[Reader-list] The importance of names???

Mon Oct 15 18:38:49 IST 2007

I am bamboozled  by your response gowhar2... or 1 for
that matter let me take a deep breath... recover n
then respond!

--- gowhar yaqoob <gowharjacob at yahoo.co.in> wrote:

> When Shakespeare wrote: "What's in the name",
> perhaps his sensibility was gliding through a truly
> liberated psyche of populace, yet, when Oscar Wilde
> wrote: The Importance of being an Earnest, there was
> along with Wilde's well-known wit an unmistakble
> insistence to capture within the matrix an
> Imposition fulfilled through the jargons! (names).
>    
>   Ofcourse to many just a semantic quibble, is
> 'baptizing' (naming) not an issue replete with the
> diktats (pro-government or otherwise) with
> linguistic politics getting under way and hasn't the
> historical deceit(s) taught us how names were made
> accessible for indexing - writing (deforming) the 
> past(s); henceforth imposing many unknown
> potrait(s): of people(s), citie(s), culture(s)
> through juxtapositions untimely to manifest the
> hegemony.
>    
>   Yes, the two names 'Anathnag' and 'Islambaad'
> would continue to remain interchangeable as long as
> certain provocations would not allign again towards
> some form of deceit (political correctness). ''Some
> fools politicize the names and insist on using one
> or the other." If it were so naive?  A well worked
> out conviction that decide to priviledge one of the
> binaries is not at all just a fool's politics.... It
> harps at deeper levels beyond people's recognition;
> with redoing and undoing of the past(s) with which
> the present (whatever) is legitimized, and hegemony
> ("pro-government" or "otherwise") imposed further !
>   
>  
>   gowhar fazli <gowharfazili at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   The two names 'Anathnag' and 'Islambaad' were/are
> used
> interchangeably in daily conversation. Some fools
> politicize the names and insist on using one or the
> other. But the larger population keeps insisting on
> the mistake/s. 
> 
> Who is this naming aunty Indian State? What right
> does
> the Indian state have to confer names to places? 
> People use whatever they like and there is no need
> for
> bans or conferment or to get worked up about this.
> How
> can you prevent people from calling a place whatever
> they want to call it? You can't use military or 
> militant diktats to impose names. It wont work. The
> name controversy is a big joke. 
> 
> I buy all the myths about kohimaran, Kari parbat,
> killah, shankracharya, takhte suleiman and so do
> most
> people. As a child, it made Srinagar an interesting
> place to live in. Imagine all the deamons, rishis
> and
> prophets flying around! One knew then to relish a
> story....
> 
> 
> There is this other insistence on making Baramulla,
> Varmul to make it sound more Kashmiri and in the
> same
> vein, Kupwara-Kopwor Pulwama-Pulwom and so on...
> This
> is the hight of self-righteousness. As though by
> doing
> this one would undo the history of colonialism! Why
> does a place have to have an official name... All
> name-variants in different languages/traditions
> carry
> their own stories and significance, that tell us of
> the different versions of our past. Reflection on
> these stories is more interesting than the tongue
> twisters and political correctness of names. I think
> we can afford to have a hundred names for each
> place... the ones that make it harder to roll the
> tongue will drop out eventually!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- inder salim wrote:
> 
> > cool down, my friend
> > 
> > what would u call it : M.H. Zafar ( the noted poet
> > intellectual of
> > Kashmir ) has named his son Abhinav ( after the
> > great poet saint
> > Abhinav Gupt )
> > 
> > my friend Shafi from Islamabad ( Anantnag ) has
> two
> > children one Viru
> > and other Nishu.
> > 
> > my other friend has named his son Jibran ( after
> the
> > rebel poet Khalil
> > jibran ) and so on....
> > 
> > so please look into this fact that why muslims
> dont
> > eat fish from
> > Anant-Nag ( springs ) in Kashmir.
> > 
> > something is still there, let us restore that....
> > naming Islamabad can
> > not make it pakistan, but it will certainly
> resotre
> > the popular. why
> > to ignore what is so loudly breating out there.
> > 
> > love
> > is
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/14/07, Pawan Durani 
> 
> > wrote:
> > > And what do you wish to call New Delhi ? Perhaps
> > Kabul !!!
> > > Strange fanatic demands which your intellectual
> > SARAI friends would term as
> > > something right .....
> > >
> > > A cancer which is being hidden and projected as
> a
> > medicine ....till it
> > > strikes Kolkotta , Bangalore ,Chennai and other
> > Indian cities.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/14/07, inder salim 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > EID MUBARAK to all
> > > >
> > > > can be a little healing touch in Kashmir if
> > Govt of India on this
> > > occasion
> > > > officiallydeclares:
> > > >
> > > > Islamabad (Anantnag)
> > > > instead of Ananatnag ( Islamabad )
> > > >
> > > > which is quite a popular demand in Kashmir.
> > > >
> > > > Kashmiri Pandits ought to understand
> > > > that even now, no body in Islamabad ( Anantnag
> )
> > eats fish from the
> > > > springs in Kashmir.
> > > >
> > > > I guess, we all need to celebrate the popular
> > culture ?
> > > >
> > > > love and eid mubarak once again
> > > >
> > > > is
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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