weapons
> > and
> > influence wielded by British and American corporate intersts and foreign
> > policy. If the international community was justified in operating a set of
> > sanctions against the hated South African apartheid regime, it should have
> > no business in cosying up to the sexist, slave-owning, xenophobic,
> > anti-semitic Saudi regime which is the favourite retirement support agency
> > of third rate dictators like Idi Amin and corrupt rulers like Nawaz
> > Sharif.
> >
> > The Saudi Monarchy, which rose to eminence as the stooge of British
> > foreign
> > policy in the middle east in the early twentieth century presides over an
> > imbecilic and paranoid gloss of Islam, and the particularly Salafist brand
> > of Islam that is held out as an ideal by the Saudi monarchy and its rented
> > clerics is rightly rejected by the majority of Muslims in the world. Its
> > significance lies only in that it is backed by petro-dollars and American
> > fighter jets.
> >
> > One does not have to link the decadence of current Saudi Arabia to the
> > venality of Moditva/Hindutva. They are two different kinds of abominations
> > that need to be fought, and fought till they are destroyed. I would be
> > just
> > as happy to see Salafist Islamo-fascism perish in Saudi Arabia, as I would
> > be to see the short, sharp end of Moditva and Hindutva in Gujarat and in
> > India.
> >
> > regards.
> >
> > Shuddha
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2:13 pm 11/30/07 "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Would Someone Puhleez link this to Modi , RSS & Hindutva
> > > ..........some intellectual surely would ..............
> > >
> > > http://www.themuslimwoman.org/
> > > http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/rape-victim-ordered-200-lashes-and
> > > -prison-by-saudi-judges/
> > > What can be called a travesty of judiciary, the Saudi Arabia's Higher
> > > Judicial Council has actually sentenced a rape victim to receive 200
> > > lashes and prison while the perpetrators of humanity's most heinous
> > > crime were allowed to walk free.
> > >
> > > The 19-year-old Shiite woman who was raped by six armed men was
> > > originally sentenced to receive 90 lashes for traveling in the car of
> > > an 'unrelated male' at the time of the rape. However after the woman
> > > had the temerity of not unquestioningly submitting herself to be
> > > tortured as punishment of being raped, the judges on Saudi Arabia's
> > > Higher Judicial Council more than doubled her punishment for
> > > attempting to influence the judiciary through the media.
> > >
> > > Her lawyer, human right activist Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, has been
> > > banned from carrying her case further. His license has been revoked
> > > and he has been called to appear before a disciplinary committee for
> > > challenging the judgment, which only punished the victim of the crime
> > > and not its perpetrators. The Sunni rapists were given a paltry
> > > sentence of one to five years of imprisonment.
> > >
> > > This is the horrendous state of a country that keeps its women
> > > forcefully behind veils only to extenuate and encourage heinous
> > > crimes against them in the name of maintaining social discipline.
> > > _________________________________________
> > > reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
> > > Critiques & Collaborations
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:12:10 +0530
> From: "Shivam Vij" <mail at shivamvij.com>
>Subject: Re: [Reader-list] Rape Victim ordered 200 lashes and prison
> 	by	Saudi judges
>To: "anuradha mukherjee" <anu.mukh at gmail.com>
>Cc: reader-list at sarai.net, shuddha at sarai.net
>Message-ID:
> 	<9c06aab30711300442xdc57c49ucd01db8e4bd05647 at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
>Well the connection is, 'Look you are obsessed with Gujarat but not with
>Saudi Arabia'. It assumes that one condones oppression and violence when it
>comes to "Muslims" and one is thus a "pseudo-secularist". Shuddha has
>demolished it well. Those who accuse others of pseudo-secularism are in fact
>themselves guilty of partisan obsessions with oppression. Funny how they
>seek to transpose their bias onto others.
>shivam
>
>
>On 11/30/07, anuradha mukherjee <anu.mukh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think Shuddha's reply has summed it up beautifully. Why should a
> > horrible
> > incident in Saudi Arabia be brought up to shame those who are against a
> > particularly violent form of Hindutva being practised in India? What is
> > the
> > connection?
> > Best
> > Anuradha
> >
> >
> > On 11/30/07, shuddha at sarai.net <shuddha at sarai.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Pawan,
> > >
> > > Hell comes in different flavours, as I tried to explain in an earlier
> > > post,
> > > and as is evident from your posting of the brutal treatment meted out to
> > a
> > > young woman who has been the victim of gang rape in Saudi Arabia.
> > >
> > > Being against one kind of hell does not mean that we have to be the
> > > partisans of other kinds of hell, elsewhere. The kind of intellectual
> > that
> > > I find interesting it the one who has no problem at all in terms of
> > > evolving an engaged critique of oppression, no matter what form it
> > takes,
> > > no matter where it occurs. That is why, despite our respect for people
> > > like
> > > Noam Chomsky, some of us took it upon ourselves to sharply criticize his
> > > prevaricating apology for the 'Left Front' government's violence against
> > > its own subjects in West Bengal
> > >
> > > And so, contrary to your expectations, some of those of us who have been
> > > active on this list in arguing against the Indian state's military
> > > occupation of the Kashmir valley have had no problems at all in being
> > > determined in our opposition to oppression when it occurs in Left Front
> > > ruled West Bengal, in the current conditions of military dictatorship in
> > > Burma and Pakistan, or for that matter when it occurs under the aegis of
> > > the Ibn Saud dynasty in Saudi Arabia. Tomorrow, if North Korea were to
> > be
> > > discussed on this list, I would be certain that there will be clear
> > > arguments on this list against the imbecilic regime that rules North
> > Korea
> > > at the moment. The list can be justifiedly expanded to include Iran, the
> > > United States, Russia and many other countries and states.
> > >
> > > Saudi Arabia is one of the most horrible places on the planet. It is
> > ruled
> > > by a corrupt, decadent ruling elite and kept in place by money, weapons
> > > and
> > > influence wielded by British and American corporate intersts and foreign
> > > policy. If the international community was justified in operating a set
> > of
> > > sanctions against the hated South African apartheid regime, it should
> > have
> > > no business in cosying up to the sexist, slave-owning, xenophobic,
> > > anti-semitic Saudi regime which is the favourite retirement support
> > agency
> > > of third rate dictators like Idi Amin and corrupt rulers like Nawaz
> > > Sharif.
> > >
> > > The Saudi Monarchy, which rose to eminence as the stooge of British
> > > foreign
> > > policy in the middle east in the early twentieth century presides over
> > an
> > > imbecilic and paranoid gloss of Islam, and the particularly Salafist
> > brand
> > > of Islam that is held out as an ideal by the Saudi monarchy and its
> > rented
> > > clerics is rightly rejected by the majority of Muslims in the world. Its
> > > significance lies only in that it is backed by petro-dollars and
> > American
> > > fighter jets.
> > >
> > > One does not have to link the decadence of current Saudi Arabia to the
> > > venality of Moditva/Hindutva. They are two different kinds of
> > abominations
> > > that need to be fought, and fought till they are destroyed. I would be
> > > just
> > > as happy to see Salafist Islamo-fascism perish in Saudi Arabia, as I
> > would
> > > be to see the short, sharp end of Moditva and Hindutva in Gujarat and in
> > > India.
> > >
> > > regards.
> > >
> > > Shuddha
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2:13 pm 11/30/07 "Pawan Durani" <pawan.durani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Would Someone Puhleez link this to Modi , RSS & Hindutva
> > > > ..........some intellectual surely would ..............
> > > >
> > > > http://www.themuslimwoman.org/
> > > > http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/rape-victim-ordered-200-lashes-and
> > > > -prison-by-saudi-judges/
> > > > What can be called a travesty of judiciary, the Saudi Arabia's Higher
> > > > Judicial Council has actually sentenced a rape victim to receive 200
> > > > lashes and prison while the perpetrators of humanity's most heinous
> > > > crime were allowed to walk free.
> > > >
> > > > The 19-year-old Shiite woman who was raped by six armed men was
> > > > originally sentenced to receive 90 lashes for traveling in the car of
> > > > an 'unrelated male' at the time of the rape. However after the woman
> > > > had the temerity of not unquestioningly submitting herself to be
> > > > tortured as punishment of being raped, the judges on Saudi Arabia's
> > > > Higher Judicial Council more than doubled her punishment for
> > > > attempting to influence the judiciary through the media.
> > > >
> > > > Her lawyer, human right activist Abdul Rahman al-Lahem, has been
> > > > banned from carrying her case further. His license has been revoked
> > > > and he has been called to appear before a disciplinary committee for
> > > > challenging the judgment, which only punished the victim of the crime
> > > > and not its perpetrators. The Sunni rapists were given a paltry
> > > > sentence of one to five years of imprisonment.
> > > >
> > > > This is the horrendous state of a country that keeps its women
> > > > forcefully behind veils only to extenuate and encourage heinous
> > > > crimes against them in the name of maintaining social discipline.
> > > > _________________________________________
> > > > reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
> > > > Critiques & Collaborations
> > > > To subscribe: send an email to reader-list-request at sarai.net with
> > > > subscribe in the subject header. To unsubscribe: https://mail.sarai.ne
> > > > t/mailman/listinfo/reader-list
> > > > List archive: <https://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/>
> > >
> > > _________________________________________
> > > reader-list: an open discussion list on media and the city.
> > > Critiques & Collaborations
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