[Reader-list] Reply to junaid mails on Invasion of Indian culture
we wi
dhatr1i at yahoo.com
Sat Oct 13 15:51:38 IST 2007
Partha,
Really?
EVEN I AM INTO IT, I am a POST GRADUATE IN COMPUTER SCIENCE. Whats your greatness of somebody else greatness of being into 21st century/IT etc., But I am traditional(not orthodox and not modern).
GANDHARV,YAKSH,KINNER,KIMPURUSH are all fall into divine category.
(Holiness/--sainthood in your terms :P)
Himalayas are divine and demons occupied them now.
MERU is at MANAS SAROVAR -- occupied by CHINA,
kashmire SHARADA DEVI .... LANKAYAM SHANKARI.
Sharda temple is in J&K at POK(PAKISTAN OCCUPIED KASHMIR).
>>I do hope you have read up on Indian history and discovered that many INDIAN
>>people converted to Islam because of oppression by caste. They are still residents
>>of India with an equal right to vote or express their opinion.
While there are so many other religions are available and More freedom is there in them, Why do anybody choose Islam? They do have their own reasons and how does ones anger reflect except causing the disintegration((self or community)) due to force/confusion created due to exploitation of the system by somebody or self for whatever interests?
Every religion is copy cat of HINDUISM, and do have dual categories why ???
Why reservations in India in the name of caste???
Why religion and caste is there in Indian life then from birth,schooling,jobs,death???
Have you ever heard about SRI CHAKRA?
Could you please tell me the impact on foreign astrological calculations(websites and astologers foreign) and their truthfulness due to expulsion of PLUTO as a PLANET from the Solar system? Does that mean Whatever they predicted is wrong? Doesn't it clearly show they looted money through credit cards??? How will they adjust this expulsion and calculate the time now??? Should anybody in the world believe it or not???
I understood that you write something whatever I post. Leave Wikepedia,scriptures what about this. In Every part of India, some birth,marriage,death used to happen on seconds(least measurable time frame) basis apart from that people are there living and practicing the below line into their daily prayers(Officially at temples and personally at home). THIS IS REAL thing happening along with TIME. Even the same is the official calender for GOI(Government of India). Pl try to listen any Indian Radio channel(Irrespective of language) at morning 5:56(IST) minutes
"PRAVARTA MANASYA, ADYA BRAHMANA,DWITEEYA PARAADHE,SWEETAVARAH KALPE, VAIVASWATA MANVANTARE, KALI YUGE,PRDHAMA PAADE, JAMBU DWEEPE, BHARATA VARSHE, BHARATA KHADE, MERU... ASMIN VARTHAMAANA VYAVAHARIK CHANDRAMAANEENA ,PRABHAVAADI SHASTI SAMVATSARAANAM MADHYE,SRI SARVAJITH NAAM VATSARE,DAKSHINAAYANE,VARSHA RUTAU,AASWAYUJA MAASE,SUKLA PAKSHE,VIDIYA MYAYAM,STHIRA VASARA
Translation:
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Adya Brahmanaha : Beginning from Brahmas life.
Dvitheeya Parardhe : we are now in 2nd Parardha.
Sweta Varaha Kalpe : In Swetha Varaha Kalpa.
Vyvaswata manvantare : Manus name is Vyvaswatha
Kaliyuge : We are now in Kali Yug
Pratham paade : Ist Padajust in 52nd century
Of Brahma.
Christian Year 2007 ---- SARVAJITH NAAM vathsare (yeaar)
Ayan: ---- DAKSHINAYAN
RUTU ---- VARSH RUTU
Month: ---- ASHVAYUJ MAase
Paksh: ---- Sukla Pakshe
Thithi: ---- VIDIYA
Day ( SATURDAY) ---- STHIRA vasara
Too deep explanation:
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KRITA YUG = 17,28,000 YEARS TRETA YUG = 12,96,000 YEARS
DWAPARA YUG = 8,64,000 YEARS
KALI YUG = 4,32,000 YEARS
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TOTAL= 43,20,000 YEARS
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1000 CHATUR YUGAS = 1 day of Brahma ( kalpa)
1000 CHATUR YUGAS = 1 night of Brahma.
2000 CHATUR YUGAS = 1 day & night of Brahma
360 DAYS OF BRAHMA = 1 year of Brahma.
100 YEARS OF BRAHMA = Brahmas full age and that
is the duration of the great
Deluge too.
50 YEARS OF BRAHMA = PARARDHA.
TWO PARARDHAS = Life span of Brahma i.e., 100
Years which is equal to:
31104,000,00,00,000 or
311040 billion human years.
After that, pralaya equal to the duration of two Parardhas take place, and at its end, a new cycle of creation starts with a new Brahma at its head.
1) laya, at the end of a mahayuga, when the physical world is destroyed;
2) pralaya, at the end of a kalpa, when both the physical and subtle worlds are destroyed; and
3) mahapralaya at the end of a mahakalpa, when all three worlds (physical, subtle and causal) are absorbed into Shiv.
Brahma has now completed one Parardha. He is now in His 51st year. He has thus passed 50 X 360 = 18,000 Kalpas.
The first Kalpa is called Brahma and the last Padma. The current Kalpa is SWETA VARAHA KALPA.
Within each Kalpa 14 Manus reign; a Manvantara, or period of a Manu, therefore is consequently one-fourteenth part of a Kalpa, or day of Brahma.
"In the present Kalpa, six Manus, of whom Swayambhu was the first, have already passed away; the present being Vaivaswata.
Brahma creates and his own life time is 2 Parardhas i.e; 100 years of Brahma and His date of death is certain.
Historians/foreigners measure time scale(this age,that age,cabbage and cauliflower or whatever flower into your ears or some body else hair). But the above one(SANKALP) has been coming as a part of Indian way of life and will continue to go.
BRAHMA(out of 100) COMPLETED 52 YEARS AND 48 REMAINING, I could not foresee the KALI ERA and the life ahead at Brahma's 100th year(at pralaya time).
If I say because you got married to a christian(though its a conceptual one, I doubt on you), one Hindu girl lost a good husband and got unmarried and living whats your reaction???
Even after my spoon feeding mail, explaining the relevance(depicting the false facts like PEACOCK THROWN WAS BUILT BY MUGHAL KINGS thats true but the material used is the stolen/robbed one,KASHMIRI PUNDITS made muslims as slaves) I doubt your understanding skills and your employer/business capabilities.
Regards,
Dhatri.
Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dhatri,
Once again you jump around the debate on a tangent which has no relevance to what Junaid had mentioned. Also, since Sarai is a public forum for debate, we all raise issues here - like the one you had raised about Zero being discovered by India.
In any case, to go back to the points you raised.
1. Jammu & Kashmir being a "Hindu" kingdom.
If you are referring to the rulers being 'Hindu', then Junaid has shown you the fallacy.
If you refer to the majority being 'Hindu' then that to is a fallacy. Firstly because J&K
has a large Muslim population as well as Tribals. I presume you are aware that a
'Hindu' is one who believes in the trinity of Bramha, Vishnu and Shiva - and that
tribals follow Yakshas and Yakhsis - which means that they are not 'Hindu'.
Further, India is not a 'Hindu' country. The only Hindu nation I'm aware of is Nepal.
And as you must be aware, the Hindu king there has caused much pain and death
till there was a public revolt.
The 'India' you are referring to pre-independence was actually a non-federation of
independents rulers (who would more often than not be warring and looting other
kingdoms).
And if you really want to go that far back, shouldn't 'India' reject all tribes but the
Dravid's who are the original inhabitants of this geographical place.
By your logic of everyone being 'migrants', then all races in India other
than Dravid's are migrants. So, are you going to give up your claim to India?
More importantly, you seem to continuously get confused between religion and
the region of people. If for example a Bengali converts to Buddhism, would you
insist on sending him to Japan (even though Buddhism's roots are in India) or
if he converted to being a Muslim does that change the fact that he's still a
Bengali?
I do hope you have read up on Indian history and discovered that many INDIAN
people converted to Islam because of oppression by caste. They are still residents
of India with an equal right to vote or express their opinion.
2. You use Wikepedia as a reference (and so do I). However, as an IT professional am
aware that Wikepedia is a collective effort where anyone can make a post. And that
the veracity of information there is not complete - which is why it gives references to
places it has used information from as 'probable' history.
3. The article you've mentioned about the Kohinoor makes it very clear that most of it's
sources are rumours and hearsay - which is why the mention conflicting sources and
claims so that the reader is open to make his / her interpretation. It also makes it clear
that ownership claims have been made by India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran as the
actual origin is a matter of historical dispute.
4. From what I understood of Junaid's mail, he talked about the existence and oppression
of Muslims in the princely state of J&K (which didn't have much to do with the Kohinoor
or the Peacock Throne) which is why there was a revolt - much like there is one in the
Hindu nation of Nepal.
5. From what little I've read and understood, Indian history and tradition is a mix of Mughal,
Mongol, Portugese, Dravid, Roman, Grecian, Aryan and a host of other influences. The
thought of India I have always loved as a secular nation (even before independence,
actually) that assimilated concepts and people - inclusive and not exclusive. If you
really are a follower of Indian tradition then look at how we inculcated all these influences
(including English as an official language!) and used it to grow and move forward instead
of closing our minds.
Finally, are we looking at a resolution, are are we insistent upon staying enveloped in blind hate that shouts down everything except our angst irrespective of the logic. Maybe Juniad's angst is not as recent as yours, but it does exist, as does yours.
So, what do we do? Keep fighting on small irrelevant issues like the Kohinoor or look at a way to resolve the larger issue that is causing so much pain, death and misery?
What's more important?
If you still think that your mail was not off on a tangent from the issues raised by Junaid, please fell free to correct me. However, I could not find any link between the points raised by Junaid and your response, or any facts behind your claims (with even Wikepedia making it abundantly clear that it can not verify sources).
Rgds, Partha
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On 10/13/07, we wi <dhatr1i at yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Partha,
Why SARAI was being chosen as an avenue to gossip and rumour about JAMMU and KASHMIR?
Junaid writings are clearly objectionable because of many reasons. Among them let me pinpoint
1) Hindu kings did this, that against whatever so called Muslim population?
Clearly Jammu and Kashmir is a HINDU KINGDOM like wise many kingdoms and kings and so as then population and culture.
Let me ask you in a country/kingdom where there exists only HINDUS(by any time), if anybody else exists aren't they migrants? What do they be called? Instead of living peacefully why would they continue attacking heritage and culture?
If they started doing things in wrong way how will authorities react? Going further If they continue ransacking by misusing the liberty What to do?
2) PEACOCK THROWN was built with Koh-i-Noor. The history of kohinoor is!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor .
Junaid clearly do not know this. With lack of knowledge like this he is writing on SARAI.
Forget the manners but the schools they studied taught wrong lectures, the atmosphere they grew taught -ve and violence. Did they question themselves before doing any such -ve,violent acts? for just 1000 years of history and existence they are shouting like this then for being own the history and existence of unmeasurable age how Hinduism/India/Indians/Hindu followers should feel about and react???
I can produce sin,cos and cotangents also if you QUOTE my replies are unrelated tangent. But if you look at mails on SARAI list, they are in such a provoking way that atleast I could not show lenience. By writing like this I just invest 5 minutes of my writing and 30 minutes of surfing time.
So junaid comments on
1) JAMMU & KASHMIR with its culture and population then and KASHMIR PUNDITS (now)is totally wrong.
2) ISLAM is a myth just.
Not only junaid but many are doing the same.
I am just an ordinary person and with the above justification hope you will not use the word unrelated tangent again.
Regards,
Dhatri.
Partha Dasgupta <parthaekka at gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Dhatri,
One of the reasons we were asked off the list for two weeks was that you keep going off on unrelated tangents.
Please, please stick to replying to points raised in the current post, and if you wish to respond to another post, then do it on that post and not any one that you happen to click on.
Rgds, Partha
On 10/12/07, we wi < dhatr1i at yahoo.com> wrote: Junaid,
Though people are busy in false accusations,interpretations and assaults on INDIA, Its culture and to support this there is no need to argue endlessly, but to enlighten people like you who are doing intentionally, I am writing this again.
I used enlighten because either
1) You don't know about Indian history and culture-- to support this is I prefer to use your earlier comments on PEACOCK THROWN. I request you to go through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor,
2) If you spread rumors purposefully, then I remind you that you will not succeed like Pakistan and China. Indian heritage is rich and culture is widespread across the globe. Every HINDU home contain, atleast few ancestral,cultural,spiritual,traditional wealths/residue whatever you say.
From the beginning of its origin to the present, ISLAM produced violence that is the fact though its unfortunate and so as people. So violent in thoughts leave 1/2 exceptional cases for whatever reasons . You can say whatever but ISLAM IS MIGRATION TO INDIA. Please just keep it in mind.
Regards,
Dhatri.
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